The Teddy Bridgewater Thread

[808vikingsfan]

WOW! I knew we were bad just via the sniff test and my eyeballs...I didnt dream that we were the absolute worst. How pitiful.
Until we get this fixed there is no way to really assess TB or the WR corps.....it does reinforce the fact that AP is a football God. Imagine his career if he had a real OL ......

Grain of salt. Just to show how PFF rankings can be.

#2 Lynch: 111 carries, 417 yds, 3.8 YPC, 3 TD, 13 catches, 80 yds, 0 fumbles
#16 A.P.: 237 carries, 1164 yds, 4.9 YPC, 8 TD, 23 catches 180 yds, 6 fumbles

[dead_poet]

Grain of salt. Just to show how PFF rankings can be.

According to PFF, AD is ranked so low because of his pass-blocking, receiving and fumbles which take away from his rushing prowess.

[808vikingsfan]

According to PFF, AD is ranked so low because of his pass-blocking, receiving and fumbles which take away from his rushing prowess.

Out of the 6 fumbles, he's only lost 2. How much weight can you put on his blocking with the few opportunities he's had. Curious to see how they grade pass blocking. I know he had the one big drop last week but I don't remember him dropping many balls. Peterson has been targeted 28 times with 23 catches. Lynch has been targeted 21 times with 13 catches. Still doesn't seem right.


Anyway, sorry for going off topic. Let's get back to the inconsistencies of Bridgewater.

[dead_poet]

Out of the 6 fumbles, he's only lost 2. How much weight can you put on his blocking with the few opportunities he's had. Curious to see how they grade pass blocking. I know he had the one big drop last week but I don't remember him dropping many balls. Peterson has been targeted 28 times with 23 catches. Lynch has been targeted 21 times with 13 catches. Still doesn't seem right.

FYI:

Additionally, many of the ways in which a running back impacts a game go unnoticed by spectators (e.g. pass protection), but are very important to an offense’s success. Therefore, while Adrian Peterson (77.8 ) has had a very productive comeback season in terms of yardage, leading the league in rushing, he has struggled as a pass blocker (44.1) and receiver (51.2). That, coupled with his league-leading six fumbles, has him further down the list (17th) than his yardage would suggest.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... g-week-13/

Anyway, sorry for going off topic. Let's get back to the inconsistencies of Bridgewater.

Back to Teddy!

[Raptorman]

According to PFF, AD is ranked so low because of his pass-blocking, receiving and fumbles which take away from his rushing prowess.

That's like taking points away from a QB because he can't kick the ball. I can see the pass blocking, but he has done ok with the receiving part for the most part. They just don't throw to him that often.

[mosscarter]

notice how the 3 teams right above the vikings have 3 quarterbacks have all put up numbers that dwarf bridgewaters. so, continue blaming the o-line and receivers all you want it is equally true we have a qb that isn't producing.

[fiestavike]

That's like taking points away from a QB because he can't kick the ball. I can see the pass blocking, but he has done ok with the receiving part for the most part. They just don't throw to him that often.

Every time he catches the ball he does that silly jump turn and just stands there and allows the defender to tackle him. He could be a real weapon in the pass game if he would just catch it and go.

[Mothman]

Vikings 'in good hands' with Teddy Bridgewater, says Warren Moon

Moon is big on the fact that the Vikings are winning with Bridgewater.

Teddy Bridgewater's passing stats aren't impressive, but Warren Moon says that's not the best way to judge an NFL quarterback.

"I think he can be a Pro Bowl guy," Moon said Wednesday. "A lot of making the Pro Bowl has to do with winning, and if you win and you have solid numbers, that's how you make Pro Bowls. We see (Detroit quarterback) Matthew Stafford and guys like that, they throw for 5,000 yards, but they're not really considered Pro Bowlers because their teams aren't winning. ... I think Teddy's going to be a solid quarterback in the league for a long time.

"The Vikings are in good hands."

"I don't think Teddy's ever going to be a guy who's going to control a game with his arm, but that's not what they're asking him to do right now, especially when you have (running back) Adrian Peterson behind you," said Moon, who ranks seventh all time in NFL passing with 49,325 yards, compiled with four teams from 1984-2000.

"You're going to be a manager of the game, kind of like (Seattle quarterback) Russell Wilson was in his first couple of years, a guy that manages the game, doesn't turn the ball over and makes enough big plays to make his team win, and (Bridgewater is) doing that," he said. "Adrian Peterson (30) isn't going to play forever. At some point, Teddy is going to have to throw the football more."

[Mothman]

A good article and an interesting comparison:

What Teddy Bridgewater can learn from Russell Wilson

[dead_poet]

A good article and an interesting comparison:

What Teddy Bridgewater can learn from Russell Wilson

Interesting comparison. Thanks for the link. I found the part below compelling, as was the TD:INT ratio bit. Wilson's escapability and making plays when doing so is elite.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Wilson completed 63.5 percent of his passes in his first 23 NFL starts, throwing for 4,607 yards, 37 touchdowns and 14 interceptions while being sacked 53 times and pressured on 34 percent of his dropbacks. Bridgewater, who made his 23rd career start on Sunday, has completed 64.9 percent of his passes in those games, throwing for 5,049 yards, 22 touchdowns and 19 interceptions while being sacked 67 times and pressured on 31.9 percent of his dropbacks.

[Mothman]

Interesting comparison. Thanks for the link. I found the part below compelling, as was the TD:INT ratio bit. Wilson's escapability and making plays when doing so is elite.

I found that compelling too. the TD:INt ratio stuff was very interesting. This jumped out at me:

In his first 23 starts, Bridgewater is 11-for-36 on balls he has thrown into the end zone, with 11 touchdowns and six interceptions. He has a QBR of 23.4 on those throws. Wilson, on the other hand, threw 21 touchdowns in his first 47 passes into the end zone in his first 23 starts, with no interceptions.

Wow. As you said, Wilson's elite when he's on the move and just from watching him, I'm guessing decent percentage of those plays were made on the move. I shouldn't guess though...

The article qualifies Bridgewater's numbers in that quote with the following:

Most of Bridgewater's end zone interceptions have been on longer shots -- he has actually thrown only two picks when the Vikings have been inside the red zone, and one of his end zone picks was on a Hail Mary against the Jets last year -- but for a team that's 28th in the league in touchdowns this season, taking better care of the football on throws into the end zone would help.

However, throwing into the end zone is clearly one of the areas where his game needs work. In reference to the WR/draft conversation going on in another thread, these stats may bolster arguments in favor of a big, skilled receiver.

[PurpleKoolaid]

Were these stats for Wilson's first 2 seasons (rookie and 2nd year) or did he start his rookie year?

What was Wilson's Oline like compared to our PoS line. Id find that very interesting...

[mondry]

Were these stats for Wilson's first 2 seasons (rookie and 2nd year) or did he start his rookie year?

What was Wilson's Oline like compared to our PoS line. Id find that very interesting...

Their O-line was very good his rookie year but it's almost as bad as ours this year, we are worst in the league they are 2nd worst in the league. They traded one of their best O-lineman for Jimmy Graham this offseason.

[PurpleKoolaid]

Their O-line was very good his rookie year but it's almost as bad as ours this year, we are worst in the league they are 2nd worst in the league. They traded one of their best O-lineman for Jimmy Graham this offseason.

I know their Oline isnt as good now as a few years ago, but its still better then ours. Ans wilsons first year, that Oline was great, as well as second year. Look at what Teddy has when comparing the 2.

[dead_poet]

There are also plays where he gets the ball out late

This is one of my biggest criticisms. It's a legit issue. Some of his passes have been just a split-second too late when they didn't need to be. And he doesn't have the gun to complete them when he doesn't pull the trigger quick enough. Often he has the right reads and goes through his progressions decently but the slight hesitation has made a difference.





He needs to be more decisive and confident in his receivers. I'm not getting that too much (the most with Diggs and to some extent recent Rudolph).

When he gets it out on time and sets his feet, he can be incredibly accurate. Below (same play, different angles): there's zero room for error on this pass.