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IIRMC there is an NFL rule that prohibits teams from interviewing any member of a coaching staff of a playoff team during the playoffs.

I am glad we didn't get Lovie Smith.

All of the “Rick Speak” stuff is frankly amusing. Spielman as the GM has to play his cards close to his vest. He cannot risk alienating a player as it might be found irritating to a prospective player they wish to sign. Ditto on Coaches. If Rick went fully off on Frasier (for whatever) then what impression might that give to a prospective hire, especially if it is someone with multiple offers? This kind of corporate double talk is infuriating, but it is a necessary evil. People need to remember that the NFL is a business and Spielman has to play that game, not the game KFAN wants him to play.

mansquatch wrote:IIRMC there is an NFL rule that prohibits teams from interviewing any member of a coaching staff of a playoff team during the playoffs.

They can do it but they need permission from the coach's current team. The rules may also require that the coach's team be on a playoff bye week.

I would much rather prefer that the coach or DC decides the system and then have the GM draft accordingly. It strikes me that that RS and LF may have had some disconnects there.

The Breeze wrote:I would much rather prefer that the coach or DC decides the system and then have the GM draft accordingly. It strikes me that that RS and LF may have had some disconnects there.

For sure, I'm a Spielman guy, but even if you weren't it's hard to say it doesn't make sense to let him pick the coach and try to unite this team under an aligned goal. The triangle of authority and even now when Spielman is GM but didn't hire Frazier leaves too much of a "he said, she said" scenario. I mean look at all these reports where you have both sides trying to redirect the blame. I'd say it's almost certain there were some "disconnects" there hehe.

mondry wrote: For sure, I'm a Spielman guy, but even if you weren't it's hard to say it doesn't make sense to let him pick the coach and try to unite this team under an aligned goal. The triangle of authority and even now when Spielman is GM but didn't hire Frazier leaves too much of a "he said, she said" scenario. I mean look at all these reports where you have both sides trying to redirect the blame. I'd say it's almost certain there were some "disconnects" there hehe.

I agree. Whether you are in Spielman's corner or Frazier's or neither, if the team is to have top to bottom cohesion those guys need to be linked up in a common order.

I used the term "disconnect" benignly... I would wager it was much testier than that. Having somewhat aloof owners has created a seriously weird dynamic.

At least, by all appearances, they have decided to run things in a more proven to succeed fashion. It will be a very interesting off season.

The Vikings are reportedly interested in both Bengals coordinators for their head coaching vacancy.
The Vikes won't be able to talk to Mike Zimmer or Jay Gruden until after the Bengals' playoff run. Gruden is an especially intriguing candidate as the Vikings try to get their offense out of the mud and he shares an agent with GM Rick Spielman. Adam Gase, Jack Del Rio, Dan Quinn, Todd Bowles and Darrell Bevell are all expected to get a look from Minnesota as well.
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I would take either of them in a heartbeat. This is great news. They are the top two on my list

Jim Caldwell's name is popping up. I heard he may interview with Detroit and Washington. I wonder if he's another coach on Spielman's radar.

I hope not. Caldwell did well when Manning was in Indy. There was nothing else notable on his resume. Also a Dungy disciple which IMO is losing it's luster.

As for the Spielman drafting for talent vs. scheme, one of the things Spielman and Frasier did was to work with the entire scouting department to determine what type traits they wanted in a player. I presume that included scheme. So at the very least, I think we can give Spielman the benefit of the doubt that if a significant scheme change happens, the drafting will adjust accordingly.

mansquatch wrote:I hope not. Caldwell did well when Manning was in Indy.

I see comments similar to that all the time and they always make me wonder: where are all the coaches who do well without good-to-great players? caldwell was manning's Qb coach for years. perhaps he actually helped manning be so successful. Presumably, he was contributing something.

There was nothing else notable on his resume.

Taking over as Ravens offensive coordinator during last season and helping them win a Super Bowl seems notable.

Caldwell was the head coach of a team that reached the Super Bowl, the offensive coordinator of a team that won the Super Bowl and he spent 6 years as the position coach of one the greatest QBs in the history of the game. That's not a bad resumé. He has two Super Bowl rings to show for his efforts. I'm not saying he'd be one of of my top choices for the job if I was the GM but a guy like that seems worthy of an interview.

As for the Spielman drafting for talent vs. scheme, one of the things Spielman and Frasier did was to work with the entire scouting department to determine what type traits they wanted in a player. I presume that included scheme. So at the very least, I think we can give Spielman the benefit of the doubt that if a significant scheme change happens, the drafting will adjust accordingly.

I assume it would but my point was that i wonder if Spielman himself has a particular vision of what kind of team he's trying to build in the first place.

mansquatch wrote:I hope not. Caldwell did well when Manning was in Indy. There was nothing else notable on his resume. Also a Dungy disciple which IMO is losing it's luster.

As for the Spielman drafting for talent vs. scheme, one of the things Spielman and Frasier did was to work with the entire scouting department to determine what type traits they wanted in a player. I presume that included scheme. So at the very least, I think we can give Spielman the benefit of the doubt that if a significant scheme change happens, the drafting will adjust accordingly.

I suspect this will be part of the interview process: what would you do with the defense (if keep 4/3, what changes, etc.; if 3/4, how would you transition and who would you need).

Same thing would probably also apply to the "big questions" this team faces, such as QB.

Mothman wrote:
I assume it would but my point was that i wonder if Spielman himself has a particular vision of what kind of team he's trying to build in the first place.

This is what I mean when I allude to disconnects between those two. Spielman is as slippery as they come IMO. Hopefully he picks the right coach.

The Breeze wrote: This is what I mean when I allude to disconnects between those two. Spielman is as slippery as they come IMO. Hopefully he picks the right coach.

Amen. And as far as picking coaches, I hope he knows more about that then QBs. Cause hes pretty bad at that. And someone called him a 'draft master'. And I was eating and spit up half of what was in my mouth from laughing so hard. He is good at covering his own behind, i'll give him that.

PurpleKoolaid wrote:Amen. And as far as picking coaches, I hope he knows more about that then QBs. Cause hes pretty bad at that. And someone called him a 'draft master'. And I was eating and spit up half of what was in my mouth from laughing so hard. He is good at covering his own behind, i'll give him that.

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