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At the very least I would have thrown in the flat to Asiata.....which has more often than not gained good yardage. Prolly not 30 but better than the run we watched.[/quote]

If you're still probably not going to get 30 then why not go with the play that has the lower chance of a turnover?[/quote]

Better field position after the punt

autobon7 wrote:At the very least I would have thrown in the flat to Asiata.....which has more often than not gained good yardage. Prolly not 30 but better than the run we watched.

If you're still probably not going to get 30 then why not go with the play that has the lower chance of a turnover?[/quote]

Better field position after the punt[/quote]


And a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher chance of Pick 6.

powers of magnitude more risky then a run up the gut.

That Madden video game got OP thinking 3rd and 30 is a high percentage down and distance.

PacificNorseWest wrote:That Madden video game got OP thinking 3rd and 30 is a high percentage down and distance.

Actually, I dont play madden. I am just saying why not throw it deep on 3rd and 30, maybe get a completion, pass interference. Just try, seems more likely to keep a drive going than a 3rd and 30 draw to asiata.

As to the original post, the answer is "Norv."

As to another point, yes, the Vikes are 5-0 and playing a relaxed offense in the 3rd going into the 4th might be smart/safe football, but if points can come quickly in the first half, they can come quickly in the second.

I'd rather win 42-10 instead of 30-10. Yep, I'm greedy. I want to see a deep run throughout the playoffs, culminating in a win in the big one.

I hate knowing my favorite team is the "best team to Never win a Super Bowl."

Come on Vikes, let's get there, and how 'bout playing the Bills in the big one? That would be a war!

...wisdom

Norv Zimmer wrote: Actually, I dont play madden. I am just saying why not throw it deep on 3rd and 30, maybe get a completion, pass interference. Just try, seems more likely to keep a drive going than a 3rd and 30 draw to asiata.

I was just joking with ya, man....


Refresh my memory though...Wasn't this in the 3rd quarter?...Maybe not, but what was the situation? The score, where were they on the field and what was the score at that time?

Defense will be playing deep and not let anything get over them. A draw is a perfect play under the circumstance. I really don't see the issue here.


I thought this thread was going to be about how unpredictable the play calling has been since Bradford arrived and Peterson got hurt.

Because Norv has no imagination. His best play for that is some kinda of bubble screen even if the 10 Texans are over there waiting for it. But there were other game I thought Zim would be outsmarted and he wasnt. Im so afraid we are going to lose Zim this year or near. Money talks.

Texas Vike wrote:
Situational football.

We were up big at that point, no reason to choose a high risk play that may get you 30 yards, but that may also end up getting you a pick 6. At that point, they were controlling the game by maneuvering for field position and letting our dominant D do their thing. We then receive a punt, which Sherels may return for a TD, and if not allows our O to start roughly at the same spot with a new set of downs.

I'm not saying I entirely agree with the play call, but it is conservative and prudent football, given the context.

Chances of throwing a pick 6 on a 50 yard bomb are nil, that's not a good counter

IrishViking wrote:
And a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher chance of Pick 6.

powers of magnitude more risky then a run up the gut.

lol? on a deep throw? like 98% of pick 6 plays are outs that are jumped or safeties/linebackers jumping crosses. Rest are probably tipped balls, and an extremely small % are deep throws, lets be real here

Boon wrote: lol? on a deep throw? like 98% of pick 6 plays are outs that are jumped or safeties/linebackers jumping crosses. Rest are probably tipped balls, and an extremely small % are deep throws, lets be real here

We were talking about a pass to Asiata on the flat? Its like the number one play type in the game of football to be jumped for a pick-six...

IrishViking wrote:
We were talking about a pass to Asiata on the flat? Its like the number one play type in the game of football to be jumped for a pick-six...

I think he lost track of the conversation like i did... I thought you were saying a deep throw had a higher chance of a pick 6 as well.

PacificNorseWest wrote: I was just joking with ya, man....


Refresh my memory though...Wasn't this in the 3rd quarter?...Maybe not, but what was the situation? The score, where were they on the field and what was the score at that time?

I don't really care what point of the game it is, what the score is, what the situation of the game is. I just think that a asiata running play on 3rd and 30 is moronic and shows that you are not even trying to keep the drive going.

It really shouldn't matter what the game situation is, running a draw on 3rd and 30 is pretty much admitting that you are fine with a crappy drive.

lol? on a deep throw? like 98% of pick 6 plays are outs that are jumped or safeties/linebackers jumping crosses. Rest are probably tipped balls, and an extremely small % are deep throws, lets be real here[/quote]


We were talking about a pass to Asiata on the flat? Its like the number one play type in the game of football to be jumped for a pick-six... [/quote]
I think he lost track of the conversation like i did... I thought you were saying a deep throw had a higher chance of a pick 6 as well.[/quote]

Thats what I was thinking he meant too. I was saying throw a bomb and maybe get a completion, maybe get a PI call, maybe throw a 50 yard pick which would equal a punt imo.

Norv Zimmer wrote:. I was saying throw a bomb and maybe get a completion, maybe get a PI call, maybe throw a 50 yard pick which would equal a punt imo.

Remember that those picks are returnable. Sure, punts are too, but without the added benefit of organization and, importantly, hang time. It's not as simple as "throw a deep pass that could be intercepted." Those have a greater likelihood for substantial return yards vs a punt that (depending on field position and coverage) offers little to no return yardage and flipping field position.

Given the typical defensive alignment on a third-and-30, the success rate (including possible PI) is pretty low when you're not throwing against Waynes. It's hard enough to complete 30-yard passes in this league, much less attempt them when a defense is aligned specifically in a disadvantageous position with multiple DBs hanging back 20 yards.