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You said it exactly right. You can't trust pro days even under ideal circumstances. 4.22 at the combine I think would be the all time record. He isn't that fast. He probably runs somewhere in the 4.3s normally and that is blazing. Everybody who has seen him play says he plays faster than his combine time of 4.47.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:29 am Jalen Reagor had a "Virtual Pro Day" at which he reportedly ran a 4.22 40, having dropped 10 pounds since the combine. Obviously, it's hard to trust these pro days, but I definitely think his game speed is faster than what he tested at the combine.
Here's a link to the video: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status ... 7591888897
I've seen every game he's played at TCU. In games, Jalen's got tremendous burst / quick twitch, which is evidenced by his 42" vertical (measure at the combine). His release off the line is impressive. He also has an impressive jolt when he gets the ball in space. His 20 yard dash would probably be the best in this WR class, though I'd love to see him vs. Ruggs in this measure.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:09 amYou said it exactly right. You can't trust pro days even under ideal circumstances. 4.22 at the combine I think would be the all time record. He isn't that fast. He probably runs somewhere in the 4.3s normally and that is blazing. Everybody who has seen him play says he plays faster than his combine time of 4.47.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:29 am Jalen Reagor had a "Virtual Pro Day" at which he reportedly ran a 4.22 40, having dropped 10 pounds since the combine. Obviously, it's hard to trust these pro days, but I definitely think his game speed is faster than what he tested at the combine.
Here's a link to the video: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status ... 7591888897
I don't like any of them at 22 because I want to reserve that pick for the great surprise player that falls to 22. I would be fine with any of them at 25. If things fall well for us I would even favor trading back from 25 to 30 or later and get two picks between 30 and 66.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:48 amI've seen every game he's played at TCU. In games, Jalen's got tremendous burst / quick twitch, which is evidenced by his 42" vertical (measure at the combine). His release off the line is impressive. He also has an impressive jolt when he gets the ball in space. His 20 yard dash would probably be the best in this WR class, though I'd love to see him vs. Ruggs in this measure.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:09 am
You said it exactly right. You can't trust pro days even under ideal circumstances. 4.22 at the combine I think would be the all time record. He isn't that fast. He probably runs somewhere in the 4.3s normally and that is blazing. Everybody who has seen him play says he plays faster than his combine time of 4.47.
Looking at teams with needs at WR, https://thedraftnetwork.com/team-needs, two teams just ahead of us, the Raiders (#19) and Eagles (#21), are the threats to take a prospect we may have our eye on. It wouldn't surprise me to see Mims, Jefferson and Reagor go between 19 and 22.
Its pretty fun to trade back with one or both of our 1st rounders in the mock drafts (like PFN) and add some 3rd and 6th round picks in the process. Very interesting to see who is still available at 33 and 34. There are some good prospects there for sure, but I'm with you that if a guy they love slides they should pull the trigger. I can't wait for the draft. Sports withdrawal is for real.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:23 pmI don't like any of them at 22 because I want to reserve that pick for the great surprise player that falls to 22. I would be fine with any of them at 25. If things fall well for us I would even favor trading back from 25 to 30 or later and get two picks between 30 and 66.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:48 am
I've seen every game he's played at TCU. In games, Jalen's got tremendous burst / quick twitch, which is evidenced by his 42" vertical (measure at the combine). His release off the line is impressive. He also has an impressive jolt when he gets the ball in space. His 20 yard dash would probably be the best in this WR class, though I'd love to see him vs. Ruggs in this measure.
Looking at teams with needs at WR, https://thedraftnetwork.com/team-needs, two teams just ahead of us, the Raiders (#19) and Eagles (#21), are the threats to take a prospect we may have our eye on. It wouldn't surprise me to see Mims, Jefferson and Reagor go between 19 and 22.
I like that plan. We'll see how it falls. trading out of 25 is a common thread I'm seeing in lots of Vikings fans' mocks. Like them, I'd rather have a couple of picks in the 35-50 range than just that one at 25. We have the ammo to make that happen. I want to build the trenches. I'd be fine with waiting on WR until round 3 or 4, honestly.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:23 pmI don't like any of them at 22 because I want to reserve that pick for the great surprise player that falls to 22. I would be fine with any of them at 25. If things fall well for us I would even favor trading back from 25 to 30 or later and get two picks between 30 and 66.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:48 am
I've seen every game he's played at TCU. In games, Jalen's got tremendous burst / quick twitch, which is evidenced by his 42" vertical (measure at the combine). His release off the line is impressive. He also has an impressive jolt when he gets the ball in space. His 20 yard dash would probably be the best in this WR class, though I'd love to see him vs. Ruggs in this measure.
Looking at teams with needs at WR, https://thedraftnetwork.com/team-needs, two teams just ahead of us, the Raiders (#19) and Eagles (#21), are the threats to take a prospect we may have our eye on. It wouldn't surprise me to see Mims, Jefferson and Reagor go between 19 and 22.
I wouldn't mind trading back and grabbing Ezra Cleveland and Cesar Ruiz if OL is the priority. Also wouldn't mind Gladney, Reagor, Winfield, and a whole bunch of other dudes in that 33-34 range. So much depends on whether the Vikings are truly all in on Cousins or not, whether they are making some changes to the defense or not, etc. Its a strange off season, but my intuition is that they are trying to rebuild without overtly tanking and losing the fanbase. They are, I think, shedding players and grabbing picks to being a pretty major rebuild. Expect more salary to be sloughed off and traded away next year as they put a whole new face on this franchise.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:04 pmI like that plan. We'll see how it falls. trading out of 25 is a common thread I'm seeing in lots of Vikings fans' mocks. Like them, I'd rather have a couple of picks in the 35-50 range than just that one at 25. We have the ammo to make that happen. I want to build the trenches. I'd be fine with waiting on WR until round 3 or 4, honestly.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:23 pm
I don't like any of them at 22 because I want to reserve that pick for the great surprise player that falls to 22. I would be fine with any of them at 25. If things fall well for us I would even favor trading back from 25 to 30 or later and get two picks between 30 and 66.
I like the way you are thinking here.fiestavike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:10 pmI wouldn't mind trading back and grabbing Ezra Cleveland and Cesar Ruiz if OL is the priority. Also wouldn't mind Gladney, Reagor, Winfield, and a whole bunch of other dudes in that 33-34 range. So much depends on whether the Vikings are truly all in on Cousins or not, whether they are making some changes to the defense or not, etc. Its a strange off season, but my intuition is that they are trying to rebuild without overtly tanking and losing the fanbase. They are, I think, shedding players and grabbing picks to being a pretty major rebuild. Expect more salary to be sloughed off and traded away next year as they put a whole new face on this franchise.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:04 pm
I like that plan. We'll see how it falls. trading out of 25 is a common thread I'm seeing in lots of Vikings fans' mocks. Like them, I'd rather have a couple of picks in the 35-50 range than just that one at 25. We have the ammo to make that happen. I want to build the trenches. I'd be fine with waiting on WR until round 3 or 4, honestly.
I know I'm in the minority, but I still think, along those lines, its possible they trade up to get Tua or Herbert, particularly if one happens to make it past 6. To me, it would fit in well with the potential plan to rebuild without totally tanking, being able to shed tons of salary next year, and being able to re-sign a new nucleus of young players to longterm deals over the next 3-4 years, rather than scraping to retain what they can only to remain moderately competitive until they aren't able to do so any longer. Then they'll be forced into a major rebuild and are much more likely to be looking for new jobs, or retiring to Kentucky ranches sooner rather than later.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:05 pmI like the way you are thinking here.fiestavike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:10 pm
I wouldn't mind trading back and grabbing Ezra Cleveland and Cesar Ruiz if OL is the priority. Also wouldn't mind Gladney, Reagor, Winfield, and a whole bunch of other dudes in that 33-34 range. So much depends on whether the Vikings are truly all in on Cousins or not, whether they are making some changes to the defense or not, etc. Its a strange off season, but my intuition is that they are trying to rebuild without overtly tanking and losing the fanbase. They are, I think, shedding players and grabbing picks to being a pretty major rebuild. Expect more salary to be sloughed off and traded away next year as they put a whole new face on this franchise.
I think the likelihood of the Vikings trading up for a QB are .0001. Spielman and Zimmer are all in w/ Cousins.fiestavike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:29 amI know I'm in the minority, but I still think, along those lines, its possible they trade up to get Tua or Herbert, particularly if one happens to make it past 6. To me, it would fit in well with the potential plan to rebuild without totally tanking, being able to shed tons of salary next year, and being able to re-sign a new nucleus of young players to longterm deals over the next 3-4 years, rather than scraping to retain what they can only to remain moderately competitive until they aren't able to do so any longer. Then they'll be forced into a major rebuild and are much more likely to be looking for new jobs, or retiring to Kentucky ranches sooner rather than later.
I haven't been impressed with Jordan Love, but that's another possibility as I think he'll be there 22.
I agree. A QB this year is unlikely. We need to fill these holes first. It’s all about the overall team we put together. Not just the QBTexas Vike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:41 amI think the likelihood of the Vikings trading up for a QB are .0001. Spielman and Zimmer are all in w/ Cousins.fiestavike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:29 am
I know I'm in the minority, but I still think, along those lines, its possible they trade up to get Tua or Herbert, particularly if one happens to make it past 6. To me, it would fit in well with the potential plan to rebuild without totally tanking, being able to shed tons of salary next year, and being able to re-sign a new nucleus of young players to longterm deals over the next 3-4 years, rather than scraping to retain what they can only to remain moderately competitive until they aren't able to do so any longer. Then they'll be forced into a major rebuild and are much more likely to be looking for new jobs, or retiring to Kentucky ranches sooner rather than later.
I haven't been impressed with Jordan Love, but that's another possibility as I think he'll be there 22.
If we trade up, it'll be for Wirfs, Lamb or a CB. I don't even think they would take Tua if he were to fall to 22. I think we'll devote major draft capital to OL and CB, mid to later rounds to WR and DL.
I really think it depends on how they view the 2020 squad. I don't think they are going to be competing for a championship, so I'd be inclined to make moves primarily aimed at 2-6 years down the road. If that's the case, this is not a bad time to grab a QB. They have the draft capital to do it, they have Kirk's no trade clause out of the way, they have let a bunch of veterans walk, and they have 10 picks after their 1st rounders. They don't appear to be a team putting all their eggs in the 2020 basket. If they are, they are having a very poor offseason. If they are all in on Kirk, that's fine, though I'd be making some very different moves if that were the case. My attempt to square what seem to be contradictory moves is to assume that they are actually looking a couple years down the road rather than focusing on 2020, and that they don't want to telegraph that to the fan base, which would be bad for business.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:41 amI think the likelihood of the Vikings trading up for a QB are .0001. Spielman and Zimmer are all in w/ Cousins.fiestavike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:29 am
I know I'm in the minority, but I still think, along those lines, its possible they trade up to get Tua or Herbert, particularly if one happens to make it past 6. To me, it would fit in well with the potential plan to rebuild without totally tanking, being able to shed tons of salary next year, and being able to re-sign a new nucleus of young players to longterm deals over the next 3-4 years, rather than scraping to retain what they can only to remain moderately competitive until they aren't able to do so any longer. Then they'll be forced into a major rebuild and are much more likely to be looking for new jobs, or retiring to Kentucky ranches sooner rather than later.
I haven't been impressed with Jordan Love, but that's another possibility as I think he'll be there 22.
If we trade up, it'll be for Wirfs, Lamb or a CB. I don't even think they would take Tua if he were to fall to 22. I think we'll devote major draft capital to OL and CB, mid to later rounds to WR and DL.
The extension for Cousins could be considered a safety net for if they can't find a viable replacement in the draft. It is only 2 years, and could be traded if a team like SF is desperate enough. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that if the next Mahomes falls to them in the draft, the Vikings draft him, sit him for a year while he acclimates to the NFL, and then trade Cousins for a 2nd prior to his contract becoming fully guaranteed.fiestavike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:33 amI really think it depends on how they view the 2020 squad. I don't think they are going to be competing for a championship, so I'd be inclined to make moves primarily aimed at 2-6 years down the road. If that's the case, this is not a bad time to grab a QB. They have the draft capital to do it, they have Kirk's no trade clause out of the way, they have let a bunch of veterans walk, and they have 10 picks after their 1st rounders. They don't appear to be a team putting all their eggs in the 2020 basket. If they are, they are having a very poor offseason. If they are all in on Kirk, that's fine, though I'd be making some very different moves if that were the case. My attempt to square what seem to be contradictory moves is to assume that they are actually looking a couple years down the road rather than focusing on 2020, and that they don't want to telegraph that to the fan base, which would be bad for business.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:41 am
I think the likelihood of the Vikings trading up for a QB are .0001. Spielman and Zimmer are all in w/ Cousins.
If we trade up, it'll be for Wirfs, Lamb or a CB. I don't even think they would take Tua if he were to fall to 22. I think we'll devote major draft capital to OL and CB, mid to later rounds to WR and DL.
That direction doesn't seem likely considering the situations of Spielman and Zimmer. The Vikings still have a load of talent and will be in playoff contention. Especially with the additional WC...It would make little sense to move up or draft a QB early.fiestavike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:33 amI don't think they are going to be competing for a championship, so I'd be inclined to make moves primarily aimed at 2-6 years down the road.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:41 am
I think the likelihood of the Vikings trading up for a QB are .0001. Spielman and Zimmer are all in w/ Cousins.
If we trade up, it'll be for Wirfs, Lamb or a CB. I don't even think they would take Tua if he were to fall to 22. I think we'll devote major draft capital to OL and CB, mid to later rounds to WR and DL.