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VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:15 pm All of your later round picks sound exactly like guys Spielman will take if they are there. They all have high ceilings and could turn into impact players under the right circumstances.

I like the Wilkins pick in the 1st too. He might be gone by the time #18 comes around, but he's going to be a really good player.

Yeah I can see Wilkins being gone too. But who knows. QBs are gonna go, WRs are starting to shoot up draft boards, the DL class is loaded and some top offensive lineman will go. TEs will go more in the first than any other year. Then splash in a RB and CB here or there. We will have plenty to pick from at 18 which is why I could see us trading down. I can’t wait

S197 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:52 pm

fiestavike wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:51 pm

I like Dillard, but how do you see them utilizing the guys currently rostered if they add a 1st round OT?

I think they would slide Reiff inside and down the road, replace Reiff altogether. Ideally with someone they draft.

So would it be O'Neill at LT, Reiff at LG, Dillard at RT?

To be clear, I'm not against that move, but if we are in 'win now' mode, I have my doubts that this much flux is going to produce the best result in the short term.

How much better is O'Neill, Reiff, Elflein, Kline, Dillard lineup than a Reiff, Elflein, McKoy, Kline, O'Neill lineup for the 2019 season?

Longterm though, I like Dillard and O'Neill as starting tackles.

fiestavike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:51 am

S197 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:52 pm

I think they would slide Reiff inside and down the road, replace Reiff altogether. Ideally with someone they draft.

So would it be O'Neill at LT, Reiff at LG, Dillard at RT?

To be clear, I'm not against that move, but if we are in 'win now' mode, I have my doubts that this much flux is going to produce the best result in the short term.

How much better is O'Neill, Reiff, Elflein, Kline, Dillard lineup than a Reiff, Elflein, McKoy, Kline, O'Neill lineup for the 2019 season?

Longterm though, I like Dillard and O'Neill as starting tackles.

Yeah short term it's highly disruptive and could yield less than desirable results. But like you, having two solid tackles long term is very enticing, especially if Elf can improve. You'd have 60% of your line pretty set and still on rookie contracts. Reiff isn't worth the money no matter what position he plays so I'd rather start looking for his replacement now.

S197 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:00 pm

fiestavike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:51 am

So would it be O'Neill at LT, Reiff at LG, Dillard at RT?

To be clear, I'm not against that move, but if we are in 'win now' mode, I have my doubts that this much flux is going to produce the best result in the short term.

How much better is O'Neill, Reiff, Elflein, Kline, Dillard lineup than a Reiff, Elflein, McKoy, Kline, O'Neill lineup for the 2019 season?

Longterm though, I like Dillard and O'Neill as starting tackles.

Yeah short term it's highly disruptive and could yield less than desirable results. But like you, having two solid tackles long term is very enticing, especially if Elf can improve. You'd have 60% of your line pretty set and still on rookie contracts. Reiff isn't worth the money no matter what position he plays so I'd rather start looking for his replacement now.

I see. You are are far more down on Reiff than I am. I think Reiff is a solid left tackle, and I do think he could be an elite guard.

This was really entertaining. I will say you cheated "not addressing OL in the first". I mean, you did address it in the first and I think most objection to skipping OL in the first is waiting till pick 50. Addressing it at 32 is not exactly not addressing it in the first. Outside of that I liked everything. I don't think Hill is there in the 6th. I think he gets snatched up in the 3rd or 4th. He's a Kamara/Cohen clone. Same with Boykin. Very creative though

fiestavike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:23 pm

S197 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:00 pm

Yeah short term it's highly disruptive and could yield less than desirable results. But like you, having two solid tackles long term is very enticing, especially if Elf can improve. You'd have 60% of your line pretty set and still on rookie contracts. Reiff isn't worth the money no matter what position he plays so I'd rather start looking for his replacement now.

I see. You are are far more down on Reiff than I am. I think Reiff is a solid left tackle, and I do think he could be an elite guard.

What possible reason would you think that Reiff is a solid tackle? Let alone an elite guard. I have never heard anyone say this about him, or he is anything but average. I hope you dont think he is elite because he got a great contract from Rick.

PurpleKoolaid wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:54 pm

fiestavike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:23 pm

I see. You are are far more down on Reiff than I am. I think Reiff is a solid left tackle, and I do think he could be an elite guard.

What possible reason would you think that Reiff is a solid tackle? Let alone an elite guard. I have never heard anyone say this about him, or he is anything but average. I hope you dont think he is elite because he got a great contract from Rick.

He had a good season last year. I would say solid for a starter. He usually isn't a liability (except Buffalo last year). However, I have no idea where he falls as a player now. He isn't as bad as he was last season but not as good as he was in 2017. Not something you want from a LT.

PurpleKoolaid wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:54 pm

fiestavike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:23 pm

I see. You are are far more down on Reiff than I am. I think Reiff is a solid left tackle, and I do think he could be an elite guard.

What possible reason would you think that Reiff is a solid tackle? Let alone an elite guard. I have never heard anyone say this about him, or he is anything but average. I hope you dont think he is elite because he got a great contract from Rick.

Nailed it! Its the contract from Rick. It means he's a pretty good player. Maybe even elite at the right position.

fiestavike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:23 pm

S197 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:00 pm

Yeah short term it's highly disruptive and could yield less than desirable results. But like you, having two solid tackles long term is very enticing, especially if Elf can improve. You'd have 60% of your line pretty set and still on rookie contracts. Reiff isn't worth the money no matter what position he plays so I'd rather start looking for his replacement now.

I see. You are are far more down on Reiff than I am. I think Reiff is a solid left tackle, and I do think he could be an elite guard.

Wow elite? Those are some big words for a guy that played poorly last year. Granted the foot injury didnt help but still. I'm not totally down on Reiff because he did show well in 2017. I just hope he's past the foot injury. And I think he would be just as good of a RT than he is left. In Detroit he played both and it was fairly similar play. I just think O'Neill would be a legit LT down the road and has the athleticism to hang with speed rushers where Reiff isnt quite there.

YikesVikes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:33 pm This was really entertaining. I will say you cheated "not addressing OL in the first". I mean, you did address it in the first and I think most objection to skipping OL in the first is waiting till pick 50. Addressing it at 32 is not exactly not addressing it in the first. Outside of that I liked everything. I don't think Hill is there in the 6th. I think he gets snatched up in the 3rd or 4th. He's a Kamara/Cohen clone. Same with Boykin. Very creative though

Thanks for the input! I mean, Spielman has been known to trade back into the first. So I dont see it as being too unrealistic. I doubt we stay at 18 and at 50. I feel like there will be some kind of movement with one of those if not both of those picks.

YikesVikes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:08 pm

PurpleKoolaid wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:54 pm

What possible reason would you think that Reiff is a solid tackle? Let alone an elite guard. I have never heard anyone say this about him, or he is anything but average. I hope you dont think he is elite because he got a great contract from Rick.

He had a good season last year. I would say solid for a starter. He usually isn't a liability (except Buffalo last year). However, I have no idea where he falls as a player now. He isn't as bad as he was last season but not as good as he was in 2017. Not something you want from a LT.

Exactly. This is why I'd rather just have him at RT. At least when he gets toasted, Cousins can see a guy coming right in his face. Granted Cousins is far from elusive but he would know whether he needs to get the ball out quicker or not. He's not something you want on your blindside. O'Neill on the other hand, is someone you would want over there. His pass protection was excellent last year for a rookie. Something I always wondered is if maybe that was a small reason why O'Neill didnt give up any sacks last year. Because he was very good in pass protection but when he gave up pressures here and there, Cousins could see it coming and knows he needs to get rid of it. Cousins didnt have a chance against Jerry Hughes last year because Reiff couldnt get out to him quick enough and he was coming from the blindside. O'Neill handles Hughes no problem IMO. The switch just makes sense IMO.

fiestavike wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:13 am
Nailed it! Its the contract from Rick. It means he's a pretty good player. Maybe even elite at the right position.

I mean I would say he's above average when healthy. I think we will have a better tell this year when he's healthy. But yeah, definitely nothing to do with the contract. But I agree, I dont think he's at the right position. I dont have a clue how he would be at guard. I think he needs to be at RT.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:22 am

fiestavike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:23 pm

I see. You are are far more down on Reiff than I am. I think Reiff is a solid left tackle, and I do think he could be an elite guard.

Wow elite? Those are some big words for a guy that played poorly last year. Granted the foot injury didnt help but still. I'm not totally down on Reiff because he did show well in 2017. I just hope he's past the foot injury. And I think he would be just as good of a RT than he is left. In Detroit he played both and it was fairly similar play. I just think O'Neill would be a legit LT down the road and has the athleticism to hang with speed rushers where Reiff isnt quite there.

I don't think he will ever be elite at either tackle position given his difficulty with speed rushers, but honestly, he does enough to push them past the pocket most of the time that competent QB play is all that's needed to avoid a negative play. Last year he didn't have that. Slide him down to G and his skill set might make him elite. Its a gamble. I don't think there is anything wrong with keeping him at LT and drafting for an interior OL after the first round, but if they pick a T at 18 who is a true tackle, sliding Reiff down is the obvious move. I suspect we go DT or TE in the 1st, G or C in 2nd or 3rd, and maybe another one in the 5th-6th. In any case, too much dead money to move on from Reiff in the next two years.

fiestavike wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:13 am

PurpleKoolaid wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:54 pm

What possible reason would you think that Reiff is a solid tackle? Let alone an elite guard. I have never heard anyone say this about him, or he is anything but average. I hope you dont think he is elite because he got a great contract from Rick.

Nailed it! Its the contract from Rick. It means he's a pretty good player. Maybe even elite at the right position.

Exactly the kind of crazy logic that has kept Rick our GM, when all he does is fail. Congrats!

PurpleKoolaid wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:56 am

fiestavike wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:13 am

Nailed it! Its the contract from Rick. It means he's a pretty good player. Maybe even elite at the right position.

Exactly the kind of crazy logic that has kept Rick our GM, when all he does is fail. Congrats!