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Juice wrote: The Jags were ranked #11 in team defense. They were ranked #8 in passing defense and ranked #9 in rushing defense.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/y ... 11/opp.htm

#6 according to NFL.com I'll take their word over profootball
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Juice wrote:The Jags were ranked #11 in team defense. They were ranked #8 in passing defense and ranked #9 in rushing defense.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/y ... 11/opp.htm

Doc Holliday904 wrote:#6 according to NFL.com I'll take their word over profootball

You two are talking about different rankings. I posted all of this info earlier in the thread!

The Jaguars were 6th in total yards allowed and 11th in points allowed so depending on what making you're looking at, #6 and #11 are both correct.

ponder vs gabbert !

if their defense was that good their offense or special teams must have really been terrible to lose that many games

Mothman wrote:You two are talking about different rankings. I posted all of this info earlier in the thread!

The Jaguars were 6th in total yards allowed and 11th in points allowed so depending on what making you're looking at, #6 and #11 are both correct.

Oops, You're right. Also, I must have accidently skipped over your post until you mentioned it, sorry about that.

I feel that those numbers are a little misleading and don't really paint the whole picture of a defense. The Jaguars were just above league average in INT's, fumble recoveries and below league average in sacks. Yes, they looked great in points allowed and yards allowed but when you look at some of the offenses they faced, it raises some questions.

Yards: Jets (25), Browns (29), Colts x2 (30)
Scoring: Titans x2 (22) , Bucs (27), Colts x2 (28), Browns (30)

Anyway, we'll find out soon enough.

jackal wrote:if their defense was that good their offense or special teams must have really been terrible to lose that many games

Yes, you're right. The Jags were last in total yards offensively last season, despite MJD's heroics.

Juice wrote: Oops, You're right. Also, I must have accidently skipped over your post until you mentioned it, sorry about that.

No need to apologize...

I feel that those numbers are a little misleading and don't really paint the whole picture of a defense. The Jaguars were just above league average in INT's, fumble recoveries and below league average in sacks. Yes, they looked great in points allowed and yards allowed but when you look at some of the offenses they faced, it raises some questions.

I don't know if those rankings are exactly misleading but a few stats like that never paint a complete picture. However, when you look at their defensive stats as a whole, it doesn't exactly paint the picture of a soft defense either...

This is a new season so who knows how they'll play? As you said, we'll find out soon enough.

Jim

Vikings-14
Jaguars-10

Low scoring game but I see us taking it. The Jaguars won't have MJD and our offense will have enough to get past the Jax D, even if AP doesn't play

I see this as a winnable game. I also see it as being lose-able. In order for the Vikings to come out victorious the offense has to click from the start. When we have the lead in the second half the coaching staff can't coach "to not lose". We have to stay aggressive. Our defense will tire very quickly if we keep going 3 and out. Even if AD plays I don't foresee him getting more than 10 carries, if that. This game will be in Ponder's hands. He will have to step up and make plays. If these things happen I can see the team coming away with its first W of the season. With all that said I predict the Vikings will win. Our opening drive will end with a TD pass to Rudolph. Everyone on the board will be ecstatic and then the next few (I'll say 4) drives will result in 0 points and everyone will want Ponder benched and coach fired.

Vikings - 17
Jaguars - 6

Jaguars 21
Vikings 24

Purple Kool Aid Time



Vikings 24 Jags 13

Jarad Allen is going to go nuts on Gabbert and we get a pick six off a pressure thrown mistake

2.5 Sack game for Allen 6 sacks all together

Realistically the Jaguars are much better than the Vikings especially without Peterson. But I will still say it's a close game to avoid any confrontation.

Now its our time wrote:Vikings-14
Jaguars-10

Low scoring game but I see us taking it. The Jaguars won't have MJD and our offense will have enough to get past the Jax D, even if AP doesn't play

We do have MJD and the Vikings offense is near last in the league whilst our defense is in the top 10. Homerism is fun isn't it.

RandomJagsFan wrote:We do have MJD

Finally. He'll get a few touches but it's not like he's going to be toting the rock 20-30 times. He won't be your starter. But he's still dangerous when he touches the ball. Sounds like another back I'm thinking of who just might, coincidentally, get a few carries tonight as well.

and the Vikings offense is near last in the league

I forgot the powerhouse that is Blaine Gabbert. And, actually, I'm pretty sure our offense is tied for first...with the rest of the league. It's a new season. Which is a very good thing for both of our teams. I think our offense could surprise some this season, especially in the mid to late portion of the season.

whilst our defense is in the top 10. Homerism is fun isn't it.

Yep. You had a good defense last season. I'm excited to see how ours has improved with the return of some all-stars (Kevin Williams, Jared Allen) and return of some guys coming off injury/off-field issues (Winfield, Cook) and new guys like Harrison Smith. Looking forward to a good game.

RandomJagsFan wrote:We do have MJD and the Vikings offense is near last in the league whilst our defense is in the top 10. Homerism is fun isn't it.

That wasn't even true last year. They finished 18th in the league in total offense (19th in scoring).

This preseason (which is admittedly meaningless) the Vikings offense is ranked 3rd and as dead_poet pointed out, it's a new season so no team's offense has an official regular season ranking yet.

Apparently, "homerism" isn't as much fun as making up your own stats...

By the way, unlike the Vikings, the Jaguars actually ranked last in the league in total yards in 2011 (not "near last"... last) and they weren't much better in scoring (#28). That's not exactly a point their favor if we makes assumptions about this season based on last year's stats, is it?

I'm giving you a hard time but I see this as a "pick 'em" game. Either team could win and I think both will give it everything they have because they'll be eager to erase the pain they suffered last year and start this season off right.

Jim