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mansquatch wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:04 am My answer is "probably not".

Here is my take. They should win on Sunday vs a listless Lions team. If they lose that game our hearts are not broken, we are just pissed off. (And rightly so)

The Bears game is going to go one of four ways:

1.) Bears play all their starters and we beat them - statement win at the end of the season (this is my ideal outcome)
2.) Bears rest their starters and we beat them - glad we win, but not the kind you can really get excited about
3.) Bears play all in and we lose - again we are annoyed, not as much as losing to Lions, but annoyed. Talent wasted and all of that
4.) Bears rest their starters and we lose - This would be BAD

So let's say for fun, that we beat the Lions and we beat an all in Bears team in week 17. At that point we are heading into the playoffs on a 3 game winning streak and we are feeling good about ourselves. Still, we are going to draw Dallas, Chicago, or LA on the road, most likely as a 6 seed. Any of the three is tough draw for a Vikings team that really hasn't played all together all sesaon outside of the Miami game. If we can get it together and win this this game, then it gets interesting.

From there we likely tee off against the Saints unless we are the #5 side, then we get whomever of the above 3 was the #2 seed. If it is the Saints (and it likely will be) then we face a team on the road that we should have beaten at home in a grudge rematch from last January and 2009. Losing this game would after all the build up to get there would be crappy, but you are losing the to the #1 seed. It would suck, but not that bad.

If they win that game, then we go to the NFCCG and play whomever is left. At this point we are probably the scariest team in the playoffs and the dream is real. If we lose this, then I'd be a bit upset. All the momentum you could ask for at the right time and they blow it. UGH. Then again, that is the Vikings way... After 25 years of watching this team, I've always been disappointed when they play in the NFCCG, I've get well established callouses at this point... Still it would suck to go into this game what that much excitement and that many improbably victories to just lay an egg. .

If they win that and lose the SB, then the heartbreak would be real.

So for me, the real pain isn't going to start until at a minimum the divisional round. Before then I'm not really bought in. If they go to the big game then all bets are off.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:54 pm

mansquatch wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:04 am My answer is "probably not".

Here is my take. They should win on Sunday vs a listless Lions team. If they lose that game our hearts are not broken, we are just pissed off. (And rightly so)

The Bears game is going to go one of four ways:

1.) Bears play all their starters and we beat them - statement win at the end of the season (this is my ideal outcome)
2.) Bears rest their starters and we beat them - glad we win, but not the kind you can really get excited about
3.) Bears play all in and we lose - again we are annoyed, not as much as losing to Lions, but annoyed. Talent wasted and all of that
4.) Bears rest their starters and we lose - This would be BAD

So let's say for fun, that we beat the Lions and we beat an all in Bears team in week 17. At that point we are heading into the playoffs on a 3 game winning streak and we are feeling good about ourselves. Still, we are going to draw Dallas, Chicago, or LA on the road, most likely as a 6 seed. Any of the three is tough draw for a Vikings team that really hasn't played all together all sesaon outside of the Miami game. If we can get it together and win this this game, then it gets interesting.

From there we likely tee off against the Saints unless we are the #5 side, then we get whomever of the above 3 was the #2 seed. If it is the Saints (and it likely will be) then we face a team on the road that we should have beaten at home in a grudge rematch from last January and 2009. Losing this game would after all the build up to get there would be crappy, but you are losing the to the #1 seed. It would suck, but not that bad.

If they win that game, then we go to the NFCCG and play whomever is left. At this point we are probably the scariest team in the playoffs and the dream is real. If we lose this, then I'd be a bit upset. All the momentum you could ask for at the right time and they blow it. UGH. Then again, that is the Vikings way... After 25 years of watching this team, I've always been disappointed when they play in the NFCCG, I've get well established callouses at this point... Still it would suck to go into this game what that much excitement and that many improbably victories to just lay an egg. .

If they win that and lose the SB, then the heartbreak would be real.

So for me, the real pain isn't going to start until at a minimum the divisional round. Before then I'm not really bought in. If they go to the big game then all bets are off.

Agreed. You've been a Vikings fan about as long as I have. Me personally, I would love to see them in a SB win or lose. Old timers wont agree here but I have never seen it before. Of course I want us to WIN one but if we can GET there as a 6 seed, I'm content. I know most will disagree but thats just me. Its so hard to tell how this team will do to be honest. We lost to the 3 best teams in the NFC by a total of 22 points. That's actually very low. No doubt in my mind we can beat any one of those teams. It's more so, I dont think we can beat ALL of them in one shot.

My heartbreak.....would easily be another NFC championship loss. I was born in '89. Been a fan since I was in first grade. I've seen them in 4 NFC championships. 2 blowouts and 2 heart breakers. I'm so sick of seeing them not win that game. This is part of the reason I would be content losing in the SB. As long as we can get past that curse of a game.

VikingLord wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:41 pm A heart can be broken only if there is a reasonable expectation of success. For example, while all 4 Superbowl losses were tough to take, the Vikings were favored in only 2 of them.

1987 was tough, but mostly because the Vikings steamrolled the 2 best teams in the NFL that year prior to the conference championship game against the Redskins. Had they even just eked out those prior 2 wins, it would have been much easier to take the result against the Redskins.

1998 was just crap. No way around that one. While others who post here would rightly point out that the 14-2 Falcons were no paper tiger, I bet that version of the Vikings beats them 90 times out of 100 if they played the games in the Metrodome that year. Anderson misses his only kick of the entire season. In that game. Yeah, that was a heartbreaker.

2001 was more of a surprise. Vikes benefited when the Rams got knocked out in the first round. That was kind of a fluke, but they rode it until they were exposed by the Giants. Not a heartbreaker, unless as a fan your heart is broken watching pro athletes more or less quit and stop fighting in the middle of a huge game.

2009 was also just crap. That wasn't a great Vikings team, but they had some really great players who managed to screw up in heretofore unseemly great ways at the worst possible great times. If there was a Vikings team that had the moxie to win a Superbowl, though, I think it was that one. But they came to the game with a loaded six shooter in their pocket and somehow managed to empty the cartridge into their own feet.

Last year's team? Naw, not a heartbreaker, at least not for me. That team way overachieved with a journeyman 3rd string QB for most of the year. They were fun to watch though, and the memory from that playoff game against the Saints was AMAZING. Truly a gift. I still get emotional watching replays of it. But watching them get dismantled at the hands of the Eagles, well, it wasn't a huge surprise coming off that big win. The cracks were already showing in the defense at that point, and Nick Foles played one of the best games I've seen by any QB in recent memory. And he followed it up in the Superbowl with another outstanding performance, so it wasn't just a one-off against the Vikings. I don't think the Vikings gave up in that game, either. Foles and the Eagles were just that much better that day.

This year's team? Man, I don't expect much from them. They've been shaky all year and continue to have their challenging moments even in games like they had against the Dolphins. But there are glimmers in them. They can play lights-out on defense at times. They've got so much talent on offense it makes my eyes water. Even the offensive line has moments when they look competent enough. But talk about a team that can't get the gun out of the holster, it's this year's Vikings, at least so far. We barely know if they can shoot straight because so far, they're not even able to point it, much less shoot it. But if they can ever get to the point where they get it out and aim, man, I could see them go all the way. Honestly, they match up against any team out there, AFC or NFC, at least talent-wise. They can probably find a way to break my heart, though. After all, these are the Vikings and I am a Vikings fan. Just as they are capable of finding new and creative ways to lose even when it seems impossible for them to lose, I'm sure they can find a new and creative way to disappoint us all.

This team is more like the 1987 team for me - a team with boundless potential that can surprise to the upside. So I'm going to focus on the positive aspects of the team, hope they can get a head of steam going here, blow up in the playoffs, and shock the world with the first Superbowl win for the Vikings.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:44 pm I'm probably taking a break from the board whenever we do lose this year in the playoffs. Because I'm guessing that no matter how we lose, no matter who we lose to, it's going to be Kirk Cousins fault. Last week it got pretty bad on here. I know I was involved in some of it (which I apologize for). I hope this board doesnt get to that point again. We probably arent a SB team this year. Why? We dont really know. We are going to run with teams in the playoffs for sure. But I cant see us running through the playoffs. We'd probably have to beat a combination of Chicago, Rams, Saints or Dallas, Rams Saints. All on the road no less. I kind of figure the next few years will be our shot to really push for it. But I have a feeling it will be an absolute war room on here on that day. I just hope guys can come on here and discuss (and criticize) but not just explode with "Cousins this and Cousins that". If he TRULY has a bad game, that's one thing. But if it's one of those games where a lot went wrong in all areas, I hope this doesnt turn into lets blame it all on Cousins board and how we wasted money. I'd rather not read all that for the upcoming months.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:44 pm I'm probably taking a break from the board whenever we do lose this year in the playoffs. Because I'm guessing that no matter how we lose, no matter who we lose to, it's going to be Kirk Cousins fault. Last week it got pretty bad on here. I know I was involved in some of it (which I apologize for). I hope this board doesnt get to that point again. We probably arent a SB team this year. Why? We dont really know. We are going to run with teams in the playoffs for sure. But I cant see us running through the playoffs. We'd probably have to beat a combination of Chicago, Rams, Saints or Dallas, Rams Saints. All on the road no less. I kind of figure the next few years will be our shot to really push for it. But I have a feeling it will be an absolute war room on here on that day. I just hope guys can come on here and discuss (and criticize) but not just explode with "Cousins this and Cousins that". If he TRULY has a bad game, that's one thing. But if it's one of those games where a lot went wrong in all areas, I hope this doesnt turn into lets blame it all on Cousins board and how we wasted money. I'd rather not read all that for the upcoming months.

VikeFanInEagleLand wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:02 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:44 pm I'm probably taking a break from the board whenever we do lose this year in the playoffs. Because I'm guessing that no matter how we lose, no matter who we lose to, it's going to be Kirk Cousins fault. Last week it got pretty bad on here. I know I was involved in some of it (which I apologize for). I hope this board doesnt get to that point again. We probably arent a SB team this year. Why? We dont really know. We are going to run with teams in the playoffs for sure. But I cant see us running through the playoffs. We'd probably have to beat a combination of Chicago, Rams, Saints or Dallas, Rams Saints. All on the road no less. I kind of figure the next few years will be our shot to really push for it. But I have a feeling it will be an absolute war room on here on that day. I just hope guys can come on here and discuss (and criticize) but not just explode with "Cousins this and Cousins that". If he TRULY has a bad game, that's one thing. But if it's one of those games where a lot went wrong in all areas, I hope this doesnt turn into lets blame it all on Cousins board and how we wasted money. I'd rather not read all that for the upcoming months.

Look, I don't remember anyone ever saying that Cousins stinks, not do I remember anyone laying sole blame on him losing any games. My evaluation of him would be the same no matter they were paying him.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:41 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:44 pm I'm probably taking a break from the board whenever we do lose this year in the playoffs. Because I'm guessing that no matter how we lose, no matter who we lose to, it's going to be Kirk Cousins fault. Last week it got pretty bad on here. I know I was involved in some of it (which I apologize for). I hope this board doesnt get to that point again. We probably arent a SB team this year. Why? We dont really know. We are going to run with teams in the playoffs for sure. But I cant see us running through the playoffs. We'd probably have to beat a combination of Chicago, Rams, Saints or Dallas, Rams Saints. All on the road no less. I kind of figure the next few years will be our shot to really push for it. But I have a feeling it will be an absolute war room on here on that day. I just hope guys can come on here and discuss (and criticize) but not just explode with "Cousins this and Cousins that". If he TRULY has a bad game, that's one thing. But if it's one of those games where a lot went wrong in all areas, I hope this doesnt turn into lets blame it all on Cousins board and how we wasted money. I'd rather not read all that for the upcoming months.

I think being critical of the biggest piece added to a 13-3 team, that was supposed be a SB contender, but instead was 9-6-1 and bounced from the playoffs in round one is fair.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:55 pm From now on, until they have 2 minutes to go, and are up 21 in the 4th quarter of the SB, I will always hope for the best, but assume the worst.

Texas Vike wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:26 pm

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:55 pm From now on, until they have 2 minutes to go, and are up 21 in the 4th quarter of the SB, I will always hope for the best, but assume the worst.

Are you kidding me? That's when I'd be the most anxious. If ONLY the Vikings could mess it up, then you might as well bet on it.

PurpleMustReign wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:04 pm

Texas Vike wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:26 pm

Are you kidding me? That's when I'd be the most anxious. If ONLY the Vikings could mess it up, then you might as well bet on it.

They need to have the ball when the other team has no time outs.... And in the victory formation.

Texas Vike wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:08 pm

PurpleMustReign wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:04 pm

They need to have the ball when the other team has no time outs.... And in the victory formation.

I'd still be looking for a flag and an obscure penalty that has never been called in the league's history that gives the opponent 22 points in one fell swoop. Until I see them raise the Lombardi, I wouldn't let myself believe it. Even then, I'd probably wake up the next morning thinking it was all just a dream.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:50 pm I'm starting to think the change in OC was the biggest piece that affected this team. It's not last year anymore. There are different players on both sides of the ball, some of their play has dipped, some has gotten better, there is a different OC with a completely different philosophy, we played a tougher schedule this year, lost our best defensive player mid-season for going psycho off the field, our offensive line got worse, etc. There are way more factors than just Kirk Cousins. Cousins is just as much part of this team as the OC was. And in the end, looks like Flip was holding this team back more than Kirk Cousins or anyone else for that matter.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:54 pm

mansquatch wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:04 am My answer is "probably not".

Here is my take. They should win on Sunday vs a listless Lions team. If they lose that game our hearts are not broken, we are just pissed off. (And rightly so)

The Bears game is going to go one of four ways:

1.) Bears play all their starters and we beat them - statement win at the end of the season (this is my ideal outcome)
2.) Bears rest their starters and we beat them - glad we win, but not the kind you can really get excited about
3.) Bears play all in and we lose - again we are annoyed, not as much as losing to Lions, but annoyed. Talent wasted and all of that
4.) Bears rest their starters and we lose - This would be BAD

So let's say for fun, that we beat the Lions and we beat an all in Bears team in week 17. At that point we are heading into the playoffs on a 3 game winning streak and we are feeling good about ourselves. Still, we are going to draw Dallas, Chicago, or LA on the road, most likely as a 6 seed. Any of the three is tough draw for a Vikings team that really hasn't played all together all sesaon outside of the Miami game. If we can get it together and win this this game, then it gets interesting.

From there we likely tee off against the Saints unless we are the #5 side, then we get whomever of the above 3 was the #2 seed. If it is the Saints (and it likely will be) then we face a team on the road that we should have beaten at home in a grudge rematch from last January and 2009. Losing this game would after all the build up to get there would be crappy, but you are losing the to the #1 seed. It would suck, but not that bad.

If they win that game, then we go to the NFCCG and play whomever is left. At this point we are probably the scariest team in the playoffs and the dream is real. If we lose this, then I'd be a bit upset. All the momentum you could ask for at the right time and they blow it. UGH. Then again, that is the Vikings way... After 25 years of watching this team, I've always been disappointed when they play in the NFCCG, I've get well established callouses at this point... Still it would suck to go into this game what that much excitement and that many improbably victories to just lay an egg. .

If they win that and lose the SB, then the heartbreak would be real.

So for me, the real pain isn't going to start until at a minimum the divisional round. Before then I'm not really bought in. If they go to the big game then all bets are off.

Agreed. You've been a Vikings fan about as long as I have. Me personally, I would love to see them in a SB win or lose. Old timers wont agree here but I have never seen it before. Of course I want us to WIN one but if we can GET there as a 6 seed, I'm content. I know most will disagree but thats just me. Its so hard to tell how this team will do to be honest. We lost to the 3 best teams in the NFC by a total of 22 points. That's actually very low. No doubt in my mind we can beat any one of those teams. It's more so, I dont think we can beat ALL of them in one shot.

My heartbreak.....would easily be another NFC championship loss. I was born in '89. Been a fan since I was in first grade. I've seen them in 4 NFC championships. 2 blowouts and 2 heart breakers. I'm so sick of seeing them not win that game. This is part of the reason I would be content losing in the SB. As long as we can get past that curse of a game.