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Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:02 am
by Pondering Her Percy
Purple bruise wrote:Lifting a Cheerio and getting hurt :? Man, McKinnon had 34 reps with 225 lbs. at the combine I think you are waaaay of base PHP/Mike, this guy is an animal, strength wise and was a fluke hurting himself IMO and had nothing to do with lifting any brand of breakfast cereal :lol:
:lol: no I'm not questioning his strength I was just being sarcastic with that. My point being, getting seriously hurt lifting weights at his age isn't really the greatest sign of being a workhorse/full time RB and taking a pounding every game in the future. Which I why I think there is no way we get rid of AP at this point now that the draft is over. You can't rely on McKinnon and Asiata. You just honestly can't. One has question marks and the other couldn't make a guy miss if his life depended on it. We need a running game to help Teddy and at this point, our only hope is that moron, yet overly talented AP guy

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:03 am
by fiestavike
chicagopurple wrote:AP got screwed?!?! Really?? He abused a little 5 yr old boy
believe me, the whole world knows this is your position by now. Its not the only position one can hold, its just yours.
chicagopurple wrote:(one of a horde of illegitimate kids he has spawned then deserted), he blithely tells a detective that his is smoking dope, gets paid for a year to sit on his azz, he repetitively gets busted for driving like a mad man thru town at 90 mph, and spends months whining about how mistreated he feels......just another spoiled athlete thug.
None of this has anything to do with the topic at hand.

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:15 am
by Mothman
mansquatch wrote:This doesn't deserve to end and AP deserves all the fire he is getting. People seem to forget that nobody made him take a switch to his kid.
Nobody has forgotten and since people feel compelled to remind us of that fact again and again and again, I don't think there's any danger of it being forgotten soon. However, the catalyst for a series of actions is not the only part of that chain of events that matters. Yes, Peterson's behavior was the first step leading to this situation but it's not the only thing of consequence and the incident with his son is over. It's done. He expressed regrets, dealt with the legal system, dealt with the league's penalties, the loss of commercial opportunities, the backlash from the public, etc. He reconciled the situation with his ex to the point where he can interact with his son again. Nobody has to forgive him if they don't want to forgive him but he's allowed to move on. His life didn't come to a complete and abrupt halt with that single action and as a human being, he's still entitled to have feelings and opinions about where he works, how he's treated, etc.
Then after the team pays him a gigantic sum of money last year while suspended he turns around and pulls this crap about wanting to leave.
They didn't give him anything. They were contractually obligated to pay him and almost certainly did so because he's a valuable asset to them. That wasn't an act of charity.

Constantly overlooked or dismissed in all the ire from fans who feel jilted by Peterson's reported desire to play elsewhere is the possibility that he may actually have very good reasons to want to play elsewhere. If so, he's entitled to act on them, to act in what he feels are the best interests of himself and his family.
I'm mad for the same reason I've been mad through this whole process. When AP's suspension and pissing match with Goodell and League was going on, we the fan base were ultimately the ones who got screwed.
... and if, as reports have suggested, the Vikings worked with the league to keep Peterson off the field for the remainder of the 2014 even after he had come off the exempt list and Vincent had given him the impression he would be able to play again last year, we fans got screwed again... by the Vikings.
Now AP is pulling this quasi hold out crap and again, it is we the fan base who are getting screwed.


How are we being screwed now? Peterson's missing voluntary workouts. That's no big deal. Was he screwing us when he did the exact the same thing under friendlier circumstances in the past?
So I do not care about the NFL being a business or AP needing to protect his livelihood or any of that other crap. At the end of the day, I'm a fan, and right now I (we) am getting screwed by this. My team will have less opportunity to win a championship this year because this clown is being a spoiled brat and not putting the team first.
Why should he put the team first? It seems to me his family should come first and we'd all be naive to think the Vikings, or any other team, would put a player first if he was an easily discarded asset. Peterson is fortunate that he's not because if he was, I doubt he would have even remained a Viking through last October.
Winning is all I really care about when it comes to the Vikings and this jerk is making it harder to achieve after all the gratitude (and patience) we the fans (and the organization) have shown him. He deserves every iota of ire we direct towards him.
Again, he wanted to to get back on the field and help the team win last season and he hasn't missed anything but voluntary offseason programs this offseason. I doubt that's going to make much difference in the team's W/L record this season.
So, yes, I support Spielman in standing firm and sticking it to this guy, at this point he is the only person doing something that actually supports us, the fan base. AP can make this better only by coming out this season, being a team player, and playing hard, reminding us of why we used to love the guy.
... and at this point we have no idea if he will do that or not. Teams and players play "chicken" like this all the time when one of them wants something and the other is reluctant to cooperate. As often as not, these situations are resolved well before meaningful games begin again.

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:20 am
by Mothman
fiestavike wrote: believe me, the whole world knows this is your position by now. Its not the only position one can hold, its just yours.
None of this has anything to do with the topic at hand.
I'm just wondering where that detective came from! :lol:

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:36 am
by PurpleKoolaid
Pondering Her Percy wrote: :lol: no I'm not questioning his strength I was just being sarcastic with that. My point being, getting seriously hurt lifting weights at his age isn't really the greatest sign of being a workhorse/full time RB and taking a pounding every game in the future. Which I why I think there is no way we get rid of AP at this point now that the draft is over. You can't rely on McKinnon and Asiata. You just honestly can't. One has question marks and the other couldn't make a guy miss if his life depended on it. We need a running game to help Teddy and at this point, our only hope is that moron, yet overly talented AP guy
Wow, when we drafted McKinnon, you thought it was the best move in Vikings history (slight exaggeration there, but you like exaggerating). Now, after a whole half of a season, we cant rely on him? :confused:

Dont forget Asiata on his short yardage, and nose for the endzone. Ive never been a huge fan of his, but he does his job. I just dont see AD playing for us. I see fines coming before I see him giving in. He wants to be as much of a pain in Rick's side as he can be. Because he is a spoiled diva.

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:51 am
by dead_poet
@GoesslingESPN Mike Zimmer with as strong a statement as he's made on Peterson: "He's got two choices. He can play for us or not play."

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 12:00 pm
by mansquatch
Jim I just do not agree. Simply put, at this stage AP is making it harder, not easier, for the Vikings to win a championship. His motives are obviously selfish and it is going to take a lot more rationalizing for me to feel differently about it. We the fan base have been completely hosed in this entire process. Rational or not, he is now the one who is causing it to prolong and I find his motivations completely suspect.

Just as you said, we were contractually obligated to pay him, he was contractually obligated to deliver a certain level of performance. Does anyone feel like he did that? And don't feed me a bunch of technocratic legalese about this clause or that clause. NFL players ultimately get contracts to play the game. Sure there are bunch of riders, clauses, etc. At some point performance is the root of the deal. I feel the Vikings in spirit have more than held up their end of the bargain. It is time for AP to hold up his.

What is interesting to me in this whole soap opera is how the fans have been treated by the NFL and even in some respects the Media. We ARE the NFL's customer base, but via broadcast mediums and other things, we are highly detached from the product. Mostly this is due to quantity. Quite simply, it is hard to anger 100 million people all at once. The consequence of this is that we as fans have zero voice individually, but the loudest voice together. The ONLY reason this escapade has gone on as long and as dysfunctional as it has is because the fans do not have a united way to completely boycott the team and league. If the entire country got up and said "Hey give AP a pass" what do you think would happen? Likewise, if the entire fan base said AP you better play or you are banned" he'd be in practice tomorrow at 6AM sharp. (Conversely, do you think the NFL would have still suspended AP and Ray Rice if the popular media hasn't blasted them for it? This is all a morale charade. If the NFL really cared about conduct, this stuff would have been handled LONG before it ever hit the 6PM News.)

However, since we are not one voice, we have no voice, and thus our considerations, despite being the source or the profits of the league, are listened only in so far as to prevent a unified response. Put another way the NFL only cares about that which causes a large enough percentage of us to stir. Complacency is their friend and I'm sick of being complacent about it. We the fans got hosed in this deal, there is nothing we can do about it, but it has left a lasting sour taste in my mouth when it comes to the NFL. Heck, the only person how had it worse than us in this deal was AP's poor kid. He at least has the criminal justice system to rely on. We just keep getting the shaft.

I'm sure I'm not adding any value to this, but I know I'm not the only person who down deep is annoyed by this. My wife and I are both less likely to enjoy the NFL. We know that in the big scheme of things, we the customers of the NFL are not that important to the league and thus the product is slipping. (the rules changes are another reason.) It gets easier to go fishing every year...

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 12:01 pm
by mansquatch
dead_poet wrote:
Zimmer is a big reason I will probably still watch the Vikings.

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 12:53 pm
by Mothman
mansquatch wrote:Jim I just do not agree. Simply put, at this stage AP is making it harder, not easier, for the Vikings to win a championship. His motives are obviously selfish and it is going to take a lot more rationalizing for me to feel differently about it. We the fan base have been completely hosed in this entire process. Rational or not, he is now the one who is causing it to prolong and I find his motivations completely suspect.


Fair enough, although honestly, I'm not simply rationalizing, I'm empathizing (or at least trying to empathize). I think Peterson's motivations in this situation should be selfish. I believe his first priority should be to his family and himself, just as the Vikings first priority is to their organization and themselves. Loyalty should play a part but loyalty is a two way street.
Just as you said, we were contractually obligated to pay him, he was contractually obligated to deliver a certain level of performance. Does anyone feel like he did that? And don't feed me a bunch of technocratic legalese about this clause or that clause. NFL players ultimately get contracts to play the game. Sure there are bunch of riders, clauses, etc. At some point performance is the root of the deal. I feel the Vikings in spirit have more than held up their end of the bargain. It is time for AP to hold up his.
It seems to me that he's been holding up his end of the bargain throughout his career so I assume you're talking about playing time last season. By doing something that caused him to be suspended and miss games, he definitely failed in that respect last year. However, while his actions where the catalyst for that missed time, one of the issues reportedly at stake here is that it was the Vikings, working in concert with the league, who kept Peterson from being able to come back and perform last year. I still think the significance of this to the bigger picture keeps getting overlooked. If it's true, Peterson wanted to play the game, wanted to perform and heh was prevented from doing so by the team. If the Vikes worked to keep their own star player off the field, how were they holding up their end of the bargain you refer to above?

I'm still of the opinion that there's likely more to this than meets the eye, that promises of support were broken or that things were said of such a personal nature that bridges were burned. Maybe there's no more to this than what's been reported and what we already know but I doubt it. I suspect the wounds run deep all around in this scenario.
What is interesting to me in this whole soap opera is how the fans have been treated by the NFL and even in some respects the Media. We ARE the NFL's customer base, but via broadcast mediums and other things, we are highly detached from the product. Mostly this is due to quantity. Quite simply, it is hard to anger 100 million people all at once. The consequence of this is that we as fans have zero voice individually, but the loudest voice together. The ONLY reason this escapade has gone on as long and as dysfunctional as it has is because the fans do not have a united way to completely boycott the team and league. If the entire country got up and said "Hey give AP a pass" what do you think would happen? Likewise, if the entire fan base said AP you better play or you are banned" he'd be in practice tomorrow at 6AM sharp. (Conversely, do you think the NFL would have still suspended AP and Ray Rice if the popular media hasn't blasted them for it? This is all a morale charade. If the NFL really cared about conduct, this stuff would have been handled LONG before it ever hit the 6PM News.)


You'll get no argument from me on those points. Well said.
However, since we are not one voice, we have no voice, and thus our considerations, despite being the source or the profits of the league, are listened only in so far as to prevent a unified response. Put another way the NFL only cares about that which causes a large enough percentage of us to stir. Complacency is their friend and I'm sick of being complacent about it. We the fans got hosed in this deal, there is nothing we can do about it, but it has left a lasting sour taste in my mouth when it comes to the NFL. Heck, the only person how had it worse than us in this deal was AP's poor kid. He at least has the criminal justice system to rely on. We just keep getting the shaft.

I'm sure I'm not adding any value to this, but I know I'm not the only person who down deep is annoyed by this. My wife and I are both less likely to enjoy the NFL. We know that in the big scheme of things, we the customers of the NFL are not that important to the league and thus the product is slipping. (the rules changes are another reason.) It gets easier to go fishing every year...
You're certainly not alone in feeling disillusioned with the NFL these days. I'm feeling that too and in no small part due to this Peterson situation. As i said above, loyalty is a two way street and the NFL isn't showing enough loyalty to the fans or players that have helped it become the money-making juggernaut it is today.

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 12:56 pm
by Mothman
dead_poet wrote:
LOL! That's quintessential Zimmer and it wouldn't surprise me if it's as much a reaction to repeatedly being asked about this as to anything else. It reflects why agents recommend staying away from teams as a course of action when they want something. They can rely on the media to steadily barrage coaches, GMs, players, etc, with questions until the matter is resolved and no matter who you are, that has to get irritating after a while.

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 3:31 pm
by 808vikingsfan

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 3:47 pm
by dead_poet
808vikingsfan wrote:PAUL ALLEN [KFAN]: NUMEROUS VETERANS SAY AD HAS TOLD THEM HE WILL PLAY FOR THE TEAM IN 2015, JUST NEEDS TO HANDLE “BUSINESS SIDE OF THINGS”

Nothing really at the link. Just someone posting what he heard on the radio
That's nice to hear but what happens when he doesn't get any more guaranteed cash?

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 3:59 pm
by soflavike
Mothman wrote:They didn't give him anything. They were contractually obligated to pay him and almost certainly did so because he's a valuable asset to them. That wasn't an act of charity.

Constantly overlooked or dismissed in all the ire from fans who feel jilted by Peterson's reported desire to play elsewhere is the possibility that he may actually have very good reasons to want to play elsewhere. If so, he's entitled to act on them, to act in what he feels are the best interests of himself and his family.
Wait a minute... Doesn't the same contract that obligated the Vikings to pay him during his hiatus also obligate Peterson to play for the Vikings this season? :confused:

The Vikes made a serious committed to #28 with a long-term deal and Peterson signed it and cashed every check.

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 4:10 pm
by Mothman
dead_poet wrote: That's nice to hear but what happens when he doesn't get any more guaranteed cash?
Ouch! I'm not so sure he won't...

Hopefully, that statement attributed to Allen above is true. Meanwhile, Peterson will apparently continue to be a whining, crying, baby, jerk, brat, ahole", thug (and that's just what he's been called in the last page or so of this thread! He's really a beloved figure right now). ;)

Re: Adrian Peterson Reinstated

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:19 pm
by 808vikingsfan
Is it common for a potential HOF player not to have a secure contract with years left in his prime? I know players like Rice, Montana, E.Smith, all played for other teams at the end of their career but I'm guessing that was because their production wasn't valued by their original teams . It's pretty clear the Vikings still think Peterson will be a big part of this offense otherwise they would've drafted differently.