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ah an educated discussion, the son of the renowned t.h. huxley. i wish i had some soma.

mosscarter wrote:ah an educated discussion, the son of the renowned t.h. huxley. i wish i had some soma.

There looks to be some good recipies for it on this thread~

Texas Vike wrote:
I can't think of any better lines to describe the discourse on this board lately!

Hadn't realized that Morrison appropriated these lines into his lyrics, though it doesn't surprise me. Heard some lesser known Doors tunes the other night and it reminded me of how much I like them, especially their songs that haven't been played to death.

The film director Jim Jarmusch also incorporated this poem into his psychotic indie flick "Dead Man" (starring Johnny Depp as "William Blake"). Great movie if you can roll with Jarmusch's unconventional (in some ways anti-Hollywood) tendencies.

I always think of that movie when Blake comes up.


Didn't know that stuff about The Doors~

Mothman wrote: I recognized it from a Doors song hehe , lots of Jims lyrics were quotes and references to classic lit !

Yes, if I remember correctly, the band's name comes from a quote by Aldous Huxley about the "doors of perception".

Do you remember which Doors song contains the Blake quote?[/quote]
I believe the song was End Of The Line it was on a greatest hits album from around 1980 , The Doors were named from a blake line from the Doors Of Perception that huxley used also , the line was " WHEN THE DOORS OF PERCEPTION ARE CLEANSED MAN WILL SEE THINGS AS THEY TRULEY ARE , INFINITE !"

Boon wrote:Sometimes during night games, I like to cover myself in vaseline and pretend i'm a slug, cause I can

man......that ain't right

Boon wrote:Sometimes during night games, I like to cover myself in vaseline and pretend i'm a slug, cause I can

That caused an actual spit take, Boon.

I hope you use some food coloring so you leave a nice purple, Vikings-inspired slime trail behind you.

QB play realized all of the star's fears
And they watered astro-turf with their tears
Did Odin Smile His Work To See
Did He Make Ponder And AD?

I make a pact with you, Gary Anderson -
I have detested you long enough.
I come to you as a grown child
Who has had a pig-headed father;
I am old enough now to make friends.
It was you that broke the new wood,
Now is a time for carving.
We have one sap and one root -
Let there be commerce between us.

Hunter Morrow wrote:QB play realized all of the star's fears
And they watered astro-turf with their tears
Did Odin Smile His Work To See
Did He Make Ponder And AD?

I make a pact with you, Gary Anderson -
I have detested you long enough.
I come to you as a grown child
Who has had a pig-headed father;
I am old enough now to make friends.
It was you that broke the new wood,
Now is a time for carving.
We have one sap and one root -
Let there be commerce between us.

Very nice.

Gary Anderson. Two words that spell trauma for many of us- like a collective Achilles' heel.

I like the wood carving metaphor. After 09 debacle the only thing I could do to channel the anger was assemble furniture; somehow the task eased the pain of that DAMNED interception!

Texas Vike wrote:I like the wood carving metaphor. After 09 debacle the only thing I could do to channel the anger was assemble furniture; somehow the task eased the pain of that DAMNED interception!

It's funny, as a little kid, I cried when the Vikes lost their first Super Bowl and as I was growing up and my dreams of a Vikes Super Bowl win were dashed again and again throughout the '70s, I was crushed each time. When the Vikes got to the brink of the Super Bowl in the '80s only to lose to the Redskins, all of that childhood pain came rushing back to me again. It was even worse in '98 when their fantastic offense and 15-1 record had me believing it was finally going to be their year. When they lost that championship, I was so upset I couldn't even look. I listened to Morten Andersen's winning FG from another room and when it was good, I asked my girlfriend to turn off the TV and we went to the see a movie.

However, for me, that's where the championship pain ends and it's not because I don't care. I was really excited when the Vikes got back to the NFC championship game in 2000 but the game turned into a joke so quickly that I couldn't even get upset about it. I was disgusted but not upset.

In 2009, I just never believed a Childress-coached team with Favre at QB could get to the Super Bowl and as people here know, I was not a Favre fan. I watched the game and cheered for the Vikes. For the briefest of moments I even thought I was wrong and they were going to line up. kick a game-winning FG and go to the Super Bowl. One play later, Favre threw his infamous pick and to my surprise, I laughed. The situation just seemed too absurd to me to get upset and I suspect my steadfast belief that Childress and Favre would blow it shielded me from getting too emotionally involved.

Hopefully, when the Vikes to get to another NFCC game they'll win it and go on to win the Super Bowl. It would be nice to have memories of a Super Bowl win to think about instead of the memories of all those frustrating losses. For those of you too young to have experienced those Super Bowl seasons in the late '60s and '70s, trust me when I say that winning the conference championship and getting to the Super Bowl feels great... every time. It would just feel a lot better to win the big game too.

Mothman wrote: It's funny, as a little kid, I cried when the Vikes lost their first Super Bowl and as I was growing up and my dreams of a Vikes Super Bowl win were dashed again and again throughout the '70s, I was crushed each time. When the Vikes got to the brink of the Super Bowl in the '80s only to lose to the Redskins, all of that childhood pain came rushing back to me again. It was even worse in '98 when their fantastic offense and 15-1 record had me believing it was finally going to be their year. When they lost that championship, I was so upset I couldn't even look. I listened to Morten Andersen's winning FG from another room and when it was good, I asked my girlfriend to turn off the TV and we went to the see a movie.

However, for me, that's where the championship pain ends and it's not because I don't care. I was really excited when the Vikes got back to the NFC championship game in 2000 but the game turned into a joke so quickly that I couldn't even get upset about it. I was disgusted but not upset.

In 2009, I just never believed a Childress-coached team with Favre at QB could get to the Super Bowl and as people here know, I was not a Favre fan. I watched the game and cheered for the Vikes. For the briefest of moments I even thought I was wrong and they were going to line up. kick a game-winning FG and go to the Super Bowl. One play later, Favre threw his infamous pick and to my surprise, I laughed. The situation just seemed too absurd to me to get upset and I suspect my steadfast belief that Childress and Favre would blow it shielded me from getting too emotionally involved.

Hopefully, when the Vikes to get to another NFCC game they'll win it and go on to win the Super Bowl. It would be nice to have memories of a Super Bowl win to think about instead of the memories of all those frustrating losses. For those of you too young to have experienced those Super Bowl seasons in the late '60s and '70s, trust me when I say that winning the conference championship and getting to the Super Bowl feels great... every time. It would just feel a lot better to win the big game too.

Imagine if back in the 70's you'd had this board to vent?! Wow. That would be a different Mothman. Mini-Moth would not be as level headed and rational as the version we know now!

What really made me feel sick in 09 was that my brothers and I were going to fly in from very distant points to watch the Super Bowl together. It would have been really sweet since we're tight despite living thousands of miles away and our earliest photo together is of us in Vikings pajamas.

Like you, I don't get as angry as I used to when they let me down now.

lolling at the' mini-moth concept~

Texas Vike wrote:Imagine if back in the 70's you'd had this board to vent?! Wow. That would be a different Mothman. Mini-Moth would not be as level headed and rational as the version we know now!

No, Mini-Moth was far less level-headed and far more emotional. Back then, a Vikings loss could sometimes put me in a bad mood for a week.

What really made me feel sick in 09 was that my brothers and I were going to fly in from very distant points to watch the Super Bowl together. It would have been really sweet since we're tight despite living thousands of miles away and our earliest photo together is of us in Vikings pajamas.

I can see why that would be a big disappointment. Hopefully, the Vikes will give you guys a good excuse to do that soon.

Your comment speaks to why football has significance beyond just the dollars and cents it generates and the entertainment it provides. It always bugs me when stadium debates come up and there are people who act as if football's only value is in the money it generates. The truth is, it has value to a community. Friends and families bond and form lasting memories over their experiences watching the games and the enthusiasm they share for a team.

Like you, I don't get as angry as I used to when they let me down now.

Which isn't to say we don't still get angry.

Mothman wrote: No, Mini-Moth was far less level-headed and far more emotional. Back then, a Vikings loss could sometimes put me in a bad mood for a week.
I can see why that would be a big disappointment. Hopefully, the Vikes will give you guys a good excuse to do that soon.

Your comment speaks to why football has significance beyond just the dollars and cents it generates and the entertainment it provides. It always bugs me when stadium debates come up and there are people who act as if football's only value is in the money it generates. The truth is, it has value to a community. Friends and families bond and form lasting memories over their experiences watching the games and the enthusiasm they share for a team.
Which isn't to say we don't still get angry.

I'm too lazy to figure out how to comment on separate parts of your post... but 1) yes, you're right that the "human factor" of what having an NFL team offers a community is easy to overlook. I understand the part of the community that did not grow up with professional sports as part of the glue that bonded their friendships/families, and certainly other endeavors (fine arts, theater, state parks/outdoor recreation, etc. etc.) are important too, but the divisiveness on public funding issues can be annoying.

2) We certainly still get angry. But I used to go ballistic and, just like you, be angry all week after a loss. Life's a bit more nuanced now, and the ship isn't quite so topsy turvy as it was in the old days! Perhaps that's the "luxury" of being young... your universe amounts to the outcome of a weekly football game. No bills to pay, no (serious) deadlines to meet, no list of things to do (not one of any real significance anyways), etc. etc.

Texas Vike wrote: Very nice.

Gary Anderson. Two words that spell trauma for many of us- like a collective Achilles' heel.

I like the wood carving metaphor. After 09 debacle the only thing I could do to channel the anger was assemble furniture; somehow the task eased the pain of that DAMNED interception!

I wish I could take credit but the first part is a parody of a Blake poem, Tyger Tyger I believe and the second is Ezra Pound's The Pact but I replaced "Walt Whitman" with Gary Anderson. I wish I'd wrote it. Pretty darn good.

Gary F. Anderson. I never leave out his middle name.