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Romo's my dude. Would've loved to see him in Purple, but after Favre, I think we've ran our course on gunslingers for the time being. So long as we have the best back in football, I'm content with that "game-manager" type that I feel like Ponder can be.

Purple bruise wrote: You mean the same Brees, Big Ben and even Pro Bowl Player Romo that did not make the play-offs last year. How is Johnsons team (Titans) And Charles team (KC) doing with those great running backs It might take a little more than great running backs to make a great QB and vice versa.

Are you really trying to say it was because of Ponders play, the Vikings made the playoffs last year?

mosscarter wrote:lets face it, the vikings wound up 10-6 because peterson ran for 2,000 yards. in the end, that goes to show you how downright abysmal our passing attack was. how many td's do you think brees, rodgers, manning, even big ben, flacco would have had if peterson was in their backfield. brees might have thrown 55.

1998 Davis ran for 2k. Elway (John freaking Elway) managed to record 22 td's. Only so many plays in a game. Your a running team or your a passing team, your rarely both, because to be great you have to commit to one or the other.

PurpleKoolaid wrote: Are you really trying to say it was because of Ponders play, the Vikings made the playoffs last year?

No bright boy, the logic is that whenever the Vikes lose it is because of Ponder and when they win, Ponder has nothing to do with it

SLCVikefan wrote: 1998 Davis ran for 2k. Elway (John freaking Elway) managed to record 22 td's. Only so many plays in a game. Your a running team or your a passing team, your rarely both, because to be great you have to commit to one or the other.

You fail to mention a few things. One being Elways age he was 38 and at the end of his career, would have been different if he was younger. Two: Elway averaged 220 ypg while Ponder average 173. Three: the biggest difference, Ponder 300-483 attempt to completion ration Elway 201-356, that's right he had a hole 127 less attempts and still had 5 more tds (I am 90% sure Elway missed three games that year also). So lets say Elway during the 98 season had as many attempts as ponder you would of been looking at a 30td season by a 38 year old man at the end of his career. Now what makes you think a QB as listed above wouldn't explode with a 2000 yard rusher?

NFL.com Power ranking has them listed at #11.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... elow-49ers

Green Bay #8, Vikings #11, Bears #13 ... pretty tough division there.

allday1991 wrote:

would have been different if he was younger.[/quote]

There is no evidence to support that. If there was I'm sure you would have brought it up.

[/quote] Two: Elway averaged 220 ypg while Ponder average 173. Three: the biggest difference, Ponder 300-483 attempt to completion ration Elway 201-356, that's right he had a hole 127 less attempts and still had 5 more tds (I am 90% sure Elway missed three games that year also). So lets say Elway during the 98 season had as many attempts as ponder you would of been looking at a 30td season by a 38 year old man at the end of his career. Now what makes you think a QB as listed above wouldn't explode with a 2000 yard rusher? [/quote]

Because it's never happened. No ones even come close to having a 2k yard rusher and a 50 TD passer.
What Adrian did was awesome, but lets not act like it's never been done and quite possibly done better, twice.

SLCVikefan wrote:
Because it's never happened. No ones even come close to having a 2k yard rusher and a 50 TD passer.
What Adrian did was awesome, but lets not act like it's never been done and quite possibly done better, twice.

You tell me what team has ever had a A.p like running back while having a Brees type QB, never? 50 tds isn't realistic even with a team that passes on every play. However I grantee the qbs listed would have no problem putting up 30 plus tds with a 2000 yard rusher.

allday1991 wrote: You tell me what team has ever had a A.p like running back while having a Brees type QB, never? 50 tds isn't realistic even with a team that passes on every play. However I grantee the qbs listed would have no problem putting up 30 plus tds with a 2000 yard rusher.

Well, in fantasy land, that would be awesome. We should just go get one. Simple as that, because they fall out of trees and you just pick them up off the ground.
The original number was 55 not 30. 25 more than 30. Nearly double the number your arguing. 30 an number that no one has ever come close to with a 2k rusher. It hasn't happened and it'll never happen in a 16 game season.

allday1991 wrote:You tell me what team has ever had a A.p like running back while having a Brees type QB, never? 50 tds isn't realistic even with a team that passes on every play. However I grantee the qbs listed would have no problem putting up 30 plus tds with a 2000 yard rusher.

Well since they're all established veterans with Super Bowl rings it's probably a safe bet they would have done better than a first year starter but that's not exactly a fair comparison, is it? Ponder was a second year QB in 2012! None of the QBs mentioned above were throwing for 30+ TDs in their second seasons either.

I'd say it's far from a certainty that those QBs would all have topped 30 TDs last year in an offense that attempted more runs than passes and the idea that Brees might have thrown 55 TDs to the 2012 Vikings receiving corps is hilarious. Of course, if the Vikings had a well-established veteran QB maybe the ratio of runs to passes would have been different and Peterson wouldn't have gained 200 yards rushing in the first place.

For what it's worth, Peyton Manning has thrown for 30 TDs 7 times in his 14 year career and only once with fewer than 515 attempts (only twice with fewer than 550).

Roethlisberger has had one 30+ TD season his entire career.

Rodgers has surpassed 30 TDs 3 times in 5 years as a starter, only once with a 1000 yard rusher in the backfield (he threw 30 TDs in 2009).

Brees has topped 30 TDs in a season 5 times, all in the last 5 years of his 12 year career. In all but one of those seasons he threw well over 600 passes.

SLCVikefan wrote:Well, in fantasy land, that would be awesome. We should just go get one. Simple as that, because they fall out of trees and you just pick them up off the ground.

They're like cherries! Just grab a ripe one and win a Super Bowl.

Haha! Didn't mean to take it back to the fruit analogy.
But while your at it, could you pick up a Megatron too. Thanks!

Mothman wrote: Well since they're all established veterans with Super Bowl rings it's probably a safe bet they would have done better than a first year starter but that's not exactly a fair comparison, is it? Ponder was a second year QB in 2012! None of the QBs mentioned above were throwing for 30+ TDs in their second seasons either.

I'd say it's far from a certainty that those QBs would all have topped 30 TDs last year in an offense that attempted more runs than passes and the idea that Brees might have thrown 55 TDs to the 2012 Vikings receiving corps is hilarious. Of course, if the Vikings had a well-established veteran QB maybe the ratio of runs to passes would have been different and Peterson wouldn't have gained 200 yards rushing in the first place.

For what it's worth, Peyton Manning has thrown for 30 TDs 7 times in his 14 year career and only once with fewer than 515 attempts (only twice with fewer than 550).

Roethlisberger has had one 30+ TD season his entire career.

Rodgers has surpassed 30 TDs 3 times in 5 years as a starter, only once with a 1000 yard rusher in the backfield (he threw 30 TDs in 2009).

Brees has topped 30 TDs in a season 5 times, all in the last 5 years of his 12 year career. In all but one of those seasons he threw well over 600 passes.

Anyone taking his 55 td seriously needs to look up sarcasm I am sure it was intended.
Peyton Manning has never really had a good franchise HB, but more simply put with a.p in the back field you get single coverage, just imagine Peyton manning getting as much single coverage as ponder did in 2012, I believe with that much single coverage manning throws 30tds in 480 attempts 70% of the time.
Even if the ratio of run to passes is different the two sides would play off each other, Manning would see less heavy coverage and a.p wouldn't be stacked up with 8 people in the box every time. Resulting in bigger plays with less attempts.

SLCVikefan wrote:Haha! Didn't mean to take it back to the fruit analogy.
But while your at it, could you pick up a Megatron too. Thanks!

Somehow, it always comes back to fruit.

Speaking of that (and with apologies to female forum members), did you see the melons on that cheerleader?

SLCVikefan wrote:
Well, in fantasy land, that would be awesome. We should just go get one. Simple as that, because they fall out of trees and you just pick them up off the ground.
The original number was 55 not 30. 25 more than 30. Nearly double the number your arguing. 30 an number that no one has ever come close to with a 2k rusher. It hasn't happened and it'll never happen in a 16 game season.

How can you say never? a 38 year old Elway at the end of his career had 22 in 13 games with a 2k rusher. Assuming he played all 16 well still averaging two tds a game that's 28 tds in a full season. Now a prime Peyton manning or Brady you don't think can complete two more tds? You can go on and say fantasy land all you want, but I wouldn't say never.