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Re: Aint's Penalty

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Mothman wrote:Nothing is ever going to change that 31-28 final score so this comes to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGcn15ODltA

It's been two freakin' years.
Yeah, but if I can still harbor bad feelings about Pearson pushing off, I think this deserves some extra time in the meat grinder of regrets.

Besides, while nothing that could happen to the Saints makes that Vikings' season ending any easier to swallow, it's good to know that some kind of "justice" is being meted out concerning a reprehensible act.
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Re: Aint's Penalty

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Also, evidently the NFL knew about this before it came out, and warned the saints to stop it, and were told by Peyton is had been handled. So, the saints were lying directly to the NFL about it. The were given warnings and ignored them. That alone is enough to warrant some punishment.
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Mothman wrote:Nothing is ever going to change that 31-28 final score so this comes to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGcn15ODltA

It's been two freakin' years.
I clicked that link and saw the trailer for the movie Prometheus, so yes, I definitely see where you're coming from. :wink:
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vikeinmontana wrote: something i am curious about since this broke? i wonder why they didn't have a bounty on manning in the superbowl? at least he wasn't named as far as i remember. they had one on warner and favre. why not manning in the game that mattered the most?
I think what happened is that after the games against the Cards and Vikes someone from the NFL came knocking asking about things, especially after the Vikings game. And I think the Saints probably had to cool it or risk getting in real trouble, so they did. That's why Manning escaped relatively unscathed from this, IMHO.
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The coaches should be gone for life. I compare this to NASCAR, yes I realize the two sports are not anything alike but....when NASCAR catches someone using drugs they will remove them from NASCAR. This is to keep the other drivers safe and that is the goal here, to keep players safe. Peyton and Williams should be permanently removed from the NFL. The NFL will never yank a trophy, if they didn't when they busted the pats they never will.
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9man wrote:The coaches should be gone for life. I compare this to NASCAR, yes I realize the two sports are not anything alike but....when NASCAR catches someone using drugs they will remove them from NASCAR. This is to keep the other drivers safe and that is the goal here, to keep players safe. Peyton and Williams should be permanently removed from the NFL. The NFL will never yank a trophy, if they didn't when they busted the pats they never will.
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Re: Saints investigated for "Bounty Program"

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While stripping their trophy would make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, it's absurd to think that they would actually do it, especially if they didn't do it for the spygate team. I'm just waiting for the punishment for the 22-27 players that were involved. I really hope that Brees was one of them. It's complete BS that he's pretending like he didn't know anything about it, and as one of the players on the executive committee on the NFLPA, I think he should get hit the hardest. It's his job to make sure that the game is fair and played safely. The more he plays Mr. Innocent, the more I lose a helluva lot of respect for him.
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Brad Johnson a Bounty Target In 2006

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... n-in-2006/
Citing multiple anonymous players, David Elfin writes at the Washington, D.C., CBS affiliate that when the Redskins opened the 2006 season against the Vikings, Williams (who was then the team’s defensive coordinator) made a specific point of telling his players to go after Brad Johnson, the Vikings quarterback who had previously played for the Redskins.

“Gregg came in and dropped $15,000 on the [table] and said, ‘Brad Johnson doesn’t finish this game,’” one player said.
WTF is this guy's problem? Did we refuse to offer him a job or something and that is why he has it out for our team?

Get this POS out of the damn league for good. :steamed:
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... n-in-2006/
Citing multiple anonymous players, David Elfin writes at the Washington, D.C., CBS affiliate that when the Redskins opened the 2006 season against the Vikings, Williams (who was then the team’s defensive coordinator) made a specific point of telling his players to go after Brad Johnson, the Vikings quarterback who had previously played for the Redskins.

“Gregg came in and dropped $15,000 on the [table] and said, ‘Brad Johnson doesn’t finish this game,’” one player said.
All the more reason to award those 2nd rounders to the Vikings. He wasn't working for the Saints then, but this just adds fuel to the already existing fire from the Favre bounty.
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Re: Brad Johnson a Bounty Target In 2006

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Is there any chance of a criminal investigation? Seriously. I mean, in a normal society, people can't just go around offering large sums of $$ to people to hurt/injure/maim other people. It doesn't matter if its in a back alley because someone owes you money, in public because a figure skater is your primary competition in the Olympics, or on a football field.

This guy is a real scumbag. I found his statement that he "accepts full responsibility" rather amusing. Yeah, after he lied about it and tried to cover it up for 3 years and finally the evidence was so great he couldn't lie any more....NOW he takes full responsibility.
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Re: Brad Johnson a Bounty Target In 2006

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agreed the guy should never be allowed back in the league after all of this ..
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Re: Brad Johnson a Bounty Target In 2006

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Wow is all i can say. Williams is a piece of garbage. I mean seriously Brad Johnson? If Brad had a bounty on him i am guessing most, if not all of the QB's the Saints played had targets on them. Football is a dangerous enough game without this crap. I hope the NFL Pete Roses Williams and he is never heard from in the NFL again.

BTW did anyone see the Hornets Clippers game? Apparently one of the Hornets players doesnt watch the news. He went after Blake Griffen intentionatley and tried taking him out. The announcers even made mention to the game being in New Orleans and the Bounty scandal.
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Re: Brad Johnson a Bounty Target In 2006

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I agree with those blasting Williams and I'm glad he was suspended indefinitely. It certainly won't break my heart if he never coaches in the NFL again.

However, while the "money on the table", coach-sanctioned nature of bountygate has everybody justifiably upset and angry, I've said all along that it would be naive to think NFL defenders haven't been trying to beat up QBs for years to throw them off their game or knock them out of games. For decades, the stated goal of many defensive linemen (at least after they left the game and were comfortable talking openly) has been to knock out the opposing QB. It's not new and it would be naive to think it is. I don't know how widespread cash bounties have been (hopefully, they aren't common) but the mentality of hammering an opponent right out of the game is as old as it is ugly. That doesn't mean it's right but it would be naive to think it wasn't going on and it's probably widespread.

All of this is meant to serve as an intro to the stories at the link below, which reveals that our beloved Vikes may have been coaching their defenders to injure opposing quarterbacks:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports ... nents.html

Former Vikings defensive tackle Brad Culpepper claims coaches taught him and teammates how to injure opposing quarterbacks:
... when he broke into the league with the Minnesota Vikings in 1992, he and his defensive teammates were instructed by coaches on the most effective way to injure opposing quarterbacks and knock them out of games.

“We practiced techniques to injure players,” Culpepper said. “We would dive on a mat and aim for the knee portion of a pad like it was the quarterback, and we would practice going at that and trying to bust the quarterback’s knee. You knock the quarterback out, you win the game.”
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Re: Brad Johnson a Bounty Target In 2006

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And people complain about the rule changes to protect QBs...
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Re: Brad Johnson a Bounty Target In 2006

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Demi wrote:And people complain about the rule changes to protect QBs...

Sour graped :P
VikingPaul73 wrote:Is there any chance of a criminal investigation?
That's a good question, but I would guess neither Favre nor Warner will pursue anything, and they would probably be the ones who would have to.
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