Trent Williams

[StumpHunter]

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Let me see if I got the rules straight here.

If I post a stat that the NFL feels is important enough to include in their NextGen stats, that directly contradicts what someone says about the offensive line, in a thread about upgrading the offensive line, that is being a part of the problem.

If I point out that the snark and arrogance did not start with me, but in fact began with you and VV, I am claiming that I was bullied. Not giving an explanation why things got heated, I am simply playing the victim.

If I say the offensive line wasn't so horrible last year that a very good QB couldn't have hid some of its flaws, I am being super negative and unrealistic and ruining the discussion.

Can we get these added to the board rules? It is very confusing.

I thought you were done btw?

Yup you’re right. That’s exactly how you stated all of your points. Myself as well as 4 others members were all in the wrong when it came to going back and forth with you. We were being the “attackers”, “bullies”, whatever you wanna call us. Must be the board is just compiled of a bunch of dic#heads. I just find it odd that you, yes you, were the common denominator in 5 different back and forths in the last few pages. Weird how that works.

And I AM done. I’m just one of how many that have tried to get you to knock it off and get back to the topic. But you just don’t know when to quit and will never learn. I’m going back on the topic of trading for Trent Williams. I suggest you do the same.

Fine by me.

With the massive cap hit we have locked up in our QB for the next two seasons, and very little to spend on the many holes his cap hit has caused. I am not sure a long term contract for an oft injured LT who even when healthy only helped Cousins win 9 and 8 games.

[Pondering Her Percy]

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Yup you’re right. That’s exactly how you stated all of your points. Myself as well as 4 others members were all in the wrong when it came to going back and forth with you. We were being the “attackers”, “bullies”, whatever you wanna call us. Must be the board is just compiled of a bunch of dic#heads. I just find it odd that you, yes you, were the common denominator in 5 different back and forths in the last few pages. Weird how that works.

And I AM done. I’m just one of how many that have tried to get you to knock it off and get back to the topic. But you just don’t know when to quit and will never learn. I’m going back on the topic of trading for Trent Williams. I suggest you do the same.

Fine by me.

With the massive cap hit we have locked up in our QB for the next two seasons, and very little to spend on the many holes his cap hit has caused. I am not sure a long term contract for an oft injured LT who even when healthy only helped Cousins win 9 and 8 games.

What Williams “helped” cousins do in Washington has literally zero relevance to what he would help him do here or how he would help this OL in general. I’m not sure why that’s even being brought up. Completely different year, team and situation.

And I mentioned this before, Williams being “oft-injured” consists of missing a few games here and there. Yet now he has an entire year under his belt to let his body heal. People could say Kyle Rudolph was “oft-injured” early in his career, or hell even diggs practically his entire career so far. Yet they still both helped this team in a lot of ways. Like I said before, if someone said you can get Williams for 13-14 games a year and have to give rashod hill spot starts here and there in his absence. I take that any day of the week and twice on weekends.

[halfgiz]

Fine by me.

With the massive cap hit we have locked up in our QB for the next two seasons, and very little to spend on the many holes his cap hit has caused. I am not sure a long term contract for an oft injured LT who even when healthy only helped Cousins win 9 and 8 games.

What Williams “helped” cousins do in Washington has literally zero relevance to what he would help him do here or how he would help this OL in general. I’m not sure why that’s even being brought up. Completely different year, team and situation.

And I mentioned this before, Williams being “oft-injured” consists of missing a few games here and there. Yet now he has an entire year under his belt to let his body heal. People could say Kyle Rudolph was “oft-injured” early in his career, or hell even diggs practically his entire career so far. Yet they still both helped this team in a lot of ways. Like I said before, if someone said you can get Williams for 13-14 games a year and have to give rashod hill spot starts here and there in his absence. I take that any day of the week and twice on weekends.

A couple big questions on Williams...Can we afford him? Would it be a muli year deal or just a year? He was looking for a big pay day which leaves us out.
My thoughts are, we see Reiff one more year. And we try an upgrade the OL through the draft.
I know having Reiff back wouldn't be popular...but it very well could happen.

[Pondering Her Percy]

What Williams “helped” cousins do in Washington has literally zero relevance to what he would help him do here or how he would help this OL in general. I’m not sure why that’s even being brought up. Completely different year, team and situation.

And I mentioned this before, Williams being “oft-injured” consists of missing a few games here and there. Yet now he has an entire year under his belt to let his body heal. People could say Kyle Rudolph was “oft-injured” early in his career, or hell even diggs practically his entire career so far. Yet they still both helped this team in a lot of ways. Like I said before, if someone said you can get Williams for 13-14 games a year and have to give rashod hill spot starts here and there in his absence. I take that any day of the week and twice on weekends.

A couple big questions on Williams...Can we afford him? Would it be a muli year deal or just a year? He was looking for a big pay day which leaves us out.
My thoughts are, we see Reiff one more year. And we try an upgrade the OL through the draft.
I know having Reiff back wouldn't be popular...but it very well could happen.

We can afford him if we put someone like Reiff or Harris in the deal. Reiff being the one it would probably be. We could really afford him either way because we could just hold Reiff until June 1 and then cut him to save $11 million.

Williams would definitely get a multi year deal and the pay day he wanted was proved to be false by his agent. Said that Williams seeking 18-20 million was 100% false. My guess is it will be in the 14-16 million range

[VikingsVictorious]

What Williams “helped” cousins do in Washington has literally zero relevance to what he would help him do here or how he would help this OL in general. I’m not sure why that’s even being brought up. Completely different year, team and situation.

And I mentioned this before, Williams being “oft-injured” consists of missing a few games here and there. Yet now he has an entire year under his belt to let his body heal. People could say Kyle Rudolph was “oft-injured” early in his career, or hell even diggs practically his entire career so far. Yet they still both helped this team in a lot of ways. Like I said before, if someone said you can get Williams for 13-14 games a year and have to give rashod hill spot starts here and there in his absence. I take that any day of the week and twice on weekends.

A couple big questions on Williams...Can we afford him? Would it be a muli year deal or just a year? He was looking for a big pay day which leaves us out.
My thoughts are, we see Reiff one more year. And we try an upgrade the OL through the draft.
I know having Reiff back wouldn't be popular...but it very well could happen.

Nothing wrong with Reiff at all. We also get him for a very reasonable 8.8 million cap hit difference vs cutting him. If we can draft a guy like Josh Jones who could play guard and then take over for Reiff next year that would be perfect.

[VikingsVictorious]

A couple big questions on Williams...Can we afford him? Would it be a muli year deal or just a year? He was looking for a big pay day which leaves us out.
My thoughts are, we see Reiff one more year. And we try an upgrade the OL through the draft.
I know having Reiff back wouldn't be popular...but it very well could happen.

We can afford him if we put someone like Reiff or Harris in the deal. Reiff being the one it would probably be. We could really afford him either way because we could just hold Reiff until June 1 and then cut him to save $11 million.

Williams would definitely get a multi year deal and the pay day he wanted was proved to be false by his agent. Said that Williams seeking 18-20 million was 100% false. My guess is it will be in the 14-16 million range

I'm still confused about Reiff being released saving us $11 million. Right now it would save us 8.8 million right? If he is cut somebody will pounce on him very quickly.

[J. Kapp 11]

We can afford him if we put someone like Reiff or Harris in the deal. Reiff being the one it would probably be. We could really afford him either way because we could just hold Reiff until June 1 and then cut him to save $11 million.

Williams would definitely get a multi year deal and the pay day he wanted was proved to be false by his agent. Said that Williams seeking 18-20 million was 100% false. My guess is it will be in the 14-16 million range

I'm still confused about Reiff being released saving us $11 million. Right now it would save us 8.8 million right? If he is cut somebody will pounce on him very quickly.

Cap savings is, in fact, $8.8 million, according to OverTheCap.

[Bowhunting Viking]

What Williams “helped” cousins do in Washington has literally zero relevance to what he would help him do here or how he would help this OL in general. I’m not sure why that’s even being brought up. Completely different year, team and situation.

And I mentioned this before, Williams being “oft-injured” consists of missing a few games here and there. Yet now he has an entire year under his belt to let his body heal. People could say Kyle Rudolph was “oft-injured” early in his career, or hell even diggs practically his entire career so far. Yet they still both helped this team in a lot of ways. Like I said before, if someone said you can get Williams for 13-14 games a year and have to give rashod hill spot starts here and there in his absence. I take that any day of the week and twice on weekends.

A couple big questions on Williams...Can we afford him? Would it be a muli year deal or just a year? He was looking for a big pay day which leaves us out.
My thoughts are, we see Reiff one more year. And we try an upgrade the OL through the draft.
I know having Reiff back wouldn't be popular...but it very well could happen.

Trust me the biggest factor here is Williams wanting out of Washington, and wanting out BAD!!! I know that there are articles out there written about the issue of the mistrust between himself, the medical staff and the front office of the organization.
Now, REALLY trust me, as someone who has been privy to hear a more personal and inside view of this situation from one of Trent's teammates, but more importantly very good friend, this is NOT a situation of a player posturing for more money. This is a situation of loyal player who's relationship and trust between himself and the team has been completely destroyed beyond repair, and severed to a point that no amount of money can repair it. The complete truth is that when the medical staff for the Skins made a terrible misdiagnosis on a very serious and potentially
dangerous health situation, then subsequently tried to cover their own #### and not admit their mistake, then selfishly tried to spin the story around to deflect their own incompetence by placing the blame on the player, by trying to make him appear to be a greedy distraction to the team, at that point Trent Williams
Had had enough and decided he never EVER wanted to play another snap as a Washington Redskin and asked to be released or traded.
We all know now what transpired after that. Washington decided to keep him under contract and tey and force his hand and expected him to cave in and play. Fortunately for him, he has been very wise and has put himself in a financial position that he was able to push back, make a stand and not have to allow them to force him back to play just to be able to survive. That was evident when he did report back fo the remainder of last season so the season would count as a vested season towards his pension.
I've seen some pretty interesting scenarios as to how the Vikes could make this happen. Of course most were the usual things like trading Harris, Reiff etc etc.
One that I just read this morning was very intriguing. It had the Vikes giving the Skins Reiff, our 2 1st rd picks this year and I believe a 3rd, plus next year's 1st rd pick. For that we would get William's AND the Redskins 1st rd pick this year (#2), and we would use it to pick Chase Young .
.now that was a different scenario for sure!! Lol.
A few more things that I do know that Trent did tell my friend, the reports of him wanting to be up in the 18 to20 mill salary were totally BS put out there by... suprise ...Skins reps. And although he had been banged up in the prior seasons, he has had ose to 2 seasons now to heal up, get healthy, and has made alot if improvements to strength and stamina workouts and diet changes, and is , in his own words... like a Young bad #### kid again.. lol.
Straight from the big boys mouth.. I mean phone, text.
So who knows. It may not even come close to happening. Or it may happen. Will the risk be worth the reward. Only time will tell. I would love to see it happen and have him get back to form and give us another great 3 or 4 years. And I'd that one crazy scenario I did see did happen and we dis somehow get Chase and he turns out to be all that they expect him to be .. the WOW!!!
But I'm just gonna try and be patient and just wait to see what happens.

[J. Kapp 11]

A couple big questions on Williams...Can we afford him? Would it be a muli year deal or just a year? He was looking for a big pay day which leaves us out.
My thoughts are, we see Reiff one more year. And we try an upgrade the OL through the draft.
I know having Reiff back wouldn't be popular...but it very well could happen.

Trust me the biggest factor here is Williams wanting out of Washington, and wanting out BAD!!! I know that there are articles out there written about the issue of the mistrust between himself, the medical staff and the front office of the organization.
Now, REALLY trust me, as someone who has been privy to hear a more personal and inside view of this situation from one of Trent's teammates, but more importantly very good friend, this is NOT a situation of a player posturing for more money. This is a situation of loyal player who's relationship and trust between himself and the team has been completely destroyed beyond repair, and severed to a point that no amount of money can repair it. The complete truth is that when the medical staff for the Skins made a terrible misdiagnosis on a very serious and potentially
dangerous health situation, then subsequently tried to cover their own #### and not admit their mistake, then selfishly tried to spin the story around to deflect their own incompetence by placing the blame on the player, by trying to make him appear to be a greedy distraction to the team, at that point Trent Williams
Had had enough and decided he never EVER wanted to play another snap as a Washington Redskin and asked to be released or traded.
We all know now what transpired after that. Washington decided to keep him under contract and tey and force his hand and expected him to cave in and play. Fortunately for him, he has been very wise and has put himself in a financial position that he was able to push back, make a stand and not have to allow them to force him back to play just to be able to survive. That was evident when he did report back fo the remainder of last season so the season would count as a vested season towards his pension.
I've seen some pretty interesting scenarios as to how the Vikes could make this happen. Of course most were the usual things like trading Harris, Reiff etc etc.
One that I just read this morning was very intriguing. It had the Vikes giving the Skins Reiff, our 2 1st rd picks this year and I believe a 3rd, plus next year's 1st rd pick. For that we would get William's AND the Redskins 1st rd pick this year (#2), and we would use it to pick Chase Young .
.now that was a different scenario for sure!! Lol.
A few more things that I do know that Trent did tell my friend, the reports of him wanting to be up in the 18 to20 mill salary were totally BS put out there by... suprise ...Skins reps. And although he had been banged up in the prior seasons, he has had ose to 2 seasons now to heal up, get healthy, and has made alot if improvements to strength and stamina workouts and diet changes, and is , in his own words... like a Young bad #### kid again.. lol.
Straight from the big boys mouth.. I mean phone, text.
So who knows. It may not even come close to happening. Or it may happen. Will the risk be worth the reward. Only time will tell. I would love to see it happen and have him get back to form and give us another great 3 or 4 years. And I'd that one crazy scenario I did see did happen and we dis somehow get Chase and he turns out to be all that they expect him to be .. the WOW!!!
But I'm just gonna try and be patient and just wait to see what happens.

Very interesting trade proposal.

When I first read it, I thought we would be getting hammered. But I've learned that you have to pair any deal up with the NFL draft position points chart. When you do that, the deal gets REALLY interesting.

VIKINGS WOULD GET
Trent Williams
2600 draft points

REDSKINS WOULD GET
Reiff
2465 draft points (This assumes we draft in approximately the same position next year. Breakdown: 22nd pick (780); 25th pick (720), 89th pick (145), 25th pick next year (780).

Not sure where you're getting this from, but you've been dead-on with everything you've ever posted about Trent Williams, so I'm going with it. And besides, it makes sense because it's a win-win. Skins get something in return for Williams, who is never gonna play for them, and they get to stockpile draft picks, which a rebuilding franchise needs. We get an all-pro left tackle and someone who is likely to be really, really good at a position Zimmer values. The Skins come out behind on draft points, but not that far behind ... especially considering their lack of leverage with Williams. In the end, we essentially trade Diggs and Reiff for Williams and Young. Given Diggs' attitude (and the fact that, well, he's gone) I'd do that every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I love this deal. Chase Young and Danielle Hunter ... Erin Rodgers would be pooping his pants. Hope we can get it done.

[VikingsVictorious]

I'm still confused about Reiff being released saving us $11 million. Right now it would save us 8.8 million right? If he is cut somebody will pounce on him very quickly.

Cap savings is, in fact, $8.8 million, according to OverTheCap.

But does it become $11 million savings later? Perhaps June 1st?

[Pondering Her Percy]

I'm still confused about Reiff being released saving us $11 million. Right now it would save us 8.8 million right? If he is cut somebody will pounce on him very quickly.

Cap savings is, in fact, $8.8 million, according to OverTheCap.

It is. We would save $11 million if we traded or cut him post June 1st. If we trade or cut him anytime before that, we save $8.8 million.

My question is, is there a certain time where we have to be within the cap? Like if we traded for Williams but didn’t involve reiff. Maybe we’d be over the cap but can we just continue to wait until June 1st and then cut him so we can save more? Or would we receive some sort of penalty?

[RandyMoss84]

We can afford him if we put someone like Reiff or Harris in the deal. Reiff being the one it would probably be. We could really afford him either way because we could just hold Reiff until June 1 and then cut him to save $11 million.

Williams would definitely get a multi year deal and the pay day he wanted was proved to be false by his agent. Said that Williams seeking 18-20 million was 100% false. My guess is it will be in the 14-16 million range

I'm still confused about Reiff being released saving us $11 million. Right now it would save us 8.8 million right? If he is cut somebody will pounce on him very quickly.

Why would somebody pounce on Reiff very quickly? He is not that good

[VikingLord]

One that I just read this morning was very intriguing. It had the Vikes giving the Skins Reiff, our 2 1st rd picks this year and I believe a 3rd, plus next year's 1st rd pick. For that we would get William's AND the Redskins 1st rd pick this year (#2), and we would use it to pick Chase Young .

Very interesting trade proposal.

When I first read it, I thought we would be getting hammered. But I've learned that you have to pair any deal up with the NFL draft position points chart. When you do that, the deal gets REALLY interesting.

VIKINGS WOULD GET
Trent Williams
2600 draft points

REDSKINS WOULD GET
Reiff
2465 draft points (This assumes we draft in approximately the same position next year. Breakdown: 22nd pick (780); 25th pick (720), 89th pick (145), 25th pick next year (780).

I love this deal. Chase Young and Danielle Hunter ... Erin Rodgers would be pooping his pants. Hope we can get it done.

OK, I know the draft points work out in the Vikings favor, but if one views those high draft picks as lottery tickets instead of sure thing players, it looks a lot less in the Vikings favor, especially considering all the holes the team has to fill.

The Vikings are trading starting left tackles and get a single high 1st round pick. The Redskins get a starting left tackle who is perhaps a little less talented and 3 later first round picks and a 3rd rounder.

In your scenario, the Vikings use that high 1st rounder to get a "sure thing" defensive end, but how many times have sure thing prospects flamed out in the pros? Yeah, Chase Young is a stud. I don't think he's going to flame out. I still don't like the trade. Those 3 1st rounders can help bolster both the OL and DL over the next two seasons with players who might not be as potentially special as Young, but who won't be all that much worse and who can potentially contribute more to the overall team.

It's not a deal I would do.

[RandyMoss84]

Trust me the biggest factor here is Williams wanting out of Washington, and wanting out BAD!!! I know that there are articles out there written about the issue of the mistrust between himself, the medical staff and the front office of the organization.
Now, REALLY trust me, as someone who has been privy to hear a more personal and inside view of this situation from one of Trent's teammates, but more importantly very good friend, this is NOT a situation of a player posturing for more money. This is a situation of loyal player who's relationship and trust between himself and the team has been completely destroyed beyond repair, and severed to a point that no amount of money can repair it. The complete truth is that when the medical staff for the Skins made a terrible misdiagnosis on a very serious and potentially
dangerous health situation, then subsequently tried to cover their own #### and not admit their mistake, then selfishly tried to spin the story around to deflect their own incompetence by placing the blame on the player, by trying to make him appear to be a greedy distraction to the team, at that point Trent Williams
Had had enough and decided he never EVER wanted to play another snap as a Washington Redskin and asked to be released or traded.
We all know now what transpired after that. Washington decided to keep him under contract and tey and force his hand and expected him to cave in and play. Fortunately for him, he has been very wise and has put himself in a financial position that he was able to push back, make a stand and not have to allow them to force him back to play just to be able to survive. That was evident when he did report back fo the remainder of last season so the season would count as a vested season towards his pension.
I've seen some pretty interesting scenarios as to how the Vikes could make this happen. Of course most were the usual things like trading Harris, Reiff etc etc.
One that I just read this morning was very intriguing. It had the Vikes giving the Skins Reiff, our 2 1st rd picks this year and I believe a 3rd, plus next year's 1st rd pick. For that we would get William's AND the Redskins 1st rd pick this year (#2), and we would use it to pick Chase Young .
.now that was a different scenario for sure!! Lol.
A few more things that I do know that Trent did tell my friend, the reports of him wanting to be up in the 18 to20 mill salary were totally BS put out there by... suprise ...Skins reps. And although he had been banged up in the prior seasons, he has had ose to 2 seasons now to heal up, get healthy, and has made alot if improvements to strength and stamina workouts and diet changes, and is , in his own words... like a Young bad #### kid again.. lol.
Straight from the big boys mouth.. I mean phone, text.
So who knows. It may not even come close to happening. Or it may happen. Will the risk be worth the reward. Only time will tell. I would love to see it happen and have him get back to form and give us another great 3 or 4 years. And I'd that one crazy scenario I did see did happen and we dis somehow get Chase and he turns out to be all that they expect him to be .. the WOW!!!
But I'm just gonna try and be patient and just wait to see what happens.

Very interesting trade proposal.

When I first read it, I thought we would be getting hammered. But I've learned that you have to pair any deal up with the NFL draft position points chart. When you do that, the deal gets REALLY interesting.

VIKINGS WOULD GET
Trent Williams
2600 draft points

REDSKINS WOULD GET
Reiff
2465 draft points (This assumes we draft in approximately the same position next year. Breakdown: 22nd pick (780); 25th pick (720), 89th pick (145), 25th pick next year (780).

Not sure where you're getting this from, but you've been dead-on with everything you've ever posted about Trent Williams, so I'm going with it. And besides, it makes sense because it's a win-win. Skins get something in return for Williams, who is never gonna play for them, and they get to stockpile draft picks, which a rebuilding franchise needs. We get an all-pro left tackle and someone who is likely to be really, really good at a position Zimmer values. The Skins come out behind on draft points, but not that far behind ... especially considering their lack of leverage with Williams. In the end, we essentially trade Diggs and Reiff for Williams and Young. Given Diggs' attitude (and the fact that, well, he's gone) I'd do that every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I love this deal. Chase Young and Danielle Hunter ... Erin Rodgers would be pooping his pants. Hope we can get it done.

I hope we do not, Vikings have too many holes to fill to give up the farm

[VikingsVictorious]

I'm still confused about Reiff being released saving us $11 million. Right now it would save us 8.8 million right? If he is cut somebody will pounce on him very quickly.

Why would somebody pounce on Reiff very quickly? He is not that good

He's better than a lot of teams have and at that point he will probably come cheap.