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Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:39 am
by PurpleKoolaid
jackal wrote:
IMO Ponder had one super big problem he could not handle the speed of the game IMO and stop looking down receivers ...
Ponder has good arm strength but his brain and skill set could handle pressure.
Ponder might have been okay on New England after three seasons learning the game ...happens to a lot of QB's I'm quessing
Im not sure ole #7 had a lot of arm strength, but I think he started before he was ready (I think the same for Teddy, not everyone is ready the first year). He also didnt get the coaching he needed. I dont think he was ever really good, but I think the Vikings basically screwed with his head. And not the play calls, but the what to do, when to do it, type things. I guess it turns out no one wants him. If that happens to Teddy Im going to cry.
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:17 am
by Mothman
Posted for those who might be interested:
Michael Rand: Bridgewater is not a 'game manager,' but he's sure being used like one
But here’s where Zimmer is being polite: Bridgewater, through nine games this season, is at the very least being USED like a game manager. The Vikings are 7-2, so it is hard to quibble with the results. That record, though, has an element of fragility to it. Yes, the NFL is a league that comes down to a handful of plays a game in many cases to determine winners and losers. The Vikings have been on the right side of that ledger many times this year, most notably against Kansas City, Chicago and St. Louis. The strength of this team is clearly its defense, which ranks No. 2 in the NFL in points allowed at 17.1 per game. Why wouldn’t you build around that?
That said, it’s also not a crime to have a potent offense and a shutdown defense. The Vikings are on pace to allow fewer than 300 points for the first time since … 1998, when they set an NFL record (at the time) for points scored. So we shouldn’t totally buy into the notion that a safe offense is a defense’s best friend. It very well might be for the Vikings as currently constructed, but that again goes back to their personnel on offense — with Bridgewater right in the middle of that. His attempts, completions, yards and touchdown passes all rank in the bottom third of NFL quarterbacks. He’s being used in a specific way.
More at the link. Overall, it's a pretty positive take.
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:36 am
by losperros
Mothman wrote:More at the link. Overall, it's a pretty positive take.
Good article. That said, I think Rand is right about the schedule. At some time soon Bridgewater just might have to be a playmaker with little time on the clock. He will have to put mucho points on the board quickly and with big pass plays. Not to be cynical but I'm not sure Bridgewater and this offense (including the pass blocking) can do that, at least not in a big way.
With the incredible defense and AD, they've avoided this kind of scenario. But can they hold out an entire season and throughout the playoffs that way?
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:41 am
by Purple bruise
losperros wrote:
Good article. That said, I think Rand is right about the schedule. At some time soon Bridgewater just might have to be a playmaker with little time on the clock. He will have to put mucho points on the board quickly and with big pass plays. Not to be cynical but I'm not sure Bridgewater and this offense (including the pass blocking) can do that, at least not in a big way.
With the incredible defense and AD, they've avoided this kind of scenario. But can they hold out an entire season and throughout the playoffs that way?
This scenario might happen as soon as this weekend. I have great confidence that TB will come through with his passing and his scrambling.
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:51 am
by Mothman
losperros wrote:
Good article. That said, I think Rand is right about the schedule. At some time soon Bridgewater just might have to be a playmaker with little time on the clock. He will have to put mucho points on the board quickly and with big pass plays. Not to be cynical but I'm not sure Bridgewater and this offense (including the pass blocking) can do that, at least not in a big way.
With the incredible defense and AD, they've avoided this kind of scenario. But can they hold out an entire season and throughout the playoffs that way?
It would be quite a feat...
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:17 am
by chicagopurple
...and it couldnt happen at a more epic moment.
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:03 pm
by fiestavike
Mothman wrote:
It would be quite a feat...
I just don't think we should rule out the possibility of improvement. (I know you aren't ruling it out). think of how different the next 7 games look if Teddy hits on 1 or 2 of those big play opportunities that he's been missing each week. It could be one play that makes a 15-20 200 yard 1 TD game into a 16-20 275 yard game with 2 touchdowns. One or two plays is the difference between "Teddy is struggling" and "Teddy is elite" in the eyes of fans.
We are scoring 30 instead of 20, winning by 15 instead of 3, and the whole world believes!
I don't give a crud about any of that. I just want to see Teddy continue to develop and make those plays. I'm confident he will.
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:09 pm
by Purple bruise
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:41 pm
by PurpleKoolaid
Good article, I thought. And he didnt even mention the cowgirls once!
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:49 pm
by The Breeze
I'm thinking that TBs lack of INTs is being somewhat overblown. Given the strength of the defense, outside of last week, there should be some incentive to take some risks in the passing game.
I really can't imagine how this kid is going to improve his downfield passing if he doesn't take multiple shots downfield.
I expect that there are going to be picks as a result of taking those shots. So what?
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:36 pm
by allday1991
The Breeze wrote:I'm thinking that TBs lack of INTs is being somewhat overblown. Given the strength of the defense, outside of last week, there should be some incentive to take some risks in the passing game.
I really can't imagine how this kid is going to improve his downfield passing if he doesn't take multiple shots downfield.
I expect that there are going to be picks as a result of taking those shots. So what?
Agreed, picks will happen but so will TDs, big plays, and pass interference calls. Really just supports the saying you will miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:22 pm
by PurpleMustReign
The Breeze wrote:I'm thinking that TBs lack of INTs is being somewhat overblown. Given the strength of the defense, outside of last week, there should be some incentive to take some risks in the passing game.
I really can't imagine how this kid is going to improve his downfield passing if he doesn't take multiple shots downfield.
I expect that there are going to be picks as a result of taking those shots. So what?
Exactly.
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Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:07 am
by John_Viveiros
Do we really want Teddy to have better stats?
Ben Goessling @GoesslingESPN wrote:
Per @ESPNStatsInfo, #Vikings are 6-0 when Teddy Bridgewater throws for fewer than 200 yards. It's counterintuitive, but it's working.
By my count, "he-who-will-not-be-named" was 8-10 in games under 200 yards passing with the Vikings (6-3 in the 2012 playoff year).
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:16 am
by HardcoreVikesFan
John_Viveiros wrote:Do we really want Teddy to have better stats?
By my count, "he-who-will-not-be-named" was 8-10 in games under 200 yards passing with the Vikings (6-3 in the 2012 playoff year).
I believe Teddy is already consistent. His play is similar every week. And I am just fine with it - for now.
I still believe that he would thrive even more in a different style of offense.
However, at 8-3, I shouldn't complain. When is the last time we even had a QB that brought us to within one game of having a winning record on the road (besides Brett Favre)?
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:21 am
by PurpleMustReign
HardcoreVikesFan wrote:
I believe Teddy is already consistent. His play is similar every week. And I am just fine with it - for now.
I still believe that he would thrive even more in a different style of offense.
However, at 8-3, I shouldn't complain. When is the last time we even had a QB that brought us to within one game of having a winning record on the road (besides Brett Favre)?
Actually we went 4-4 on the road that season. We could have the first winning record on the road since 1998 if we beat Arizona or Green Bay.
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