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Damn, I do not like thatVikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:33 pm I hear we waived Smith-Marsette to make room for Reagor. Not looking good. Almost Identical to the Watts for Blacklock move. We kept Nailor over Smith-Marsette is very surprising.
Wait, what? We waved ISM?VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:33 pm I hear we waived Smith-Marsette to make room for Reagor. Not looking good. Almost Identical to the Watts for Blacklock move. We kept Nailor over Smith-Marsette is very surprising.
That is my thing to. The potential in Reagor is much higher than ISM in my opinion. And honestly even dating back to TCU Reagor hasn’t had much of a pure passer throwing to him. I don’t mind the move. As someone stated above, it’s similar to the Blacklock/Watts situation.Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:23 pm I'm not as high on ISM as most here. I don't think he's anything special. Reason has way more potential and I have faith in our coaching staff to get it out of him.
He is also great at dropping passes.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:12 pm Reagor is ridiculously fast, strong, and a great leaper as well. He hasn't performed up to his athletic ability in the NFL so far.
Nailor was their pick which gave an advantage. I liked ISM upside and he was just getting started. We'll see if any team picks him up. They gave up nothing for Reagor so it's not a bad deal. He basically busted in Philly. If he sucks he's gone. No different than most 7th round picks. If he manages to do something it will cost another pick. It's worth the roll of the dice.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 8:12 am Here's where I'm at: I don't question the choice to trade for Reagor. I know his talent and potential. He has NFL level speed and ability to juke guys. A change of scenery from the toxic Philly media and fan circus is likely to do him a lot of good.
The main issue here is Nailor vs. ISM, and that's where I question Kwesi's judgement. ISM passed the eye test and had the look of someone ready to launch into a contributing role. I think it would be impossible to argue at this point that Nailor is objectively better. With ISM's famous front flip EZ celebration which caused him an injury act as a metaphor for what kind of guy he is... and seeing how he would celebrate mundane catches in preseason games, I'm left to wonder if he just wasn't a good fit culture-wise or if KOC and KAM had character concerns about him. This is all speculation and may be off base. It might well come down to his inability to adequately return punts, something they view as essential for your WR4 and WR5. If there WASN'T a character concern, I think they made a mistake keeping Nailor ahead of ISM.
They gave up a 5th and a 7th rounder for him. It is a little more than nothing.CharVike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:41 amNailor was their pick which gave an advantage. I liked ISM upside and he was just getting started. We'll see if any team picks him up. They gave up nothing for Reagor so it's not a bad deal. He basically busted in Philly. If he sucks he's gone. No different than most 7th round picks. If he manages to do something it will cost another pick. It's worth the roll of the dice.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 8:12 am Here's where I'm at: I don't question the choice to trade for Reagor. I know his talent and potential. He has NFL level speed and ability to juke guys. A change of scenery from the toxic Philly media and fan circus is likely to do him a lot of good.
The main issue here is Nailor vs. ISM, and that's where I question Kwesi's judgement. ISM passed the eye test and had the look of someone ready to launch into a contributing role. I think it would be impossible to argue at this point that Nailor is objectively better. With ISM's famous front flip EZ celebration which caused him an injury act as a metaphor for what kind of guy he is... and seeing how he would celebrate mundane catches in preseason games, I'm left to wonder if he just wasn't a good fit culture-wise or if KOC and KAM had character concerns about him. This is all speculation and may be off base. It might well come down to his inability to adequately return punts, something they view as essential for your WR4 and WR5. If there WASN'T a character concern, I think they made a mistake keeping Nailor ahead of ISM.
I heard that ISM was a bit of a loose cannon off the field and might have rubbed some of his teammates (and possibly coaches) the wrong way. Not sure if that is true but if so it could explain the move as well.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 8:12 am Here's where I'm at: I don't question the choice to trade for Reagor. I know his talent and potential. He has NFL level speed and ability to juke guys. A change of scenery from the toxic Philly media and fan circus is likely to do him a lot of good.
The main issue here is Nailor vs. ISM, and that's where I question Kwesi's judgement. ISM passed the eye test and had the look of someone ready to launch into a contributing role. I think it would be impossible to argue at this point that Nailor is objectively better. With ISM's famous front flip EZ celebration which caused him an injury act as a metaphor for what kind of guy he is... and seeing how he would celebrate mundane catches in preseason games, I'm left to wonder if he just wasn't a good fit culture-wise or if KOC and KAM had character concerns about him. This is all speculation and may be off base. It might well come down to his inability to adequately return punts, something they view as essential for your WR4 and WR5. If there WASN'T a character concern, I think they made a mistake keeping Nailor ahead of ISM.
Great analysis. As for over celebrating IMO Stefon Diggs is the biggest over celebrator in the NFL, but he does OK.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 8:12 am Here's where I'm at: I don't question the choice to trade for Reagor. I know his talent and potential. He has NFL level speed and ability to juke guys. A change of scenery from the toxic Philly media and fan circus is likely to do him a lot of good.
The main issue here is Nailor vs. ISM, and that's where I question Kwesi's judgement. ISM passed the eye test and had the look of someone ready to launch into a contributing role. I think it would be impossible to argue at this point that Nailor is objectively better. With ISM's famous front flip EZ celebration which caused him an injury act as a metaphor for what kind of guy he is... and seeing how he would celebrate mundane catches in preseason games, I'm left to wonder if he just wasn't a good fit culture-wise or if KOC and KAM had character concerns about him. This is all speculation and may be off base. It might well come down to his inability to adequately return punts, something they view as essential for your WR4 and WR5. If there WASN'T a character concern, I think they made a mistake keeping Nailor ahead of ISM.
His physical capabilities make him worth the very slight risk and if he's a great PR and nothing else he was worth it. I'm hopeful of him contributing as a WR also.CharVike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:41 amNailor was their pick which gave an advantage. I liked ISM upside and he was just getting started. We'll see if any team picks him up. They gave up nothing for Reagor so it's not a bad deal. He basically busted in Philly. If he sucks he's gone. No different than most 7th round picks. If he manages to do something it will cost another pick. It's worth the roll of the dice.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 8:12 am Here's where I'm at: I don't question the choice to trade for Reagor. I know his talent and potential. He has NFL level speed and ability to juke guys. A change of scenery from the toxic Philly media and fan circus is likely to do him a lot of good.
The main issue here is Nailor vs. ISM, and that's where I question Kwesi's judgement. ISM passed the eye test and had the look of someone ready to launch into a contributing role. I think it would be impossible to argue at this point that Nailor is objectively better. With ISM's famous front flip EZ celebration which caused him an injury act as a metaphor for what kind of guy he is... and seeing how he would celebrate mundane catches in preseason games, I'm left to wonder if he just wasn't a good fit culture-wise or if KOC and KAM had character concerns about him. This is all speculation and may be off base. It might well come down to his inability to adequately return punts, something they view as essential for your WR4 and WR5. If there WASN'T a character concern, I think they made a mistake keeping Nailor ahead of ISM.