Trent Williams

[fiestavike]

I think Vikings fans have a pretty inflated sense of the value of Harris. He's become a solid homegrown prospect. he's not special. His skill set is not diverse. He's not worth big bucks.

End of the day, LTs are worth a whole lot more than one dimensional safeties. Williams carries risk, but its an easy move to make. If you can clear Reiff and Elflein from the books as well, and maybe get Scherff, that's a move I'd happy pull the trigger on. We might have a legit top of the league OL at that point, for the first time in ages. The big question in all of that is how much do you have to give in order to sign Williams and Scherff longterm. That might be the deal breaker.

[RandyMoss84]

I think Vikings fans have a pretty inflated sense of the value of Harris. He's become a solid homegrown prospect. he's not special. His skill set is not diverse. He's not worth big bucks.

End of the day, LTs are worth a whole lot more than one dimensional safeties. Williams carries risk, but its an easy move to make. If you can clear Reiff and Elflein from the books as well, and maybe get Scherff, that's a move I'd happy pull the trigger on. We might have a legit top of the league OL at that point, for the first time in ages. The big question in all of that is how much do you have to give in order to sign Williams and Scherff longterm. That might be the deal breaker.

So are you saying Harrison is a one dimensional safety too?

[Bowhunting Viking]

I told his brother that if it would happen maybe they will ship Reiff and a draft pick, or if the keep Reiff maybe side him to guard and release Elf. But I said Harris better not be in the deal.
He texted me back and said Kory told William's to call him when he had a chance. So hopefully we will get at least some info soon.

[fiestavike]

I think Vikings fans have a pretty inflated sense of the value of Harris. He's become a solid homegrown prospect. he's not special. His skill set is not diverse. He's not worth big bucks.

End of the day, LTs are worth a whole lot more than one dimensional safeties. Williams carries risk, but its an easy move to make. If you can clear Reiff and Elflein from the books as well, and maybe get Scherff, that's a move I'd happy pull the trigger on. We might have a legit top of the league OL at that point, for the first time in ages. The big question in all of that is how much do you have to give in order to sign Williams and Scherff longterm. That might be the deal breaker.

So are you saying Harrison is a one dimensional safety too?

No, Harrison has always been able to play in the box or the back end, zone or man. That's what has made him special.

[RandyMoss84]

So are you saying Harrison is a one dimensional safety too?

No, Harrison has always been able to play in the box or the back end, zone or man. That's what has made him special.

Got it!

[Pondering Her Percy]

I think Vikings fans have a pretty inflated sense of the value of Harris. He's become a solid homegrown prospect. he's not special. His skill set is not diverse. He's not worth big bucks.

Anthony Harris is 100% worth the money. The main reason being, he's an elite ball hawk. We need guys in the back end that can make plays. I love Harry and he's one of the best Vikings safeties, probably ever but he's also entering the back end of his career. There is a good shot we are starting a rookie or two at CB along with Hughes and maybe Hill, neither being ball hawks. We NEED someone back there that can make plays and that's Harris, along with Harry here and there. There is a good chance our CBs arent generating many TOs this year, heck they didnt last year either and now they are all gone. Harris needs to be kept unless we get some solid compensation for him. I said the same regarding Diggs. I said to my buddy hours before Diggs was traded that the only way I was fine with it is if we got a good haul. We did. Same goes for Harris IMO. I say at least a 2nd or more.

End of the day, LTs are worth a whole lot more than one dimensional safeties. Williams carries risk, but its an easy move to make. If you can clear Reiff and Elflein from the books as well, and maybe get Scherff, that's a move I'd happy pull the trigger on. We might have a legit top of the league OL at that point, for the first time in ages. The big question in all of that is how much do you have to give in order to sign Williams and Scherff longterm. That might be the deal breaker.

I dont think there is any chance Scherff is coming our way. I'm not sure where that is coming from. If we trade for both of them, we have to dish out contracts to both. Hefty ones at that.

[J. Kapp 11]

I think Vikings fans have a pretty inflated sense of the value of Harris. He's become a solid homegrown prospect. he's not special. His skill set is not diverse. He's not worth big bucks.

Anthony Harris is 100% worth the money. The main reason being, he's an elite ball hawk. We need guys in the back end that can make plays. I love Harry and he's one of the best Vikings safeties, probably ever but he's also entering the back end of his career. There is a good shot we are starting a rookie or two at CB along with Hughes and maybe Hill, neither being ball hawks. We NEED someone back there that can make plays and that's Harris, along with Harry here and there. There is a good chance our CBs arent generating many TOs this year, heck they didnt last year either and now they are all gone. Harris needs to be kept unless we get some solid compensation for him. I said the same regarding Diggs. I said to my buddy hours before Diggs was traded that the only way I was fine with it is if we got a good haul. We did. Same goes for Harris IMO. I say at least a 2nd or more.

End of the day, LTs are worth a whole lot more than one dimensional safeties. Williams carries risk, but its an easy move to make. If you can clear Reiff and Elflein from the books as well, and maybe get Scherff, that's a move I'd happy pull the trigger on. We might have a legit top of the league OL at that point, for the first time in ages. The big question in all of that is how much do you have to give in order to sign Williams and Scherff longterm. That might be the deal breaker.

I dont think there is any chance Scherff is coming our way. I'm not sure where that is coming from. If we trade for both of them, we have to dish out contracts to both. Hefty ones at that.

Not to mention, there's not a lot of "long term" in a left tackle that's 32 years old and hasn't played 80% of his team's snaps since 2015. Plus, Scherff got franchise tagged for $14.7 million. How in the world would we ever be able to afford both Williams and Scherff?

[Pondering Her Percy]

Anthony Harris is 100% worth the money. The main reason being, he's an elite ball hawk. We need guys in the back end that can make plays. I love Harry and he's one of the best Vikings safeties, probably ever but he's also entering the back end of his career. There is a good shot we are starting a rookie or two at CB along with Hughes and maybe Hill, neither being ball hawks. We NEED someone back there that can make plays and that's Harris, along with Harry here and there. There is a good chance our CBs arent generating many TOs this year, heck they didnt last year either and now they are all gone. Harris needs to be kept unless we get some solid compensation for him. I said the same regarding Diggs. I said to my buddy hours before Diggs was traded that the only way I was fine with it is if we got a good haul. We did. Same goes for Harris IMO. I say at least a 2nd or more.



I dont think there is any chance Scherff is coming our way. I'm not sure where that is coming from. If we trade for both of them, we have to dish out contracts to both. Hefty ones at that.

Not to mention, there's not a lot of "long term" in a left tackle that's 32 years old and hasn't played 80% of his team's snaps since 2015. Plus, Scherff got franchise tagged for $14.7 million. How in the world would we ever be able to afford both Williams and Scherff?

Yeah we won’t be able to afford both. Not a chance.

As for Williams in the long term, I would say it’s possible he is a long term option because you have guys like Whitworth and Peters that are still playing at a high level well into their late 30s. But injuries are something we definitely need to consider and make sure he is in shape and healthy. Jason Peters is one that has been known to get banged up. He’s missed quite a few games over his career. Whitworth on the other hand has been very consistent health wise. But I think Williams health is definitely a chance I’d still take. He’s considered quite young compared to guys like peters and Whitworth. Williams is 32, Peters and Whitworth are both 38. Williams could definitely be a 5 year player for us.

I think the main thing is, like the eagles did, have a solid depth guy behind him. Philly had Big V who I mocked us signing this year. We have Hill who I don’t think is as good as big V but better than most swing tackles in this league. If we traded for Williams and had someone like TJ Clemmings behind him, we’d be in trouble. If hill had to come in, I don’t see it putting us drastically behind.

On a side note, I looked into it tonight, in the last 3 seasons Williams has played, he’s given up 4 sacks. Reiff has given up 8 in the last 2 years. That puts Reiff at averaging 4 sacks given up a year where Williams is averaging 1.3. That’s how much of an improvement Williams would be in the pass blocking game. Not to mention Williams is also an elite run blocker where Reiff is average at best. I hope to god spielman finds a way to pull this off.

And to add on, I keep seeing that there is going to be a run on tackles in the draft early. If that’s the case and it looks like that’s going to happen, this trade makes that much more sense. Because then we can let the tackles fly off the board which means better CBs and WRs will fall to our range. Imagine landing guys like Kristian Fulton and Justin Jefferson along with landing Williams in a trade?! That gets me excited just thinking about it.

[halfgiz]

Everybody busts on Reiff...But 2 years ago he played through the season with a foot injury.
Last year he was hindered by a sprained ankle for a couple games when someone rolled up on him.
PFF he is ranked - average and his salary isn't terrible.
I for one think if he had a decent LG beside him his play might be better.

I have no problem upgrading at LT but I think Reiff could be service-able for a year while we get a rookie we draft up to speed.

[Bowhunting Viking]

Last night I for a little information passed on from William's. But was also told that he isnbeimhnoretty tight lipped right now because he has to.
But he did.say that there are some decent discussions going on with 3 teams pretty seriously and another team , that he told his agent to not even seriously entertain, is trying to get involved.
When I said Ok but did he say if the Vikes are seriously in the running. His brother just smikesnamd said Tell Proffitt ( that's me), that if things can work can be ironed out that him and Ttent will both be happy, nut alot of details would have to hapoen.
He said his brother all this zbzs with the Skins, and the time off , has definitely given William's time to really get healthy and he is really excited about getting back on the field. Kory was with him and some of his other ex teammates not long ago and said Williams has stayed in really good shape, is feeling great and is really to go. But added that is pretty pissed by the way the Skins handled this whole situation, tried to turn the tables on him and place alot of false blame on him ,drag his name through the mud and ruin his his reputation, so he is VERY motivated to get on a new roster and prove them wrong and contribute again. Kory said Ttent has alot left in the tank is is on a mission , so whoever signs him will be making a great move and improving their Offense immediately.
I hope we can find a way to get it done, but not losing Harris in the process. It will be interesting . I know that William's is prob telling my friend and his brother all that he can at this point, so I will keep sharing more as I learn more. He did also say that another team pushing to get him is Cleveland. They are really oushingvhaed to get him there.

[Bowhunting Viking]

Sorry about all the typing mistakes in that post. Was trying do it and walk the dog at the same time. Well, that didn't work well.

[VikingsVictorious]

Sorry about all the typing mistakes in that post. Was trying do it and walk the dog at the same time. Well, that didn't work well.

I thought you were talking in code due to secrecy concerns

[Bowhunting Viking]

Sorry about all the typing mistakes in that post. Was trying do it and walk the dog at the same time. Well, that didn't work well.

I thought you were talking in code due to secrecy concerns

Now that's funny!! I was trying to hurry and get the post typed out quickly. unfortunately I have been directed by my local and state coronavirus departments to remain in precautionary quarantine die to the coronavirus scare. I live in Ohio and we have been in a stay at home order since this past Monday at midnight.
I am a supervisor at a manufacturing plant that is designated as an essential business so it is business as usual.
Last Sunday I are started out with the typical systems of a a command cold. Unfortunately our health dept did report the first confirmed coronavirus case in our county, and have several people who have been in contact with the individual in quarantine being tested themselves. The guy who is confirmed is a CPA who is a part owner with a private firm that includes 3 other CPA-s, and he is also a very good man who is very active in the community. So to say that he has been in heavy contact with others would be an understatement.
So because of the symptoms I have displayed, added to my age group being in the 55 year old range, but most importantly my cardiac issue history and my wife being a type 1 insulin pump dependent diabetic, we were instructed by both our local and our state level Health dept coronavirus units to self quarantine until April 6th.
In addition, our daughter is in Columbus and works for the State CDC and Dept of public health, so we are being closely monitored.
Fortunately my wifes already been fortunate to have been working remote from home so she is doing fine.
I understand the need to be proactive but I really just feel like I have a cold.
But back to my post. I was trying to post, keep the dog from chasing rabbits and squirrels, see the screen in the sun and dodge texts lol.
So I was trying to provide the info I know so far, but I wasn't try to put it in some type or special NFL secret service code or brush up on my Swalheli Rosettea Stone lesson Haha. Sorry about that.
In my next report if, I get one, I will do it inside and take my time. Lol

[Pondering Her Percy]

Sorry about all the typing mistakes in that post. Was trying do it and walk the dog at the same time. Well, that didn't work well.

I figured you were kicking back beers at a fast pace

[Bowhunting Viking]

Sorry about all the typing mistakes in that post. Was trying do it and walk the dog at the same time. Well, that didn't work well.

I figured you were kicking back beers at a fast pace

Actually that will be later tonight. My buddy feels bad for me since I am in a form of quarantine, and he had some arrows with some damaged vanes to be repaired, and some new shafts to be cut to size and built, so I said ya might as well drop them by and I can get them all redone and build the new ones. Well, much to my surprise whe texted and said they are out by the basement door along with a little help for ya. Man was I glad to open up the bag of vanes, nocks, inserts and arrow wraps and see a beautiful 1.75 bottle of Fireball Whiskey looking back at me lol .
He said I know you always do all my arrow building and deer butchering just for the fun of it, but I know u r herring cabin fever so ENJOY!! SOOO... that bottle will be cracked tonight die sure. The only caveat he added was that I dis the arrows at a separate time than when enjoying the Fireball. So that promise will be fulfilled