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Cliff wrote:He was a professional coming to work but the NFL is no normal job. Have you listened to the way our new coach talks to some of his players? In what professional setting, other than sports, is that acceptable? There certainly aren't many.

Is screaming curse words at someone less or more an acceptable "professional" act? Seems like something of a double standard to me if you're going to judge Moss based on "normal professionalism". The NFL very obviously isn't the same world.

No, it's not the same world but I think the comparison you made above is a bit of an "apples and oranges' comparison. No matter how slice it, what Moss did was poor sportsmanship. It was completely and utterly disrespectful to the opposing team and it's fans. Whether they deserved it or not, I think it was the wrong thing to do.

It's also ancient history at this point!

I consider the latter one of the lower points in Vikings history, although the game itself was great!

That game-winning TD pass by Favre was great too. Definitely a moment worth remembering...[/quote]

Moss did nothing wrong. It was a play on Packers fans mooning the Vikings' bus. I thought it was hilarious.

Don't tell me you're one of those Joe Buck-types who acts like he actually dropped his pants?


I think Moss leaving the field before the onside kick the week before was worse.[/quote]

Um, no. Moss definitely did do somethin wrong. That was a childish, immature act, that reflected very poorly on what I believe to be a classy organization. Who cares what bunch of drunk #### fans did? He was a professional at work and he chose to act like a fool. Not surprising, coming from Moss.

On another note, that Greg Lewis catch was as amazing of a moment I've ever had a chance to witness.[/quote]
If Randy had actually mooned them, I would agree with you. Randy was just having some fun with the GB fans that moon the departing teams when they leave Lameblow. Buck, not knowing the circumstances, blew it way out of proportion.
Anyway. To me the best win ever was the Monday Nighter against GB, Randys rookie year. I have never been so satisfied with a win as that game.

Mothman wrote: No, it's not the same world but I think the comparison you made above is a bit of an "apples and oranges' comparison. No matter how slice it, what Moss did was poor sportsmanship. It was completely and utterly disrespectful to the opposing team and it's fans. Whether they deserved it or not, I think it was the wrong thing to do.

It's also ancient history at this point!

It is a different situation, but not so much if your argument is centered around professionalism.

It seemed pretty in line with the gamesmenship that seems to happen in the NFL regularly. Especially at the time with TO breaking out markers and such. I bet the opposing teams and fans didn't like Allen's 'cow tie' stuff either. That's a 'rubbing it in their face' kind of gesture too. But everyone views that stuff differently.

It's a slow off season

Cliff wrote:It is a different situation, but not so much if your argument is centered around professionalism.

No, which is why I chose to center mine around sportsmanship.

It seemed pretty in line with the gamesmenship that seems to happen in the NFL regularly. Especially at the time with TO breaking out markers and such. I bet the opposing teams and fans didn't like Allen's 'cow tie' stuff either. That's a 'rubbing it in their face' kind of gesture too. But everyone views that stuff differently.

I agree, although I think a player pretending to wipe his behind on a goal post is several steps further down the road of questionable on-field behavior than a sack celebration.

It's a slow off season

You can say that again!

The Moss fake BA was an absolute abomination and affront to my senses as a Viking fan. I stayed in my house for days after and hung my head, oh the shame. Im a bit of a puritan and very prudish so that sort of thing doesnt play well with me. Joe Buck was my hero for putting that callus brute in his place. The game needs to stay as it is, an arena of broken bones, shattered knees and addled brains from concussions and on and on. This sport has no room for humor. Sheesh.

mmvikes wrote:I consider the latter one of the lower points in Vikings history, although the game itself was great!

That game-winning TD pass by Favre was great too. Definitely a moment worth remembering...

Moss did nothing wrong. It was a play on Packers fans mooning the Vikings' bus. I thought it was hilarious.

Don't tell me you're one of those Joe Buck-types who acts like he actually dropped his pants?


I think Moss leaving the field before the onside kick the week before was worse.[/quote]

Um, no. Moss definitely did do somethin wrong. That was a childish, immature act, that reflected very poorly on what I believe to be a classy organization. Who cares what bunch of drunk #### fans did? He was a professional at work and he chose to act like a fool. Not surprising, coming from Moss.

On another note, that Greg Lewis catch was as amazing of a moment I've ever had a chance to witness.[/quote]
If Randy had actually mooned them, I would agree with you. Randy was just having some fun with the GB fans that moon the departing teams when they leave Lameblow. Buck, not knowing the circumstances, blew it way out of proportion.
Anyway. To me the best win ever was the Monday Nighter against GB, Randys rookie year. I have never been so satisfied with a win as that game.[/quote]

Who cares about the circumstances? Players flip off the opposing teams bus all the time, would it be acceptable for a player to score and then flip off the opposing fans? Buck hit it right on the money, it was a disgusting act by Randy, and I'm almost never a prude about celebrations, but such a blatant insult to the opposing teams fans are over the line. Great game, poor choice by Randy. And it only helped increase his image of being an ignorant little punk.

mosscarter wrote:what moss did against green bay was one of the greatest things not only in vikings history, but nfl history as well. have a freaking sense of humor it was the most genius td celebration ever. to answer the original question, i wasn't alive for the nfc championship wins, so my favorite game was the 98 monday night in lambeau, or when favre returned to lambeau. i also give honorable mention to the 97 playoff game against the giants. that was a period in which replay wasn't used, do people remember jake reed's foot actually being out of bounds on that td catch?

One of the greatest thing in Vikings history, huh? Damn people, get a grip. If that ranks as a top moment in our history, that is ridiculous. How is pretending to show your ### to opposing teams fans genius? Seems rather juvenile to me.

jackal wrote: I think the Moss butt wipe in the playoffs in Green Bay was too though

Purpnation wrote: One of the greatest thing in Vikings history, huh? Damn people, get a grip. If that ranks as a top moment in our history, that is ridiculous. How is pretending to show your ### to opposing teams fans genius? Seems rather juvenile to me.

If you knew what PACKER fans do to opposing teams after games, you'd understand his MO.

headless_norseman wrote:
If you knew what PACKER fans do to opposing teams after games, you'd understand his MO.

Again, boohoo. They are FANS, I've seen fans do stupid #### every single game I've ever attended. Dont even get me started on attending a game in Chicago, but who cares? They are fans! They do not represent the team as players do, opposing fans flip off busses all the time, would it be acceptable to score a TD and flip the opposing fans the bird?

What Randy did reflected very poorly on our organization, as do the homers who condone his actions. You complain about what Packers fans do, but then show absolutely zero class in condoning such an unsportsmanlike act, we, as Vikings, are better then that.

you people ripping randy moss amaze me. he is the greatest wide receiver to ever step onto a football field. give him montana and steve young in their primes he would have MURDERED rice's records. instead he played with something like 5 different qb's in his first 6 years. then what happened when he met brady? that record will never be broken. so what he had an attitude, but that was the greatest element about him. he danced to no one's drum, and i personally admire that in a culture of athletes who do everything "by the books." i wasn't around for the old school vikings, but in my lifetime randy moss was by far and away the best viking i've ever seen. and i'll go even further out on a limb, one of the best ATHLETES i've ever seen period. you talk about him leaving the field early??? get real. favre did it in green bay, isiah thomas and the ENTIRE PISTONS TEAM did it in detroit and there are many others too. the fact that moss doesn't have a superbowl in purple tells you how pathetic and shameful our defenses really were because he was that good. montana and rice played together for so long they knew each other's moves like telepathy. moss NEVER had that advantage and he was way better than rice. they say rice was a better route runner which is total b.s., montana made rice a precise route runner and steve young has the highest completion percentage still to this day. end of story. there will never be another receiver like randy moss.

mosscarter wrote:you people ripping randy moss amaze me. he is the greatest wide receiver to ever step onto a football field. give him montana and steve young in their primes he would have MURDERED rice's records. instead he played with something like 5 different qb's in his first 6 years. then what happened when he met brady? that record will never be broken. so what he had an attitude, but that was the greatest element about him. he danced to no one's drum, and i personally admire that in a culture of athletes who do everything "by the books." i wasn't around for the old school vikings, but in my lifetime randy moss was by far and away the best viking i've ever seen. and i'll go even further out on a limb, one of the best ATHLETES i've ever seen period. you talk about him leaving the field early??? get real. favre did it in green bay, isiah thomas and the ENTIRE PISTONS TEAM did it in detroit and there are many others too. the fact that moss doesn't have a superbowl in purple tells you how pathetic and shameful our defenses really were because he was that good. montana and rice played together for so long they knew each other's moves like telepathy. moss NEVER had that advantage and he was way better than rice. they say rice was a better route runner which is total b.s., montana made rice a precise route runner and steve young has the highest completion percentage still to this day. end of story. there will never be another receiver like randy moss.

Solid post.

you people ripping randy moss amaze me. he is the greatest wide receiver to ever step onto a football field. give him montana and steve young in their primes he would have MURDERED rice's records. instead he played with something like 5 different qb's in his first 6 years. then what happened when he met brady? that record will never be broken. so what he had an attitude, but that was the greatest element about him.

I'm not ripping anyone ... but Randy Moss could have used some guidance. I agree partially with you Randy Moss was probably the most gifted wide out ever!
The thing made Jerry Rice what he was his work ethic.. He outworked everyone else. That I respect very very much, as i am a hard worker too. I know a lot
of number one wide outs seem to be ego maniacs ... Owens Chad Johnson, Dez Bryant, and many others, seem to have extreme confidence. I wish people
would rain in some of these kids; instead of giving them everything, they wished for .... much to early in life. Self discipline and respect for others and the games
they play would be good for sports and the athletes themselves.

mosscarter wrote:you people ripping randy moss amaze me. he is the greatest wide receiver to ever step onto a football field. give him montana and steve young in their primes he would have MURDERED rice's records. instead he played with something like 5 different qb's in his first 6 years. then what happened when he met brady? that record will never be broken. so what he had an attitude, but that was the greatest element about him. he danced to no one's drum, and i personally admire that in a culture of athletes who do everything "by the books." i wasn't around for the old school vikings, but in my lifetime randy moss was by far and away the best viking i've ever seen. and i'll go even further out on a limb, one of the best ATHLETES i've ever seen period. you talk about him leaving the field early??? get real. favre did it in green bay, isiah thomas and the ENTIRE PISTONS TEAM did it in detroit and there are many others too. the fact that moss doesn't have a superbowl in purple tells you how pathetic and shameful our defenses really were because he was that good. montana and rice played together for so long they knew each other's moves like telepathy. moss NEVER had that advantage and he was way better than rice. they say rice was a better route runner which is total b.s., montana made rice a precise route runner and steve young has the highest completion percentage still to this day. end of story. there will never be another receiver like randy moss.

Very nice post. Though I disagree about Moss being a better route runner than Jerry Rice. But had it not been of Moss, I probably would have never been a fan of this team in the first place. During the Moss era, the Vikings were pretty respected back then around the NFL oppose to how they are now.

King James wrote:
Very nice post. Though I disagree about Moss being a better route runner than Jerry Rice. But had it not been of Moss, I probably would have never been a fan of this team in the first place. During the Moss era, the Vikings were pretty respected back then around the NFL oppose to how they are now.

Moss was a top 10 receiver but was a #### more often than not. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1736 ... nfl-career