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Jordysghost wrote:who is on the Vikes depth chart at QB behind Teddy?

Shaun Hill, Mike Kafka and Taylor Heinicke

dead_poet wrote: Shaun Hill, Mike Kafka and Taylor Heinicke

That is one stellar line of QB's. The current Vikes dont want to waste any time developing QBs. Or getting decent guards.

PurpleKoolaid wrote: That is one stellar line of QB's. The current Vikes dont want to waste any time developing QBs. Or getting decent guards.

So what would your genius plan be when it comes to "developing" QB's Rick Spielman?? And we drafted 3 offensive lineman that could all possibly swing into guard. As well as Berger and Yankey (who supposedly showed up to offseason workouts much stronger). I just find it odd that you always have something to nitpick about when it comes to Spielman but never have a better "plan" to back it up

But in PK's eyes, he's not good......

Trae Waynes is said to be the NFC North's best draft pick

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/vide ... f2bf7c294a

Either every team in the NFC North drafted bad or as I've said many times before, Waynes is that good and is going into the perfect scheme with the right coaching. I'll take the latter.

He signed his contract already, that is a very good sign..

Gauging Trae Waynes' chances to play based on Zimmer, past top picks

Six defenders taken within the first 11 picks have played for Mike Zimmer since he became a defensive coordinator in 2000.

Only a shattered jaw and busted knee kept all six from starting full seasons as rookies.

If Zimmer's own pattern of using top picks means anything, the Vikings should be expecting Waynes to start Week 1 in San Francisco with one caveat -- rookie first-round cornerbacks are coming off a low point in playing time in 2014, when they averaged fewer than 500 snaps per game for the first time since Pro Football Focus began publishing data in 2007. For just the second season in that stretch, not a single first-round corner played more than 1,000 snaps last season due to injuries (Verrett) and some slow starters (Gilbert, Dennard).

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Gaug ... icks062515

PurpleKoolaid wrote: That is one stellar line of QB's. The current Vikes dont want to waste any time developing QBs. Or getting decent guards.

Or a decent MLB, CB's, or a WR or two.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... s-a-rookie

I pretty much expected this. It's better for him to learn the defense and come out later than be thrown to
the wolves. Rhodes needed more time to learn, but ended up being a solid player and possibly a pro bowl type
guy for years to come. I think to be fair we need to wait two or three years to judge the pick.

That being said the reason I wanted Danny Shelton is he would have had IMO a much bigger impact and
given us a better run defense and overall D line. Maybe a D line as good as the Willam's wall with Jarad Allen.

jackal wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... s-a-rookie

I pretty much expected this. It's better for him to learn the defense and come out later than be thrown to
the wolves. Rhodes needed more time to learn, but ended up being a solid player and possibly a pro bowl type
guy for years to come. I think to be fair we need to wait two or three years to judge the pick.

That being said the reason I wanted Danny Shelton is he would have had IMO a much bigger impact and
given us a better run defense and overall D line. Maybe a D line as good as the Willam's wall with Jarad Allen.

I think it will take Waynes about 2 years. He will show flashes this year IMO but won't start to blossom until year 2. Similar to Rhodes.

As for Shelton, I disagree 100%. With Joseph already as our 1 technique, Shelton would get just as much playing time as Waynes will this year. Maybe even less. Maybe in the long term, Shelton would help this defense out, but I would much rather have a solid tandem at CB vs. a big guy in the middle. I'm completely fine with Joseph being there right now. I wouldnt have been fine with just relying on Newman or Robinson on the outside all season. We needed that bookend to Rhodes desperately IMO.

As for Shelton, I disagree 100%. With Joseph already as our 1 technique, Shelton would get just as much playing time as Waynes will this year. Maybe even less. Maybe in the long term, Shelton would help this defense out, but I would much rather have a solid tandem at CB vs. a big guy in the middle.

Yeah I know there was some divided opinion on Shelton. A lot of retired OL and DL commentators shared my opinion.
Shelton just seemed so explosive through gaps and double teams. IMO from what I have seen on tape, Shelton will be
very very disruptive, just like SUH and Watt are now. Will be as good eventually, I think he will be on the short list, as
a top run stopper, pro bowl DT for a decade.

jackal wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... s-a-rookie

I pretty much expected this. It's better for him to learn the defense and come out later than be thrown to
the wolves. Rhodes needed more time to learn, but ended up being a solid player and possibly a pro bowl type
guy for years to come. I think to be fair we need to wait two or three years to judge the pick.

That being said the reason I wanted Danny Shelton is he would have had IMO a much bigger impact and
given us a better run defense and overall D line. Maybe a D line as good as the Willam's wall with Jarad Allen.

But remember when everyone attacked Frazier for not starting Rhodes on day 1????

But remember when everyone attacked Frazier for not starting Rhodes on day 1????

Well I think for are more patient now for a few reasons ....

1.The fans had lost patience with Frazier after the QB shuffle and his decisions to stay with Ponder.

2.The Vikings fans have faith in the direction of this team and Zimmer currently.

3.The last few years a lot of draft picks have worked out and team development appears to be working (similar
to reason two and they coexist)

As for Shelton, I disagree 100%. With Joseph already as our 1 technique, Shelton would get just as much playing time as Waynes will this year. Maybe even less. Maybe in the long term, Shelton would help this defense out, but I would much rather have a solid tandem at CB vs. a big guy in the middle. I'm completely fine with Joseph being there right now. I wouldn't have been fine with just relying on Newman or Robinson on the outside all season. We needed that bookend to Rhodes desperately IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjSO21zK5EQ

Not trying argue.. just showing why I felt strongly about his ability.... 1:05-1:07 pulls off two blocks to make tackle...

1:42 while engaged and possibly held .. makes tackle with one hand.... 2:28 has hands ability to scoop a loose ball

3:50 to 3:59 chases a QB through blocks and traffic

34 reps in bench press at combine/earl cambell legs/30 1/2 inch verticle jump

Mike Mayock , "I love this kid, on e the most dominant inside tackles in years!"

VikingPaul73 wrote:But remember when everyone attacked Frazier for not starting Rhodes on day 1????

I don't remember that (I remember him getting quite a few snaps early and starting games down the stretch) but if that did happen, to be fair, it probably had a lot to do with that position having players like Cook (the best player that year?), Robinson (the failed slot experiment in his second year), and Sherels (our punt specialist), and Jefferson (how many people do you think even remember his first name?). The competition level is a little bit different now.

I mean seriously, we could lose any two CBs this year and still have a better position group than we started with in 2013.

jackal wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjSO21zK5EQ

Not trying argue.. just showing why I felt strongly about his ability.... 1:05-1:07 pulls off two blocks to make tackle...

1:42 while engaged and possibly held .. makes tackle with one hand.... 2:28 has hands ability to scoop a loose ball

3:50 to 3:59 chases a QB through blocks and traffic

34 reps in bench press at combine/earl cambell legs/30 1/2 inch verticle jump

Mike Mayock , "I love this kid, on e the most dominant inside tackles in years!"

Oh I hear ya man. I think Shelton could be pretty good down the road but when it comes to year 1 impact, neither him or Waynes will light the world on fire. Especially because of the veterans in front of them. Kendricks has a great shot this year because he's the only noteworthy MLB we have.

Don't get me wrong, I want a strong defensive line and I think we have a pretty decent one right now. But look at the jets and Rams. They have the best 2 defensive lines in football but their secondary is so pitiful that they can't stop anybody (last year). Defending the pass is a much bigger priority IMO than defending the run. Granted you obviously have to do both but with the QBs in our division, we needed a top flight CB much more than a top flight DT. Joseph wasn't awful last year and it was only his first year in this scheme. There is no way you could rely on Newman and Robinson to hold the fort on the outside. You can rely on Joseph a lot more