StumpHunter wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:25 am
I posted the stats that all point to Bradford sucking. Clearly he was a talented guy or he wouldn't have been drafter #1 overall, but that talent did not amount to him being a good QB. For his entire career, including here, he was a failure as a starter.
Not sure how 20 TDs, 5 INTs and 3800+ yards in 15 games is considered a "failure". No less he did that without an offseason with this team.
What exactly is the QB responsible for, if you can't even hold them accountable for the offense sucking? Forget winning games, what about just scoring points? The defense was great last year and we didn't make the playoffs because the offense failed to score.
Again this is the point you've been missing all along. What is the RB responsible for? What is the OL responsible for? Most importantly, what is the offensive coordinator responsible for? They are ALL responsible for the offense being successful. And last year, the RBs were not used, the OL was terrible and (most importantly) the OC was horrendous. You dont just have a good offense because you have a good QB. How many top QBs over the years have had average to below average offenses? Plenty. Green Bay, Philly, Houston and Seattle this past year. Do you realize how many offenses have been top 10 in the NFL with below average QBs over the years? Plenty. In 2017, we were one of them. So was Jacksonville. Like I said before, QB obviously has a play in the matter but it's not JUST the QB. It's just there are so many factors and things that need to fall into place in order to have that success. And it all starts with our offensive coordinator who was god awful.
In the end both Bradford and Cousins were brought in for a hefty price (Bradford's price being significantly higher) to give us a chance to win the Super Bowl. Not put up high completion percentages, but win. Bradford failed miserably at it, Cousins is 0 for 1 so far. Cousins has the opportunity to do better and stranger things have happened in the NFL than a QB of Cousins caliber winning it all, but so far his signing has been a failure.
Clearly they were brought in to win. I get that. If you're a owner/GM/coach and you arent bringing guys in to win, you should be fired. But the point is, neither Bradford or Cousins can do it alone and come in and be some savior when what's around them is failing. What dont you get about that? You dont just plug a QB into an offense and say, "alright man, it's all you everyone else just tag along". Look at the teams that have won SBs over time. They are great TEAMS. They dont all have good QBs or bad QBs. They are just a good TEAM and a WELL-COACHED TEAM. They dont have crap offensive coordinators, they dont have terrible offensive lines, they dont have non-existent run games, etc. They have BALANCE all around and on both sides of the ball. We didnt have that this year or in 2016 (especially when Norv randomly left). Kirk Cousins and Sam Bradford can do their part just as good as a lot of QBs out there but they also need everyone else to do their part too. Yeah sure, there were a couple games Bradford or Cousins played bad. But that's not why they werent in the playoffs. We made the playoffs in 2015 but I could rattle off PLENTY of bad games by Teddy. He was just lucky enough to be saved by a good defense and Adrian Peterson.
Teddy had room for error because AP would always save him. Cousins had zero room for error because his OC wouldnt run the ball. Nobody was saving Kirk Cousins. Bradford had no room for error because he had Matt Asiata/Jerick McKinnon as a backfield. Nobody was saving Sam Bradford. IMO, both Cousins and Bradford were 10 times the passer Teddy was. But Teddy had a saving grace on offense. Cousins and Bradford didnt. You cant just target Thielen and Diggs all game. Eventually teams are going to figure it out. And that's exactly what happened from the New England game forward. Not one of them passed 100 yards from week 13 (NE) until seasons end. Heck, neither of them even crossed 80 yards. Neither of those QBs had a scapegoat like Teddy did. Look at the games we won in 2015 and what AP did in those games. And then look at the games we lost and look what AP did. It's night and day
In 2016 with Bradford and 2018 with Cousins, those two years might have been the most unbalanced our offense has ever been. I mean even 2015 I suppose where AP was doing all the work. But look at the one year we had an OC that DID find a way to balance an offense....2017 with Pat Shurmur. It was NOT because Case Keenum was a good QB. Case was riding the luck train but it was a combination of what? A good defense, a good OC, a good passing game, a good running game, a good receiving core, an improved OL, etc. A lot of things went RIGHT that year. Things did not go right in 2016 and 2018 and it was NOT solely because of Kirk Cousins or Sam Bradford.
