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He is better in pass coverage than Henderson.Eli wrote:I don't think they'll rehash the experiment at linebacker again. He's a defensive lineman. Unless they get rid of Allen going into next year, I see him battling Robison for a starting DE job, but he may just end up being used the same way next season as he was this year.
I believe he'll have it right after the Pro Bowl. Won't be an issue for the start of camp.J. Kapp 11 wrote:The surgery now is arthroscopic, so I expect him to have it soon, get his rehab done with, and come back strong.
Just as Winfield is the veteran leader of the secondary, Allen undoubtedly fills the same role with the defensive line (if not the front 7 altogether). He is still productive and, perhaps more importantly, a bonafide leader for a young team that needs veteran expertise. What part of trading him makes any sense to you?NextQuestion wrote:I'd say trade Allen if anything. He's getting older and his pass rush is not the same
BGM wrote:30 years old, playing with a torn labrum and he still gets 12 sacks and plays better than ever against the run, and some fans want to consider trading him?
Sometimes, the fan base just makes me shake my head...
It was when I suggested it last offseason! Now he's coming off an injury, a down year...for him, and isn't he in the last year of his current contract? He doesn't have enough value to warrant trading anymore.PurpleJarl wrote: But you also need to factor in our depth at that position, the fall off from a trade, and the potential value and depth we could add at another position say, LB or CB. When you look at that, its not such a crazy idea to consider trading him rather than riding him to retirement. IMO
Except if you look historically at other HoF DEs, Allen has more than a couple good seasons left. Also, Griffen played situationally, which tends to skew stats like sacks.PurpleJarl wrote:Actually, barring the 4 more sacks Everson was as good as Jared Allen this year (I know 4 sack can be seen as a lot) but considering the little value needed for a DRAMATIC improvement at, say, CB. I still don't see why trading him his a universally bad Idea. I am not even saying its what we should do but to act like he is a 22 year old ROY is silly. He has a COUPLE of good/dominate years left, tops. Trade him to defensively weak contender and get some decent value because I dont see us realistically competing again within his "quality" time left.
This idea rivals the trade AP threads in the past. Seriously, even at 30, Allen is an ELITE player. Not good, not great, ELITE. The idea that he will suddenly and dramatically regress over the next 4-5 seasons is conjecture at best and does not bear up under historical scrutiny.
Michael Strahan averaged 11 sacks per season in the four seasons following his 30th birthday.
Reggie White averaged nearly 12 sacks per season in the four seasons following his 30th birthday.
Bruce Smith averaged 12 sacks per season in the four seasons following his 30th birthday.
Kevin Greene averaged more than 12 sacks per season in the four seasons following his 30th birthday.
Chris Doleman averaged 10 sacks per season in the four seasons following his 30th birthday.
To put it bluntly, trading Jared Allen at this point his career, using the misguided rationalization that he is headed for the downside of his career, would be stupid. Really stupid.
If some team were to offer a Herschel-Walker-everything-and-the-kitchen-sink trade, that might be worth considering. Otherwise... nope.
For me the key quote there is "still recorded a respectable 12 sacks". I know people harp on the whole "he vanishes at times" thing. Who are they going to get to replace him? I think the key for EG is doing what the Giants did and run a 3DE front. I suspect addressing the issues at MLB will go a long way to enabling this.dead_poet wrote:Jared Allen - DL - Vikings
Vikings RE Jared Allen will undergo offseason shoulder surgery to repair a torn labrum.
It's the first surgery of any kind for Allen in his nine-year NFL career. Allen says he doesn't know when he tore the shoulder up, but he played with it for much of the season. Bum shoulder and all, he still recorded a respectable 12 sacks. Allen will play in the Pro Bowl on January 27 and then undergo the procedure shortly after. He should be fine for training camp.
Source: ESPN 1500 Twin Cities
I mean he did have 8 sacks with far less snaps!Oakdale63 wrote:Okay, well perhaps trading JA isn't the answer. It's a possibility, however. Maybe the real solution (my preference) is to sit Brian and allow Griffen to shine.