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J. Kapp 11 wrote:I'm really glad AP is showing some contrition about the whole thing. He seems to realize that his stance against the Vikings wasn't warranted, and that his actions with his child were inappropriate.

As a fan and a person, that's all I can ask. Lord knows I've done stupid stuff in my life for which I was forgiven, even though I didn't really deserve it.

I'm also happy to have the Vikings WHOLE as a team. With Peterson in the lineup, I'm cautiously optimistic about our (gulp) playoff chances.
I know what you mean about having the Vikings WHOLE as a team. My thoughts exactly.

Bottom line, Peterson is the Vikings RB and the Vikings are his team. I think Zimmer is helping that marriage be a better one.
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Mike Zimmer's unrelenting support of Adrian Peterson pays off

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... n-pays-off
Zimmer never came off as a Vikings operative. Nor was he, in any way, just kissing Peterson's rear end to get his best player back in the building. As he saw it, it was never -- couldn't be -- about the Vikings vs. Peterson or the NFL vs. Peterson. It had to be about him and Peterson.

And in this otherwise complicated landscape, making it that way proved to be enough.

Even if Zimmer won't take credit for it, others saw it. And they know.

"I don't know, honestly. I don't know," Zimmer said, after Thursday's practice. "You'd have to ask him those things. I just know how I felt. And I felt like this is one of my guys and I'm gonna support him 100 percent all the way. That's all I tried to do."
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Getting Zimmer has been such a blessing, I really think he'll be the one to lead us to the promised land, guys want to play for him and give it their all and he actually KNOWS what he's doing, it's an incredibly powerful combination. Rick's getting him the players he needs too, this year may just be special.
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Mothman wrote: Souhan's view isn't objective. It's clearly subjective, strongly influenced by his personal feelings.
Maybe I didn't phrase that right.

In this case, it's almost impossible to have a purely objective view of the situation, yet Fiesta's comments imply he does and Souhan is the one with the perspective issue. I'd say that claim can easily be flipped on its head. In other words, Souhan's view isn't objective, but neither is Fiesta's. I'd say both have ignored facts that don't support their viewpoints (although I continue to believe Souhan is closer to the majority than Fiesta).
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VikingLord wrote:Maybe I didn't phrase that right.

In this case, it's almost impossible to have a purely objective view of the situation, yet Fiesta's comments imply he does and Souhan is the one with the perspective issue. I'd say that claim can easily be flipped on its head. In other words, Souhan's view isn't objective, but neither is Fiesta's. I'd say both have ignored facts that don't support their viewpoints (although I continue to believe Souhan is closer to the majority than Fiesta).
The majority view isn't necessarily the most accurate view so whether Souhan is closer to the majority view or not doesn't seem terribly relevant.

As you said, we all view what happened through our own lens. Inevitably, everybody's view on this ends up being subjective.
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Texas Vike wrote:On a somewhat related note: I was at my son's pediatrician's office recently and I found it VERY interesting that the standard literature that they distribute about best parenting practices included a long section on NOT using spanking or other corporal punishments to correct a child's behavior. I was pleasantly surprised. There was plenty of discussion in relation to the AD incident in the press and on message boards that there are major cultural differences between the North and the South/ TX regarding child rearing. I get the sense that is a lot less true in urban areas.

You know, you could argue that the world we live in is a better place because of this whole incident. Every time Peterson goes on the field, gets interviewed, or is on TV, the topic of child abuse/coproral punishment will inevitably be discussed somewhere.
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Man I was watching the OTA's .. Peterson still looks so quick and fast and in incredible shape..

The guy is just a genetic freak ...
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Adrian Peterson's return to Vikings is smooth
“Everybody was welcoming him with open arms. Everyone was happy,” cornerback Captain Munnerlyn said. “They were like, ‘AD! You’re back!’ So everybody was happy that he came back. All along, we were just hoping that he was going to come back through those doors and he did.”

That even includes second-year running back Jerick McKinnon, who surrendered his starting spot when Peterson returned.

“It’s an opportunity to learn from the best running back in the game,” McKinnon said. “The physical standpoint of athletes at this level is going to take care of itself. But it’s more about the mental aspect and knowledge and stuff like that. So I just get to learn more from him, keep growing.”
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Welcome back? Adrian Peterson's return doesn't mean all is forgotten

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_282 ... t-mean-all
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dead_poet wrote:Welcome back? Adrian Peterson's return doesn't mean all is forgotten

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_282 ... t-mean-all

Thanks for the link. That was a good read.
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@AccessVikings The NFLPA’s motion to hold Roger Goodell in contempt re: the Adrian Peterson case will be heard by Judge David Doty in Mpls on Aug. 13.
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Controversial Topic, Adrian Peterson

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I hail back to the Bud Grant teams of the 70's. I've seen 3 of our 4 Super Bowl teams. Missed Super Bowl IV because I was too young. I still appreciate Fran, Chuck, Carl and Alan, the Purple People Eaters, and many others. I've met Nate Wright, who lives here in Tucson, where my shack is. Great guy. He says "Pearson pushed off." About dang time Mick gets in that place down in Canton.

I'm opinionated, and old. Maybe too old for a forum. I don't know. But I love this stupid game. Football today isn't the same as those days. It's better in some ways, worse in others.

When the allegations of child abuse surfaced against Adrian Peterson like many, I was sick. I tend to agree with what Fran Tarkenton said when this all hit the light of day. http://mmqb.si.com/2014/12/05/nfl-fran- ... n-iii-rg3/

"I followed the Clippers thing. That owner [Donald Sterling] didn’t get indicted for any crime, but the racial comments he made were totally inappropriate, and we took a stand. The whole world and the NBA, we have zero tolerance to racism. And I think that’s right. I agree with that. But I also think we ought to have zero tolerance to child abuse and domestic violence. I don’t think [Peterson] should play again in the NFL. I don’t think Ray Rice should play again. Either we have zero tolerance, or we don’t. And what is more egregious than domestic violence and child abuse? I don’t know of anything, unless you kill somebody."

To some that may sound harsh. Fran is old school, and I just happen to agree with him. But it isn't this comment so much that I agree with. It is the one directly above it in that linked article.

"Next year he’ll be 30, and I think the Vikings are building for the future. Running backs as we know, as certain as anything, after age 30 they’re not the same people. I think [the Vikings] are doing the right thing, building their defense. When you think about their offense playing pretty pedestrian all year, the defense has played great. I think they’ve got the foundation of defense, and that’s very important. I’d like to see them move on from Adrian Peterson, because they need to be trying to look at their franchise beyond next year. Build it solidly from the ground up, and put the pieces in place, and start with new running backs and new wide receivers, and get a solid offensive line going, and then do the best you can with quarterbacks. And again, Teddy Bridgewater doesn’t have to be a franchise quarterback. He has to be a good workman-like quarterback to help this team win."

Build for the future. That's what I want to see this team do. I work with a pair of Vikings fans who actually hail from Minnesota, (I don't) but who moved down here to Arizona, and like me are in a construction business. Tommy disagrees with me, Gary agrees with me. I am wondering how the rest of you feel. Please allow me to make the same argument I made with them.

Right now this team is sitting at around $9.6 million under the 2015 Salary Cap. Peterson is 30, and I agree with Fran the man, after 30 RBs drop off. I think I read somewhere that after 30 only 2 RBs in NFL History have gained 5000 yards. If I am not mistaken that was Marcus Allen and Emmitt Smith. No disrespect is meant to Peterson's talent, but the man costs this team $15.4 million in salary. If we get rid of him right now this team will be just over $22 million under the Cap.

Now let me get into this build for the future thing. If we spend only about $3 million of that remaining cap room this year to sign players off the street when injuries occur, we can roll the rest into 2016. With Peterson off the books in 2016, we would currently be looking at just under $31.4 million under the Cap for 2016. However, if we roll that $19 million I am talking about into 2016 we would be $50 million under the cap.

In this day of Free Agency, that is how you can build a team to whip the dadgum Packers rear ends down the road and put the Lions back into obscurity where they belong. The Bears are a train wreck, but I want to stay ahead of that train wreck. Like I said, Gary agrees with me, Tommy doesn't. I would rather have the cap room than a 30 year old RB, even if he hadn't taken a switch to his kid.

I heard all the rumors that the Cardinals were interested in him. By the way, having to watch their games flat out sucks. Sorry for the segue, but I had to say it. We all heard how the Cowboys were. We even heard that old Jerry was willing to offer a 1st round pick for the right player. Go steal the dadgum pick from those guys. You give me that cap room and two 1st round picks, and our other picks and I think we can build a team around this young QB to make a sustained run.

For the life of me I can't understand why Wilf, Speilman, and Zimmer (I already like this guy a lot by the way) aren't looking at the bigger picture. Tommy has tried to explain it to me. One thing he says is that with the new stadium coming we need Peterson so they can sell PSL's and all the other funding to finance the team.

I think winning does a better job of selling those things.

Tommy says we need Peterson to win, and that if we had had him last year we might have made the playoffs. I just disagree. Last year we played a soft schedule and only managed to beat some of the worst teams in the entire NFL. The only playoff team we beat was the Panthers and they weren't even a .500 team. Yeah, I agree Peterson could have made a difference in some games. Not enough difference. Just my opinion.

Now I'm looking at this year's schedule and honest to Pete, I can't figure out what Wilf is smoking to think this is a playoff team. I hate to give the Packers credit, but they're damned good. The Lions swept us despite being a decades long laughing stock and I think they did a passable job this off season even if getting rid of that dirty DT probably hurt them a little. I don't think it will be easy to beat them even with Peterson. Denver on the road is not going to be easy. Seattle isn't going to be easy even if their HC is too stupid to run the best short yardage RB in the NFL when the Super Bowl is on the line. Sorry for another segue, but have two Super Bowl winning Head Coaches ever tried harder to lose a Super Bowl than those two? Why wasn't Belicheat calling timeout after that deep catch? For a smart guy that was idiotic. You've got Tom Brady, give him time on the clock to do something.

Again, sorry for the segue. My mind wanders. We're coming down here to Arizona (great stadium by the way if any of you are making the road trip) and they are pretty good with this Arians guy at the helm. San Diego, Kansas City, and San Francisco all are decent teams. I don't mean to sound fatalist, but we might go into our bye week under .500. If we do that and don't capitalize on clearing all that cap room, or we lose Peterson to another knee injury and pay all that sunk cost salary for a 3rd time I am going to be sick.

I'd rather just get him off the books now and build for the future. I don't care if we ship him to the Cowboys after they robbed us on the Herschel Walker deal. Mike Lynn's long gone. I'll take back one of their draft picks, build upon it and feel a little better. I'll take the kid out of Ohio State and be fine with moving on from our greatest RB ever. That greatest RB ever isn't going to carry us to a Super Bowl with this team at 30 years old, fresh legs be damned. Just my opinion. I'm not saying tank the year either. I'd love to shock some teams.

Here's my final kicker. I just can't see us keeping him in 2016 anyway. He's going to cost $15 million and he'll be 31. The wrong side of 30 just doesn't work for me at RB. No one is going to give us a thing for him next year, especially if he doesn't light it up this year. I'd rather cash in now.

So, do you agree with Tommy? Or me and Gary? Sorry for the long post as my first one.

One last thing. I'd love to go get Evan Mathis after that idiot in Philadelphia cut him loose. What is he thinking over there? I'll take Zimmer any day over that dufus. Gonna hit the pool. I'll be interested in your thoughts.
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Heck of a first post, Crash! Welcome to the board!

I personally think that the crux of the matter is that Peterson simply did not garner enough on the trading block to warrant the move. The time to trade him has passed, in my opinion, and at this point with him reunited with the team and saying the right things and apparently with his mind set on helping the team play the best ball it can in 2015, I think we need to play this season with him and then reassess next summer. If his performance this year does not add up to what we are on the books to pay him next season, a change needs to be made. I honestly think that AD is just one minor part of the puzzle. I like what the team is doing at other positions, on D especially. I liked what I saw from Teddy's rookie season. I sense that AD will no longer be the face of the franchise, not only because of the incident, but because this team is much more than one player at this point. When we open our new stadium, I think the concept of team will be our face of the franchise.
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Crash wrote: "I followed the Clippers thing. That owner [Donald Sterling] didn’t get indicted for any crime, but the racial comments he made were totally inappropriate, and we took a stand. The whole world and the NBA, we have zero tolerance to racism. And I think that’s right. I agree with that. But I also think we ought to have zero tolerance to child abuse and domestic violence. I don’t think [Peterson] should play again in the NFL. I don’t think Ray Rice should play again. Either we have zero tolerance, or we don’t. And what is more egregious than domestic violence and child abuse? I don’t know of anything, unless you kill somebody."
I'm hoping this will be my last post in this thread because I'm just so tired of it.

Based on the information that has come out from the beginning of this whole story last year, I think its clear that Peterson accidentally injured his son while disciplining him, which is distinctly different from "child abuse". In the Vikings initial reinstatement of Peterson, Spielman's comments indicated that he made that same distinction, all of the Vikings players who commented on the situation made the same distinction, the Grand Jury in Texas made the same distinction when they refused to bring child abuse charges in the first place, instead bringing the charge of negligent injury.

As stated before, this could have been a good jumping off point for a national conversation about how to appropriately discipline children. Instead its become a convoluted mess caused by the sloppy use of the english language, media sensationalism, and corporate cowardice (the Radisson, the Vikings and the NFL all showed themselves to be completely craven). As an untruth gathers steam its easier to just get out of the way or get on board than to insist on the truth, which is what most people have done.

I'm sure there are many on this board who take my comments in this thread to mean I am a supporter of Adrian Peterson. I am not. Through the years I've consistently been a critic of many of the decisions he's made in his life, including switching a 4 year old (something I would never do), but that doesn't mean I get to ignore the truth.

But for the accidental injury, everything Adrian Peterson did, including taking a switch and hitting his son with it repeatedly, is completely legal and normative across huge swaths of this country and overwhelmingly so in the black community. You could switch your child in front of a police officer and face zero legal repercussions. THATS SOMETHING WORTH TALKING ABOUT. But it has to be discussed honestly. We don't have to say that because it is legal it is alright, but we also can't pretend that that was the crime for which Adrian Peterson was charged. These are important distinctions.
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fiestavike wrote: I'm hoping this will be my last post in this thread because I'm just so tired of it.

Based on the information that has come out from the beginning of this whole story last year, I think its clear that Peterson accidentally injured his son while disciplining him, which is distinctly different from "child abuse". In the Vikings initial reinstatement of Peterson, Spielman's comments indicated that he made that same distinction, all of the Vikings players who commented on the situation made the same distinction, the Grand Jury in Texas made the same distinction when they refused to bring child abuse charges in the first place, instead bringing the charge of negligent injury.

As stated before, this could have been a good jumping off point for a national conversation about how to appropriately discipline children. Instead its become a convoluted mess caused by the sloppy use of the english language, media sensationalism, and corporate cowardice (the Radisson, the Vikings and the NFL all showed themselves to be completely craven). As an untruth gathers steam its easier to just get out of the way or get on board than to insist on the truth, which is what most people have done.

I'm sure there are many on this board who take my comments in this thread to mean I am a supporter of Adrian Peterson. I am not. Through the years I've consistently been a critic of many of the decisions he's made in his life, including switching a 4 year old (something I would never do), but that doesn't mean I get to ignore the truth.

But for the accidental injury, everything Adrian Peterson did, including taking a switch and hitting his son with it repeatedly, is completely legal and normative across huge swaths of this country and overwhelmingly so in the black community. You could switch your child in front of a police officer and face zero legal repercussions. THATS SOMETHING WORTH TALKING ABOUT. But it has to be discussed honestly. We don't have to say that because it is legal it is alright, but we also can't pretend that that was the crime for which Adrian Peterson was charged. These are important distinctions.
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