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Demi wrote:Looked better. But it's easy to do when you're up a couple scores most of the game. Ask Ponder, he had a few of these games. Can he do it in a close game against a team that isn't one of the few with a record worse than his own teams? He missed a wide open receiver, and hit one. I'll feel good when he's hitting both. But overall he clearly looked better. Can he continue to do it? Probably for at least one more week against a terrible Jets defense at home. How will he do against a damn good Lions defense on the road?

You can't take it on a game by game basis or he'd be cut or extended every other week...

Since you brought up Ponder (Check down Charlie). I see him as an upgrade over him with MUCH more upside. TB win loss record is 4-4 in his first 8 games as a starter. Check down Charlie was 1-7 and he had AD. Can't compare him to a hall of fame QB but we can compare him to Check Down so far.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: Actually it was 15 completions. But hey, a little exaggeration is always warranted when trying so very hard to prove a rookie isn't as good as Troy Aikman.

Thought it was 12. Sorry...wasn't intending to exaggerate. Not that anything is hard when trying to prove a rookie isn't as good as Troy Aikman...

Since you brought up Ponder (Check down Charlie). I see him as an upgrade over him with MUCH more upside. TB win loss record is 4-4 in his first 8 games as a starter. Check down Charlie was 1-7 and he had AD. Can't compare him to a hall of fame QB but we can compare him to Check Down so far.

And when Check Down had a comparable defense...he was 10-6.

Wonder why people are so touchy when comparing Ponder to Teddy.

I think everybody is touchy when talking to you because you are forever negative. Is teddy troy Aiken of course not, could he be. You never know. Point is you are negative about every little thing, and while this team is rebuilding you will just be right. It's like your buying Microsoft in a bull market, a rising tide lifts all boats, in this case a falling tide sinks them. However, the day will come when this team turns and I'm sure someone with your mentality won't realize it for a while.


Most people here know that this is a process and we are a young team growing, the #### you say makes me think you don't have that perspective. There were tons of positives from teddy today, taking this controversial approach after a day like today is just plain #### behaivor, and I'm not suprised people are touchy when talking to you, because you are clearly just looking to fight with people. You are the #### hole who thinks he's always right, even when he's not. No one likes that guy.

Demi wrote:
And when Check Down had a comparable defense...he was 10-6.

Wonder why people are so touchy when comparing Ponder to Teddy.

You are future trippin man. I am only talking about win/loss record in his first 8 games as a starter. TB has a better record period. Can't compare Check Downs later games until TB has more games under his belt.

Demi wrote:Looked better. But it's easy to do when you're up a couple scores most of the game. Ask Ponder, he had a few of these games. Can he do it in a close game against a team that isn't one of the few with a record worse than his own teams? He missed a wide open receiver, and hit one. I'll feel good when he's hitting both. But overall he clearly looked better. Can he continue to do it? Probably for at least one more week against a terrible Jets defense at home. How will he do against a damn good Lions defense on the road?

You can't take it on a game by game basis or he'd be cut or extended every other week...

He's had some good games when it has been close too, particularly when he needs to score late in the game. Right now it's mainly about being consistent. One thing he has over Ponder at this stage is he keeps his eyes down field and really only relies on his legs to buy more time or as a last ditch effort. Ponder tended to pull it down and run too quickly. Today it looked like the game was really "slowing down" for him and he was reading the defense well. Now that could be more to do with Carolina, having Rudolph back, or as much as I hate to say it, having Johnson on the field over Patterson. Maybe a combination of everything. Like someone had mentioned earlier it's all about progress for this team, and not just Teddy, everyone from the coaches on down as we have a lot of guys in new roles. I think playing the same team a second time around (Lions, Bears) like you mention will speak a lot about whether or not that progress is coming along.

Teddy by far, plays better with pressure than any QB(except Farve) we have had, in a long time.

I see no reason the guy can't be a pro bowl QB in this league, someday. We need a much better offensive

line; to help him have time, for deeper balls and routes.

PurpleMustReign wrote: But how will we improve if we don't get a top five pick in the draft???

Simple. All the Vikings have to do is lose out for the next three years. Not only will that give Teddy, Patterson, Floyd, Rhodes, and the others time to mature, but the Vikings will have a bunch of high draft picks!

TB played well enough to not lose the game. He did it against a horrible team. We are witnessing little baby steps towards becoming a pro QB. Its not amazing, its not depressing, its just a tad reassuring and requires patience...which Viking Fans (understandably) have very little left....

The Lions offer us a chance to get VERY excited if he keeps his rating this high and doesnt panic when Suh comes whiffing past Kallil, intent to kill.......

chicagopurple wrote:TB played well enough to not lose the game. He did it against a horrible team. We are witnessing little baby steps towards becoming a pro QB. Its not amazing, its not depressing, its just a tad reassuring and requires patience...which Viking Fans (understandably) have very little left....

The Lions offer us a chance to get VERY excited if he keeps his rating this high and doesnt panic when Suh comes whiffing past Kallil, intent to kill.......

I had a feeling some would use the team we played against Teddy. Carolina's offense is horrible but their defense is still a middle of the road defense. They aren't horrible by any means. No matter who he played, he played good. I feel like some were still expecting crazy numbers out of him to really be impressed but even Zimmer said in his presser that you can't do a whole lot in 24 minutes of possession. Bottom line is he made it count when he had to

In my opinion, Teddy will never be the 'light up the scoreboard' type quarterback. People will have to learn to appreciate the efficiency side of quarterbacking when it comes to TB. When he throws for over 300 yards, it will be in an uber-efficient manner and his receivers will be making plays for him. He'll be a point guard, if you will. Think Russell Wilson without as much scrambling.

Down the road, it will be more about what he doesn't do (turn the ball over, force throws, take sacks) than what he does do.

well, that kinda QB won the Ravens a SuperBowl.....I would totally be OK with him if that is who he turns out to be. We would just need to have a more crushing defense and a reliable run game.....

If this isn't consistent improvement then I'm not sure what is.....

In the last 5 games, Teddy Bridgewater is :

-104 for 170 (61.2 comp %)
-1,015 yards
-7 TDs and only 2 INTs
-86.8 QBR

Pondering Her Percy wrote:If this isn't consistent improvement then I'm not sure what is.....

In the last 5 games, Teddy Bridgewater is :

-104 for 170 (61.2 comp %)
-1,015 yards
-7 TDs and only 2 INTs
-86.8 QBR

Well, considering that he was 19-30 for 317 yards and a passer rating of 98.9 in his first start, I'm not sure that qualifies as consistent improvement.

Seriously, it wouldn't be realistic to expect that kind of performance week after week but I find it hard to see his performances over the last 5 games as indicative of consistent improvement.

Game by game:

@TB: 24-42 (57.14%) 241 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT; Rating: 81.5; Y/A: 5.74
WAS: 26-42 (61.9%) 268 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT; Rating: 88.2; Y/A: 6.38
@CHI: 18-28 (64.29%) 158 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT; Rating: 76.2: Y/A: 5.64
GB: 21-37 (56.76%) 210 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT; Rating: 79.8: Y/A: 5.68
CAR: 15-21 (71.43%) 138 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT; Rating: 120.7: Y/A: 8.48

That doesn't seem like a stretch of consistent performances to me, although his TD/INT ratio is nice over those 5 games. His Y/A numbers in 3 of the 5 games are more than a little discouraging.

Pondering Her Percy wrote:If this isn't consistent improvement then I'm not sure what is.....

In the last 5 games, Teddy Bridgewater is :

-104 for 170 (61.2 comp %)
-1,015 yards
-7 TDs and only 2 INTs
-86.8 QBR

Which over a 16 game season projects out to:

- 333 for 544 (61.2% completion)
- 3240 yards
- 23 TDs and 7 INTs
- 86.6 QBR

*Numbers were rounded*

To me, those numbers are very serviceable from a QB. That would by no means be a HoF QB, but it would be enough to keep me happy. Further, if you project these numbers for 12 weeks, that would place Bridgewater right around the middle of the pack (12-18) in all major areas (yards, TDs, QBR, completion %). I would settle for an average QB. If we can get good play from the D and a running back that can play we will be a playoff team.

akvikingsfan wrote:Which over a 16 game season projects out to:

- 333 for 544 (61.2% completion)
- 3240 yards
- 23 TDs and 7 INTs
- 86.6 QBR

*Numbers were rounded*

They look better that way.