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dead_poet wrote:Don't sweat it, guys. Schiano thinks Teddy is like Montana. We're good.

Ex-Bucs coach Greg Schiano: Teddy Bridgewater is a young Joe Montana
More here: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... oe-montana

here it comes...

Seriously though, I order the HOF induction tickets. Who wants to go?

IrishViking wrote:I mean no offense but by admitting the Arizona comparison is "apples and Oranges" doesn't mean I am not going to accept it on principle. Palmer vs Bridgewater is an absurd comparison and If teddy had as many years under his belt as Carson I'd want him gone.

I wasn't comparing Palmer to Bridgewater. I made that crystal clear. The point was to illustrate that a QB can still be very productive on a team that's playing really good defense and running the ball as much as the Vikings do. Those aren't factors that limit or prohibit much better production from a passing game.

I'm bowing out of this whole discussion for now. Thanks to all who engaged in it...

Mothman wrote: I wish mine did. At this point, my mind is just turning toward therapy.

I think it was yesterday I went to reply to a post that you had made towards me and realized there was something like 25 recent posts...I'd only been gone for a few hours. So I just clicked on the most recent page and closed the thread. Too much for me, man.

I'm glad the board is so alive, though.

Teddy does need more consistency. I mean my god his body is like warm play-doh. If he hardened some of that body of his to the consistency of say tree bark, well theeeen we might have something. The poor little basterd couldnt hit the port side of a cruise ship with an under inflated football much less the starboard side of a walmart womans food basket.

Teddy, i believe has inspired this team to an extra degree that isnt all that common anymore. And a big part of that is Zimmer's fault.

I would take Teddy in his current state over Culpepper at his best. Teddy's can thrive outside his comfort zone and thats something Culpepper didnt do so well.

Mothman wrote: Maybe... but I think that would depend on the situation. I fully grasp the risk of asking him to be more aggressive but again, I don't think anyone is asking him him to press or play recklessly.

It's professional football. He needs to be able to play from the pocket as a dropback passer. He needs to be able to read a defense and make more plays down the field and learning to do so, mistakes and all, is a necessary part of his development. If he just stays in "safe mode", he's basically a middling backup quarterback in starter's shoes.

It absolutely amazes me that suggesting one of the least productive passers in the league needs to be more productive causes such intense consternation among Vikings fans. What, exactly, is unfair about expecting an NFL QB to be able to play under center, throw downfield, pass for more than 12-14 TDs in a season, etc.? His coaches clearly want him to do more, what's wrong with us wanting it too?

I dont remember you saying this with Ponder growing up as a Viking. Why SMH for Teddy? Even his own coaches say hes doing whats asked of him, and hope he progresses. WTH else do you want him to do with a little more then a year under his belt, and just turning 23? Want me to list some good QBs that didnt look like HoF player in their first 2 years? Give it a rest. Almost every one of your post include posting/writing about Teddy being sub par. I dont think anyone has crowned him the new Vikings QB. He hasnt been here long enough to happen! The coaches have said recently, they want Teddy to open things up, I think he will. If his WR's can get open. Maybe Kyle and Wallace can try to hang onto the balls tossed their way. kind of hard for a QB to try going to receivers that drop balls. Maybe he can throw to Diggs and hand off every play. Maybe the Oline learns to pass protect. Im just hoping we get a good QB that doesnt make mistakes, and improves every year, until he reaches his maximum ability. And then we go on a playoff run. In the meantime, I hope the Vikes front office has a backup plan. Because they havent done a good job with finding QBs in a long long time.

akvikingsfan wrote:

Great article! Thanks for sharing...

IrishViking wrote:I mean no offense but by admitting the Arizona comparison is "apples and Oranges" doesn't mean I am not going to accept it on principle. Palmer vs Bridgewater is an absurd comparison and If teddy had as many years under his belt as Carson I'd want him gone.

I have always thought that certain QB's made small plays - let's say, like the Asiata flip that got us out of the shadow of our own goal or could have gotten a first down - that subtly changed the outcome of the game. I always say I liked Brad Johnson (2008 version with a reasonably strong arm) over Culpepper, because he was amazingly good at killing games by converting first downs when the Vikes had the lead and the ball with only a few minutes left.

As such, I could never think of dropping a QB who was 7-2. You absolutely know he's not losing games for you, right? The only thing you can question is whether he could win a game for you if needed. We certainly all have different feelings about that.

In another vein, Stafford and Carr have pretty amazing statistics. But they don't win games even half the time over their career. In one scenario, the only difference in the last game was Carr's two interceptions. Had he avoided those, maybe the Raiders win 21-20 (ten points off the turnovers, and giving the Raiders the TD instead of Newman's INT).

This is all academic - we have Teddy, and he'll be the starter for at least a couple years more, until he's washed out or Heinecke replaces him or he indeed becomes Joe Montana.

I saw some comments comparing him to Ponder...

Bridgewater is the opposite IMO.. I don't care if he throws for 225 in his career..

He does not throw picks at horrible times...

He plays smart and looks down field...

He wins games and knows how to make plays when they count


Ponder did none of these IMO. Ponder did not learn over time. Ponder did not handle pressure.

If you want stats, go watch the Red Zone channel IMO..

PurpleKoolaid wrote:I dont remember you saying this with Ponder growing up as a Viking.

I'm sorry to hear that you don't remember it but I did, in fact, talk about the need for him to improve... many times. I don't have a double standard on this subject. Young QBs take time to develop. It's a process and I understand that. I simply want to see the same things from Bridgewater that I wanted to see from Ponder: growth, development and good production along the way.

WTH else do you want him to do with a little more then a year under his belt, and just turning 23?

I think I've made that abundantly clear. All you have to do is read...

Now, as I said, I want to bow out of this discussion for a while.

jackal wrote:I saw some comments comparing him to Ponder...

Bridgewater is the opposite IMO.. I don't care if he throws for 225 in his career..

He does not throw picks at horrible times...

He plays smart and looks down field...

He wins games and knows how to make plays when they count


Ponder did none of these IMO. Ponder did not learn over time. Ponder did not handle pressure.

If you want stats, go watch the Red Zone channel IMO..

Its not going to matter. Im am betting if/when Teddy starts throwing for 250+yards 2 INTS, 2 TDs, and we get away from the ground attack thats making us a powerhouse in the NFC, there are 4-5 people that will just complain Teddy isnt doing enough. The coaches have a plan for Teddy. Doesnt happen overnight, and they dont want to ruin him, like our former #7 was ruined so early on before. But regardless, they better have a plan B. I have no idea if they think Heinekin (or whatever his name is) is the guy we play if Teddy isnt the guy. Or they are going to try for a mid round QB. They better have a plan B. Or we are in trouble. Shawn Hill isnt the answer to anything really.

Mothman wrote:It troubles me that you felt the need to post the comment I highlighted above.

Obviously I am just a lurker here. I enjoy reading your posts and I appreciate your insight as most others here do. Just getting confused why it seems that so many are upset that Teddy isn't elite RIGHT NOW. I am content to just wait and see and for now I will just enjoy the wins.

Grashopa wrote: Obviously I am just a lurker here. I enjoy reading your posts and I appreciate your insight as most others here do. Just getting confused why it seems that so many are upset that Teddy isn't elite RIGHT NOW. I am content to just wait and see and for now I will just enjoy the wins.

Thanks.

I can't speak for anybody else but I'm not looking for elite play, just improved play... and I'm definitely enjoying the wins.

Now stop lurking and post more often!

Besides all of the Rhetoric, the main thing is that Zimmer seems to love the kid and stands by him at every turn. I love Zimmer and I am following his lead

Its not going to matter. Im am betting if/when Teddy starts throwing for 250+yards 2 INTS, 2 TDs, and we get away from the ground attack thats making us a powerhouse in the NFC, there are 4-5 people that will just complain Teddy isnt doing enough. The coaches have a plan for Teddy. Doesnt happen overnight, and they dont want to ruin him, like our former #7 was ruined so early on before. But regardless, they better have a plan B. I have no idea if they think Heinekin (or whatever his name is) is the guy we play if Teddy isnt the guy. Or they are going to try for a mid round QB. They better have a plan B. Or we are in trouble. Shawn Hill isnt the answer to anything really.

IMO Ponder had one super big problem he could not handle the speed of the game IMO and stop looking down receivers ...

Ponder has good arm strength but his brain and skill set could handle pressure.

Ponder might have been okay on New England after three seasons learning the game ...happens to a lot of QB's I'm quessing

I have to read my posts before i hit the submit buttons sometimes. I sound like an ahole when I dont mean to.