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Glad to see you guys coming around!

Texas Vike wrote:I agree, great listen all around. Norv inspires confidence; his experience is just super obvious. Loved what he said about our QB situation being a strength and how coaching Patterson, a young guy w/ lots of potential, is what makes coaching after all these years so much fun. Being able to mold a young guy.

Yes, and emphasizing that young players actually do need time to learn, something that tends to get lost in the age of free agency, when people want to see rookies starting and contributing in a big way immediately.

mondry wrote:Glad to see you guys coming around!

Wise guy...

I've been excited about the choice of Turner as OC from the start. I've considered him one of the better playcallers and offensive coordinators in the league for a long time.

mondry wrote:Glad to see you guys coming around!

It would take a 5-0 start for me to come around to your numbers!

In case it's not clear: I've been happy with most moves the Vikes have made in the past year. Things are looking up, but hope springs eternal (especially this time of year) so I'm exercising some restraint.

Dirtyswabby wrote:Trent Dilfer comes across as pompous to be honest. He never threw for over 3000 yards in any given season, he has thrown more interceptions than TD's in his career, and he just happened to be in the right place at the right time with Baltimore. Seriously the guys career was freaking horrible. I just don't trust his insight on QB's.

Bridgewater a Prius? I wonder what his thoughts were on Aaron Rodgers (I know Dilfer was still in the league). Im sure he would have said something about Rodgers being a Prius too. I really do not like Dilfer.....Can you tell?

Yeah, he comes off as a bit arrogant, but when you really know what you're talking about, why provide timid or diplomatic answers? I also think judging someone's analytical skills based on their career performance is silly. Have you ever seen Emmitt Smith on TV? Or even take Marshall Faulk. They're not the greatest at providing insight. If you can get past the pomposity then it's easy to recognize he knows what he's talking about, in my opinion. I'm a former Q though, so it could also be that what he says registers more to me.

I like Colin Cowherd too and most think the same about him.

http://vikingsterritory.com/2014/analys ... #more-6385

A nice read on Ted - very in depth look at his strengths/weaknesses and how he fits with Turner's offensive philosophy/scheme.

Hey guys, new Member here. I am a Texans fan who migrated over here because I wanted to follow Bridgewater. The Texans biggest need by far was quarterback. So of course I studied every quarterback in the draft. I watched video, I mean a lot of video. I watched everything on Bridgewater and most everything on Manziel, Carr, Bortles plus some on Boyd, Mettenberg, McCarron, Garrapolo, Logan Thomas and even some kid from Wyoming. I even watched Famous Jameis and Mariota. And what I came away with is Bridgewater does possess those intangibles that separate him from all of those guys.

Yeah his athleticism isn't great but what stuck out for me is his poise under pressure. It's not like Bridgewater is head and shoulders above all the qb's. There are faster qb's and stronger armed QB's, there are QB's that are a little more accurate and bigger QB's but Teddy Bridgewater is at or near the top in almost all categories. In footwork, pocket presence, mobility accuracy, strength, decision making, fearlessness. That's what separates him from the rest.

What I use in analyzing QBs is to watch what they do in the brightest lights on the biggest stage. In lieu of that watch what they do in big games and then at the end of close games and then in 3rd down situations. Teddy steps up more than anyone in college in those situations.

That’s the thing he does better anyone is read the blitz and act under pressure. He is better than Bortles, Manziel Winston, Mariota, everyone and it's really not that close. He simply has more poise and better pocket presence and Teddy Bridgewater just seems to get better under pressure. He shines in the lights. Whether 3rd down coversions, 2 minute drills, conference important games, bowl games winning drives, when everything is on the line is when he puts his cape on.

I watched enough of TB and Manziel and Bortles etc. to know TB was who I wanted to take number 1 overall. But I didn’t stop there. I started looking at Luck's college days and comparing him to Bridgewater and yes of course Luck is all around better but Bridgewater still has that footwork and pocket presence that make it closer than you might think. And when you consider Luck's pedigree and all of his preparation and that he was older when he left college that gap really narrows. Just watch their last games in college and judge for yourself. But remember to look for those subtle nuances in footwork and pocket presence and handling blitzes and pressure.

That’s the other thing, I think Teddy Bridgewater has much more upside than most realize. Teddy Bridgewater was not groomed like many elite prep QB’s and then he went to a Louisville football program that wasn’t even on the map. And not to take anything away from Strong and Watson, but weren’t prepared to develop him the way Luck, Winston, Mariota got groomed. He is still very raw in many ways. Your guy Turner could see that but more importantly he could see this kid could be taught.

Do not underestimate Coach Turner. He stomped his hand down for a reason. He sees the same things I see. There are no guarantees but TB will be a very good to great QB in this league for many years. Yeah he had a bad pro day. But that is the best thing that could have happened for the Vikings.

So when let you guys jump in front of us and take Teddy I was so pissed. For a brief moment I thought we might get Clowney and Bridgewater. I have since learned the Texans had no intention of picking Bridgewater even if you guys didn't select him. Bridgewater puts fear in GM’s. Most of them don’t really know how to evaluate talent. Even your says he watched some film and went to 4 games. That’s nothing. I watched 22 games of TB and watched some as many as 5 times. You got to do that to truly see that this kid is special. Because what that shows you is what he does well he does again and again.

You guys are so lucky to have Coach Turner. He may not be a great head coach but he is a great quarterback coach. We are destined for sucktitude with that kind of player evaluation. Not saying Clowney won’t be good. He will but you win championships with quarterback and you guys got the best one by far in this draft. It’s a shame our weak #### GM was afraid to do what you guys did. TB and Clowney was a dream and TB and Barr might even be better.

frosted21 wrote:http://vikingsterritory.com/2014/analys ... #more-6385

A nice read on Ted - very in depth look at his strengths/weaknesses and how he fits with Turner's offensive philosophy/scheme.

I concur. Great, in-depth read. Will make you even more encouraged about TB.

TeddyViking wrote:Hey guys, new Member here. I am a Texans fan who migrated over here because I wanted to follow Bridgewater. The Texans biggest need by far was quarterback. So of course I studied every quarterback in the draft. I watched video, I mean a lot of video. I watched everything on Bridgewater and most everything on Manziel, Carr, Bortles plus some on Boyd, Mettenberg, McCarron, Garrapolo, Logan Thomas and even some kid from Wyoming. I even watched Famous Jameis and Mariota. And what I came away with is Bridgewater does possess those intangibles that separate him from all of those guys.

Yeah his athleticism isn't great but what stuck out for me is his poise under pressure. It's not like Bridgewater is head and shoulders above all the qb's. There are faster qb's and stronger armed QB's, there are QB's that are a little more accurate and bigger QB's but Teddy Bridgewater is at or near the top in almost all categories. In footwork, pocket presence, mobility accuracy, strength, decision making, fearlessness. That's what separates him from the rest.

What I use in analyzing QBs is to watch what they do in the brightest lights on the biggest stage. In lieu of that watch what they do in big games and then at the end of close games and then in 3rd down situations. Teddy steps up more than anyone in college in those situations.

That’s the thing he does better anyone is read the blitz and act under pressure. He is better than Bortles, Manziel Winston, Mariota, everyone and it's really not that close. He simply has more poise and better pocket presence and Teddy Bridgewater just seems to get better under pressure. He shines in the lights. Whether 3rd down coversions, 2 minute drills, conference important games, bowl games winning drives, when everything is on the line is when he puts his cape on.

I watched enough of TB and Manziel and Bortles etc. to know TB was who I wanted to take number 1 overall. But I didn’t stop there. I started looking at Luck's college days and comparing him to Bridgewater and yes of course Luck is all around better but Bridgewater still has that footwork and pocket presence that make it closer than you might think. And when you consider Luck's pedigree and all of his preparation and that he was older when he left college that gap really narrows. Just watch their last games in college and judge for yourself. But remember to look for those subtle nuances in footwork and pocket presence and handling blitzes and pressure.

That’s the other thing, I think Teddy Bridgewater has much more upside than most realize. Teddy Bridgewater was not groomed like many elite prep QB’s and then he went to a Louisville football program that wasn’t even on the map. And not to take anything away from Strong and Watson, but weren’t prepared to develop him the way Luck, Winston, Mariota got groomed. He is still very raw in many ways. Your guy Turner could see that but more importantly he could see this kid could be taught.

Do not underestimate Coach Turner. He stomped his hand down for a reason. He sees the same things I see. There are no guarantees but TB will be a very good to great QB in this league for many years. Yeah he had a bad pro day. But that is the best thing that could have happened for the Vikings.

So when let you guys jump in front of us and take Teddy I was so pissed. For a brief moment I thought we might get Clowney and Bridgewater. I have since learned the Texans had no intention of picking Bridgewater even if you guys didn't select him. Bridgewater puts fear in GM’s. Most of them don’t really know how to evaluate talent. Even your says he watched some film and went to 4 games. That’s nothing. I watched 22 games of TB and watched some as many as 5 times. You got to do that to truly see that this kid is special. Because what that shows you is what he does well he does again and again.

You guys are so lucky to have Coach Turner. He may not be a great head coach but he is a great quarterback coach. We are destined for sucktitude with that kind of player evaluation. Not saying Clowney won’t be good. He will but you win championships with quarterback and you guys got the best one by far in this draft. It’s a shame our weak #### GM was afraid to do what you guys did. TB and Clowney was a dream and TB and Barr might even be better.

First off welcome to the VMB. Secondly thanks for the insightfull post.

PacificNorseWest wrote:Dilfer knows his stuff. Always love his insight. He's one of the few that actually goes deeper than the surface on his analysis. He's also not afraid to a call a Q out either. I think his evaluation of Teddy is spot on.

I especially loved this quote:
I've fought this battle on behalf of so many quarterbacks because, in general, people feel the only quarterbacks who can win a Super Bowl are elite guys. That's not the case nor has it ever been. There's nothing outstanding about Teddy when you watch him play. However, he does the things in between the lines and just enough of everything you can see, that he's a guy who will put your team in the best spot to win games. I view him like a view Matt Ryan. Efficient, smart and makes the right play most of the time. Ryan can put up big numbers and be looked at as fringe elite, but probably won't ever be that. He's still a great quarterback and a guy you can win with if the pieces around him are good enough. Same with Teddy. And with the roster on the offensive side of the ball that Minnesota has built, I think he's going to be very successful out of the gates.

Right, but even those guys who don't do anything flashy become some of your better QBs. Tom Brady never did anything special. What he was always good at was taking care of the ball, handling all sorts of pressure, and physically just being able to dial it up when throwing down the middle. Brady had several years where he wasn't anything special as far as his numbers went, he passed for 3,500 yards and 25-30 TDs every year which is very good but not really what I'd consider elite. He eventually put up some of the best numbers that anyone's ever witnessed when they really built the offense around setting him up, and that's the way it can be with any QB like that.

Another guy who comes to mind for not having great numbers, but being recognized as being great is Joe Montana. Again, takes care of the ball, calm under pressure, and never really made any mistakes in big situations. Teddy has the right mentality and plenty of talent, and I think that he definitely has a chance to be considered one of the elites at some point. No one's handing it to him right now, but there's no reason he can't. As soon as he's up to speed, he's going to have a lot of talent around him to work with.

TeddyViking wrote:Hey guys, new Member here. I am a Texans fan who migrated over here because I wanted to follow Bridgewater. The Texans biggest need by far was quarterback. So of course I studied every quarterback in the draft. I watched video, I mean a lot of video. I watched everything on Bridgewater and most everything on Manziel, Carr, Bortles plus some on Boyd, Mettenberg, McCarron, Garrapolo, Logan Thomas and even some kid from Wyoming. I even watched Famous Jameis and Mariota. And what I came away with is Bridgewater does possess those intangibles that separate him from all of those guys.

Yeah his athleticism isn't great but what stuck out for me is his poise under pressure. It's not like Bridgewater is head and shoulders above all the qb's. There are faster qb's and stronger armed QB's, there are QB's that are a little more accurate and bigger QB's but Teddy Bridgewater is at or near the top in almost all categories. In footwork, pocket presence, mobility accuracy, strength, decision making, fearlessness. That's what separates him from the rest.

What I use in analyzing QBs is to watch what they do in the brightest lights on the biggest stage. In lieu of that watch what they do in big games and then at the end of close games and then in 3rd down situations. Teddy steps up more than anyone in college in those situations.

That’s the thing he does better anyone is read the blitz and act under pressure. He is better than Bortles, Manziel Winston, Mariota, everyone and it's really not that close. He simply has more poise and better pocket presence and Teddy Bridgewater just seems to get better under pressure. He shines in the lights. Whether 3rd down coversions, 2 minute drills, conference important games, bowl games winning drives, when everything is on the line is when he puts his cape on.

I watched enough of TB and Manziel and Bortles etc. to know TB was who I wanted to take number 1 overall. But I didn’t stop there. I started looking at Luck's college days and comparing him to Bridgewater and yes of course Luck is all around better but Bridgewater still has that footwork and pocket presence that make it closer than you might think. And when you consider Luck's pedigree and all of his preparation and that he was older when he left college that gap really narrows. Just watch their last games in college and judge for yourself. But remember to look for those subtle nuances in footwork and pocket presence and handling blitzes and pressure.

That’s the other thing, I think Teddy Bridgewater has much more upside than most realize. Teddy Bridgewater was not groomed like many elite prep QB’s and then he went to a Louisville football program that wasn’t even on the map. And not to take anything away from Strong and Watson, but weren’t prepared to develop him the way Luck, Winston, Mariota got groomed. He is still very raw in many ways. Your guy Turner could see that but more importantly he could see this kid could be taught.

Do not underestimate Coach Turner. He stomped his hand down for a reason. He sees the same things I see. There are no guarantees but TB will be a very good to great QB in this league for many years. Yeah he had a bad pro day. But that is the best thing that could have happened for the Vikings.

So when let you guys jump in front of us and take Teddy I was so pissed. For a brief moment I thought we might get Clowney and Bridgewater. I have since learned the Texans had no intention of picking Bridgewater even if you guys didn't select him. Bridgewater puts fear in GM’s. Most of them don’t really know how to evaluate talent. Even your says he watched some film and went to 4 games. That’s nothing. I watched 22 games of TB and watched some as many as 5 times. You got to do that to truly see that this kid is special. Because what that shows you is what he does well he does again and again.

You guys are so lucky to have Coach Turner. He may not be a great head coach but he is a great quarterback coach. We are destined for sucktitude with that kind of player evaluation. Not saying Clowney won’t be good. He will but you win championships with quarterback and you guys got the best one by far in this draft. It’s a shame our weak #### GM was afraid to do what you guys did. TB and Clowney was a dream and TB and Barr might even be better.

Welcome and nice post! I'm right there with you on TB, I'm very pro taking players that perform on the football field and especially in big games, as opposed to at the combine or in a pro day. The more I learn about Teddy the more I feel like this is Russell Wilson all over again. He fell because of the crap that doesn't actually matter while his traits that DO matter (on the football field) are top notch.

Of the top 5 things that are important to good QB's, I'd say 3 of them are all mental. 1. Being able to read a defense pre and post snap. This is crucial because it allows you to play mismatches and have a rough plan of where you want to go with the football before anything even happens. 2. Going through your progressions until you find the open receiver or take the check down. This is something Ponder is basically worthless at but it's so huge when you don't have megatron 3. Throwing on anticipation throwing the ball to where the receiver will be rather than where he is. Bridgewater has shown he is good to great at those things so mentally he checks out.

Physically I guess there are some things you could harp on, the hand size, the non perfect spiral, but then there are the good things he does with his footwork, his mechanics, quick release, and ability to make would be sackers miss. All in all he's a guy that has me really excited.

Holy crap! I'm getting excited about Teddy.

TeddyViking wrote:Hey guys, new Member here. I am a Texans fan who migrated over here because I wanted to follow Bridgewater. The Texans biggest need by far was quarterback. So of course I studied every quarterback in the draft. I watched video, I mean a lot of video. I watched everything on Bridgewater and most everything on Manziel, Carr, Bortles plus some on Boyd, Mettenberg, McCarron, Garrapolo, Logan Thomas and even some kid from Wyoming. I even watched Famous Jameis and Mariota. And what I came away with is Bridgewater does possess those intangibles that separate him from all of those guys.

Yeah his athleticism isn't great but what stuck out for me is his poise under pressure. It's not like Bridgewater is head and shoulders above all the qb's. There are faster qb's and stronger armed QB's, there are QB's that are a little more accurate and bigger QB's but Teddy Bridgewater is at or near the top in almost all categories. In footwork, pocket presence, mobility accuracy, strength, decision making, fearlessness. That's what separates him from the rest.

What I use in analyzing QBs is to watch what they do in the brightest lights on the biggest stage. In lieu of that watch what they do in big games and then at the end of close games and then in 3rd down situations. Teddy steps up more than anyone in college in those situations.

That’s the thing he does better anyone is read the blitz and act under pressure. He is better than Bortles, Manziel Winston, Mariota, everyone and it's really not that close. He simply has more poise and better pocket presence and Teddy Bridgewater just seems to get better under pressure. He shines in the lights. Whether 3rd down coversions, 2 minute drills, conference important games, bowl games winning drives, when everything is on the line is when he puts his cape on.

I watched enough of TB and Manziel and Bortles etc. to know TB was who I wanted to take number 1 overall. But I didn’t stop there. I started looking at Luck's college days and comparing him to Bridgewater and yes of course Luck is all around better but Bridgewater still has that footwork and pocket presence that make it closer than you might think. And when you consider Luck's pedigree and all of his preparation and that he was older when he left college that gap really narrows. Just watch their last games in college and judge for yourself. But remember to look for those subtle nuances in footwork and pocket presence and handling blitzes and pressure.

That’s the other thing, I think Teddy Bridgewater has much more upside than most realize. Teddy Bridgewater was not groomed like many elite prep QB’s and then he went to a Louisville football program that wasn’t even on the map. And not to take anything away from Strong and Watson, but weren’t prepared to develop him the way Luck, Winston, Mariota got groomed. He is still very raw in many ways. Your guy Turner could see that but more importantly he could see this kid could be taught.

Do not underestimate Coach Turner. He stomped his hand down for a reason. He sees the same things I see. There are no guarantees but TB will be a very good to great QB in this league for many years. Yeah he had a bad pro day. But that is the best thing that could have happened for the Vikings.

So when let you guys jump in front of us and take Teddy I was so pissed. For a brief moment I thought we might get Clowney and Bridgewater. I have since learned the Texans had no intention of picking Bridgewater even if you guys didn't select him. Bridgewater puts fear in GM’s. Most of them don’t really know how to evaluate talent. Even your says he watched some film and went to 4 games. That’s nothing. I watched 22 games of TB and watched some as many as 5 times. You got to do that to truly see that this kid is special. Because what that shows you is what he does well he does again and again.

You guys are so lucky to have Coach Turner. He may not be a great head coach but he is a great quarterback coach. We are destined for sucktitude with that kind of player evaluation. Not saying Clowney won’t be good. He will but you win championships with quarterback and you guys got the best one by far in this draft. It’s a shame our weak #### GM was afraid to do what you guys did. TB and Clowney was a dream and TB and Barr might even be better.

OK mondry, - You know it's against the board rules to post under multiple names!!!

(J/K - Thanks for the informative first post).

THis is a really nice link to read about Teddy,
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10956 ... ny-manziel

Jeffbleedspurple wrote:I ordered a Barr jersey

You can donate it to some 3rd world country's children in a few years. Like all those Jets/Ghouston Jerseys.

Jeffbleedspurple wrote:I ordered a Barr jersey

Cool. Wear it proud.