Mothman wrote:
I hear you... tacking on more games would be patently unfair and rather transparent political posturing by the NFL. The league should consider the 8 games missed as time served, determine the length of a suspension as punishment and then take the equivalent amount in game checks (ie: 6 game suspension = 6 game checks). This wasn't an offense that should draw an 8 game suspension and it certainly shouldn't require Peterson to miss more games. Now, if the Vikes decide they don't want him, that would be a different story but from the NFL's point of view, unless the court documents reveal something previously undisclosed that deserves a more substantial punishment, this should be as simple as determining a fine.
I will add, there is supposedly an agreement that was reached between the NFL and the NFLPA when Adrian agreed to go on the Commisioner's/Exempt List that may include language that, in a round about way (not directly stated), concedes that time spent on the list is not considered as "punishment". At least that's what I got out of this:
Indeed, the agreement expressly states, we’re told, that no discipline will be processed until after the pending criminal charges are adjudicated. Which means that the suspension with pay does not constitute discipline, per se.
Peterson may have a legitimate argument that he should be allowed to play prior to his hearing and until formal 'punishment', but if what Florio stated is true, it may be inferred that the punishment for the situation was always coming, regardless of any time he agreed to sit out.
frosted wrote: it may be inferred that the punishment for the situation was always coming, regardless of any time he agreed to sit out.
The problem with all of that is it suggests AD agreed to be placed on the exempt list. I'm pretty sure AD was mandated to go onto that list so how could it be an agreement?
TSonn wrote:
The problem with all of that is it suggests AD agreed to be placed on the exempt list. I'm pretty sure AD was mandated to go onto that list so how could it be an agreement?
J. Kapp 11 wrote:
Really great stuff here. You've summed up my feelings quite well and eloquently.
Here's the thing ... even our mistakes have consequences. If I get in a car drunk and kill somebody, I didn't mean to kill that person. My judgment was poor, but I"m not a murderer. That being said, it's a terrible mistake, and it's a mistake that I would have to pay dearly for. Why? Because society has determined that driving drunk is a crime, and killing someone when you drive drunk is worse. You don't get to say, "It's not a crime unless TMZ catches me," or "Others have driven drunk and not gotten arrested."
Obviously Adrian's mistake isn't as serious as vehicular manslaughter, but it's the point that matters. He disciplined his child. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's admirable. But he lost control and took it too far, as determined by society's standards (which, by the way, are TODAY'S standards, not those of some bygone time in history). That action has consequences, and Adrian is facing those. It does not, however, rise to the level of "Adrian Peterson is a child abuser."
Perfectly stated. I would also like to think that 8 games and a fine is sufficient punishment.
TSonn wrote:
A survey on ProFootballTalk actually indicates that people want to see him on the field again (75/25). Also, your details are way off (300 pounds vs. 215 pounds/5 year old vs. 4 year old). When you make up things to make them worse than they are they will seem much worse than they are.
Edited to take out some of my sass.
+1
This thread might just have to be "watch only" for me from now on or my responses will likely get me warnings.
What, no self control DKS? Because someone doesn't agree theres a problem in the NFL with domestic abuse and believes it wont stop unless a real message is put out.
PurpleKoolaid wrote:What, no self control DKS? Because someone doesn't agree theres a problem in the NFL with domestic abuse and believes it wont stop unless a real message is put out.
LOL, funny stuff.
The Devil whispered in the Viking's ear, "There's a storm coming." The Viking replied, "I am the storm." #SKOL2018
Do you know anyone that was a victim of child abuse? It really isn't funny stuff. And the excuses that the same thing(s) happened to the abuser shouldn't fly in this day and age.
frosted wrote:
No, he and Greg Hardy both had to agree to it.
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Ah, I didn't realize that. Thanks for clearing that up!
Regardless of the "agreement", it looks like the NFLPA believes AD should be reinstated immediately and I can only assume that the NFLPA would know the ins and outs of the exempt list agreement. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -peterson/
t's amazing to me that Goodell and the NFL just keep digging themselves into a deep grave. Per multiple sources, they all agreed that the exempt list was a temporary solution while Peterson dealt with the case. The case has been resolved and per their agreement, he should be reinstated. Goodell talked about being more transparent after the Ray Rice disaster, and the very next major situation that comes up and we have this mess.
It's really simple, Peterson should be reinstated off the commissioner's exempt list. Period. That's their agreement, that's what should happen. If the NFL and the Vikings don't want him to play until the case is reviewed and a decision has been made about his future/punishment, then stop stalling and get the information you need to make a decision. It's not like they only have until Sunday, the Vikings are on a bye week, with the resources available to the NFL, this shouldn't take over 2 weeks to figure out. There's 0 reason for them not to reinstate him at this point, it just continues to make them look shady and hurts their image even more.
Much of the public outrage at the NFL these last few months has focused on domestic abuse, largely because that video of Ray Rice knocking his then-fiancee unconscious was so shocking. But abuse is a vicious cycle, and the league should seize any opportunity to break it.
Peterson can be a powerful voice in that conversation, commanding attention from fellow parents and the public alike because of his celebrity status.
But his message won't have quite the reach if he's a former NFL player. Or an NFL player in limbo.
Now that the legal part of it is over, I think Peterson and the NFL should use this as an opportunity to promote public awareness of the problem.
I'd also be fine if he has to sit the rest of the season. The hard part for me is I've never heard of a switch before. I can't picture in my head how those injuries in the pics can be accomplished without being horrified.
saint33 wrote:t's amazing to me that Goodell and the NFL just keep digging themselves into a deep grave. Per multiple sources, they all agreed that the exempt list was a temporary solution while Peterson dealt with the case. The case has been resolved and per their agreement, he should be reinstated. Goodell talked about being more transparent after the Ray Rice disaster, and the very next major situation that comes up and we have this mess.
It's really simple, Peterson should be reinstated off the commissioner's exempt list. Period. That's their agreement, that's what should happen. If the NFL and the Vikings don't want him to play until the case is reviewed and a decision has been made about his future/punishment, then stop stalling and get the information you need to make a decision. It's not like they only have until Sunday, the Vikings are on a bye week, with the resources available to the NFL, this shouldn't take over 2 weeks to figure out. There's 0 reason for them not to reinstate him at this point, it just continues to make them look shady and hurts their image even more.
I agree that the NFL is once again making a mess for themselves. As things stand now, they could give Peterson an "8 game suspension" and fine him 8 game checks, all while getting him back on the field. Now they are likely to give him a "4 game suspension" or whatever they decide to do, and while he will have less time on the field, the NFL will appear to be softer on their punishment. Nobody will be happy.
This is a complicated issue and the NFL had a great way to levy a huge punishment without prolonging it for another day. They are just setting themselves up to piss everyone off with the way they are handling it now.
The real failure here is the court system. Once again, America shows that if you are rich, you are entitled to escape justice. I have had to testify in many dcfs abuse cases. None of the perps would have gotten a sweet little slap on the wrist like AP did. The pictures of the injuries, his own admission of guilt , and the victim statements of this being a recurrent pattern of abuse are damning. BUT, now that the corrupt court has dismissed this as a minor offense the NFL is in the absurd position of likely being the body that will enforce the most stern consequence! Corporate America is not required to be our source of justice, this should not end up on Goodells shoulders. What a joke...
chicagopurple wrote:The real failure here is the court system. Once again, America shows that if you are rich, you are entitled to escape justice. I have had to testify in many dcfs abuse cases. None of the perps would have gotten a sweet little slap on the wrist like AP did. The pictures of the injuries, his own admission of guilt , and the victim statements of this being a recurrent pattern of abuse are damning. BUT, now that the corrupt court has dismissed this as a minor offense the NFL is in the absurd position of likely being the body that will enforce the most stern consequence! Corporate America is not required to be our source of justice, this should not end up on Goodells shoulders. What a joke...
I think for the most part people on either side of this issue have striven to avoid making such inflammatory statements on this board since it was re-instituted after its brief hiatus. This would be an exception.
