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VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:05 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:00 pm
Thank you for presenting an alternate point of view.

Here’s what I believe has happened.

The consensus this year among scouts and GMs — not the dudes who do mock drafts — is that maybe, MAYBE 15-18 players actually have as much as a first-round grade. That means everybody outside the top 18 probably shouldn’t be taken in the first round. I mean, Jahan Dotson went at 16, and lots of scouts had him as a 2nd rounder at best. He’s certainly no Justin Jefferson, who went at 22.

If you aren’t going to get real value at 12, then getting multiple early picks isn’t the worst strategy in the world. So maybe KAM, seeing that the truly best players were long gone by 12, got 32 & 34 because everybody after 15 was pretty much the same. Look, he didn’t trade for late rounders. These SHOULD be players who can contribute right away or even start.

Not thrilled about giving up 46 for 66, but I’m willing to wait and see how this shakes out. Like all draft-day trades, there’s no way of knowing how this will work out until the players put on the uniform and get on the field. But worst trade ever? Remember, this is the same franchise that moved up to draft Christian Ponder — at 12, ironically.

This sounds like the typical talking yourself into liking the move after we make it stuff. If the value ended at 18 we should have kept the pick and got somebody. Value is never flat from 12 to 32.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:10 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:05 pm
This sounds like the typical talking yourself into liking the move after we make it stuff. If the value ended at 18 we should have kept the pick and got somebody. Value is never flat from 12 to 32.

Thanks, but I don’t need you deciding what my motives are. I mean, are you really that arrogant?

The consensus this year among scouts and GMs — not the dudes who do mock drafts — is that maybe, MAYBE 15-18 players actually have as much as a first-round grade.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:00 pm

Cliff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:09 pm In an attempt to be positive ...

It's possible nobody they thought was worth it was there at 12 and rather than force it they took what they could get. They've got what amounts to 2 low first rounders now and got an extra pick.

Anyway, we didn't want a traditional GM that is necessarily reading from the same point system chart that is used by every organization covering the draft.

Thank you for presenting an alternate point of view.

Here’s what I believe has happened.

The consensus this year among scouts and GMs — not the dudes who do mock drafts — is that maybe, MAYBE 15-18 players actually have as much as a first-round grade. That means everybody outside the top 18 probably shouldn’t be taken in the first round. I mean, Jahan Dotson went at 16, and lots of scouts had him as a 2nd rounder at best. He’s certainly no Justin Jefferson, who went at 22.

If you aren’t going to get real value at 12, then getting multiple early picks isn’t the worst strategy in the world. So maybe KAM, seeing that the truly best players were long gone by 12, got 32 & 34 because everybody after 15 was pretty much the same. Look, he didn’t trade for late rounders. These SHOULD be players who can contribute right away or even start.

Not thrilled about giving up 46 for 66, but I’m willing to wait and see how this shakes out. Like all draft-day trades, there’s no way of knowing how this will work out until the players put on the uniform and get on the field. But worst trade ever? Remember, this is the same franchise that moved up to draft Christian Ponder — at 12, ironically.

Dakotavike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:17 pm At this point I say we grab Willis. Why not? 5th year option. Develop him and see if we an option besides Cousins.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:18 pm

Dakotavike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:17 pm At this point I say we grab Willis. Why not? 5th year option. Develop him and see if we an option besides Cousins.

It's probably because teams realize he won't be any good.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:11 pm The last player I was psyched for at all DeVonte Wyatt just went.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:18 pm

Dakotavike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:17 pm At this point I say we grab Willis. Why not? 5th year option. Develop him and see if we an option besides Cousins.

It's probably because teams realize he won't be any good.