Kenny Chesney and Keith Urban

Krulik · Post by **Krulik** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:20 pm

TrenchGoon wrote: Thats funny, I kinda see myself in that old guy...except I would never say "big and rich" play rock and roll...that would be a slap in the face to that genre!
innocuous, uninteresting, boring, gutless..."pop" is probably the best way to describe what they do.

Haha, well I saw Big n Rich live at my fair and well, it was one damn good time. They put on a good show.

Krulik · Post by **Krulik** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:22 pm

But hey, you're a tough critic.

Maybe you like Blake Shelton, try
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8kD3_xxiVyA

I bet you like Brooks and Dunn
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MnXppT9jOeg

Red dirt road is one of my all time favorite songs

TrenchGoon · Post by **TrenchGoon** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:43 pm

TrenchGoon · Post by **TrenchGoon** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:49 pm

Krulik wrote:But hey, you're a tough critic.

Maybe you like Blake Shelton, try
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8kD3_xxiVyA

I bet you like Brooks and Dunn
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MnXppT9jOeg

Red dirt road is one of my all time favorite songs

oh boy...

it just sounds so contrived to me. Its inauthentic and 2 dimensional. I can't hear the soul or truth in that music.

Krulik · Post by **Krulik** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:38 pm

On a side note, at some of the concerts I've been to. Tim McGraw did a amazingly powerful cover of The Ride.

And Brad Paisley did a upbeat cover of Folsom Prison Blues to go out on. Both were very cool.

Demi · Post by **Demi** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:01 pm

TrenchGoon wrote: oh boy...

it just sounds so contrived to me. Its inauthentic and 2 dimensional. I can't hear the soul or truth in that music.

Agree completely. It's the same as most music. It's been commercialized. It's about a hit single you can market to as many people as possibly. The radio play, etc. It's not good music, it's just catchy music.

Krulik · Post by **Krulik** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:07 pm

TrenchGoon wrote: oh boy...

it just sounds so contrived to me. Its inauthentic and 2 dimensional. I can't hear the soul or truth in that music.

Red Dirt Road is all about truth and soul.

Krulik · Post by **Krulik** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:49 pm

I like Dwight but I think you left out my favorite song/video of his.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HvC-zsocAc

TrenchGoon · Post by **TrenchGoon** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:20 pm

Krulik wrote:
Red Dirt Road is all about truth and soul.

Its interesting that we can react so differently to it. I just dont feel anything with that song.

Krulik · Post by **Krulik** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:09 pm

Did you watch Cash's Hurt or God Will Cut You Down

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e0EQlQXoEo

Krulik · Post by **Krulik** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:24 pm

A few comments.
I haven't watched them all yet but my favorite so far is Sunday Morning Coming Down. The duet with Johnny is better I think.

Oh, and whats up with Merle's hat?

Lol, and King of the Road- ultra creepy. And it kind of reminded me of Wayne Newton for some reason.

TrenchGoon · Post by **TrenchGoon** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:31 pm

Krulik wrote:A few comments.
I haven't watched them all yet but my favorite so far is Sunday Morning Coming Down. The duet with Johnny is better I think.

Oh, and whats up with Merle's hat?

Lol, and King of the Road- ultra creepy. And it kind of reminded me of Wayne Newton for some reason.

Sunday Morning coming down is a good one. I think the version with all the "hall of famers" is pretty funny. Picking on George Jones, getting Roger Miller laughing. The one with Johnny gives you a better idea of the song though.

Who cares about Merle's hat? The song is good right?

I agree its a pretty oddball video for king of the road, but its a great song by a one of a kind country music song writer and phraser of lyrics. Roger Miller is an all time great and a darn funny man. In Engine #9, you can hear the genius in his phrasing. Even Billie never did it better.

I have seen those Cash videos, the songs are pretty good. His voice did gain an incredible resonance as he aged, but I would not rank them among his all-time best.

Krulik · Post by **Krulik** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:11 pm

The CMT awards are on tonight, pretty much like the Oscars of Country Music. You might like some of it, might hate some of it. All the biggest stars are performing.

You can see how country music has evolved. I agree that the new genre is different. I think it has to do with appealing to a wider audience. Concerts have changed dramatically. That has a lot to do with it. These guys fill up full football stadiums and have become more of a huge drunken party, which I'm totally fine with. Johnny Cash is one of a kind, he started it all, and every single person in country music has been influenced by him. I'm not sure who is getting the "Johnny Cash Visionary Award" tonight. Last year it was Chris Gustafson and two years ago it was Reba McEntire.

Billy Ray Cyrus pretty much defined the evolution of country music. From a full out mullet in Achy Breaky Heart to designer highlights and a spot in a Disney channel kids t.v. show with his daughter. Him and his daughter "Hannah Montana" are hosting tonight btw.

Krulik · Post by **Krulik** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:44 pm

TrenchGoon wrote: Thats funny, I kinda see myself in that old guy...except I would never say "big and rich" play rock and roll...that would be a slap in the face to that genre!
innocuous, uninteresting, boring, gutless..."pop" is probably the best way to describe what they do.

I must have missed this, but gutless? Big and Rich? I strongly strongly disagree with that assessment.

TrenchGoon · Post by **TrenchGoon** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:56 pm

Krulik wrote:The CMT awards are on tonight, pretty much like the Oscars of Country Music. You might like some of it, might hate some of it. All the biggest stars are performing.

You can see how country music has evolved. I agree that the new genre is different. I think it has to do with appealing to a wider audience. Concerts have changed dramatically. That has a lot to do with it. These guys fill up full football stadiums and have become more of a huge drunken party, which I'm totally fine with. Johnny Cash is one of a kind, he started it all, and every single person in country music has been influenced by him. I'm not sure who is getting the "Johnny Cash Visionary Award" tonight. Last year it was Chris Gustafson and two years ago it was Reba McEntire.

Billy Ray Cyrus pretty much defined the evolution of country music. From a full out mullet in Achy Breaky Heart to designer highlights and a spot in a Disney channel kids t.v. show with his daughter. Him and his daughter "Hannah Montana" are hosting tonight btw.

Thanks for the heads up. I don't have cable though, so I'll be passing on it. You'll have to update me on what happens. Because I can't help it, here are a few quick comments.

First, I agree country music has evolved into something with a wider appeal...Pop music, which has been my contention throughout this thread.

Cash was great. There were also a lot of other greats before him and at the same time, though they currently recieve little attention. Unfortunately (in my opinion) he's now become trendy (it won't last, thank god). I can't recall the number of people who I've heard say things like, "I don't like country music, but I like Johnny Cash". If one likes Johnny Cash, there is some other country music they would like too.

I cannot disagree more with your assertion that Billy Ray Cyrus defined the transformation of country music. Billy Ray Cyrus was pop music from the start. That he had a mullett is insignificant. Once again, my original contention in this thread was that country music has become "pop with cowboy hat", though "pop with mullett" works just as well when you are talking about Billy Ray. The whole thing is more about cultivating an image of what is country, and sticking it in music videos, up on stage, or on posters, than it is about the characteristics that have run through real country music. Hippies and Junkies like Gram Parsons and Townes Van Zandt, or even Keith Richards played more country music with their little fingers than Billy Ray will ever play in his life. And of course that says nothing of real classics like (to name a few) Hank Williams, Hank Locklin, Hank Snow, Hank Thompson, Ernest Tubb or perhaps my favorite, Bob Wills.

Well, I've said my peace.

Let me know if I miss something in particular that you really think I should see and I'll try to find it online.