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Re: Farewell Kluwe

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I think Kluwe either wanted a legitimate competition or to be released early so he could seek a job punting with another team.
I think so, too. As much as it's odd to let him go so soon, I think it was out of mutual respect. The couple meetings with Kluwe suggested that. It sounds like it was handled with open communication and honesty. It's sad to see him go, but I sort of like how this was handled--minus not making the young guy earn his roster spot. But, at least maybe they learned from the whole Winfield thing! Communication is key! :wink:
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I really just have a hard time believing that they let him go for having outside interests. Freaking Ray Lewis KILLED a guy and he's like NFL immortality. Clubs are sensitive to the gay rights movement and Chris Culliver was punished for what he said at the superbowl by the 49ers. They put him in sensitivity training and made him work with kids who were bullied. Then again...he posted on instagram a month or so ago how he felt about women.

If word ever got out and there was evidence that Kluwe was let go because of his activism can't he sue the pants off the Vikings?
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NextQuestion wrote:You guys should check out the article that Deadspin wrote on Seifert. It was basically a response to Seifert's passive agressive-ness and how he doesn't dig Kluwe.

http://updates.deadspin.com/post/348462 ... hickenshit
I'd simply describe it as unprofessional and clearly biased hack work by Deadspin writer Tom Ley. It's pretty clear that he saw what he wanted to see in Siefert's column and then went on the attack.
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Unprofessional and Deadspin? You don't say? I think KS's title "Kluwe lucky to have job" was a little BS on his end. Isn't Chris Cook lucky to have a job? Isn't Suh lucky to have a job?
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NextQuestion wrote:Unprofessional and Deadspin? You don't say?
LOL! Well, that's why I don't see the point in giving a something like that any real credence. It's pretty clear the writer had an axe to grind.
I think KS's title "Kluwe lucky to have job" was a little BS on his end. Isn't Chris Cook lucky to have a job? Isn't Suh lucky to have a job?
Siefert titled that entry "Chris Kluwe is a fortunate NFL employee" not "Kluwe lucky to have job". :)

Anyway, that's just one way to interpret what Siefert was saying.
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I mostly think KS is a hack with most of his opinion articles. I'm not the only one who criticizes him
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NextQuestion wrote:I mostly think KS is a hack with most of his opinion articles. I'm not the only one who criticizes him
I'm sure you're not and you're entitled to your opinion, as Siefert is to his... :)

I consider him one of the better football reporters out there, even though I don't always agree with his take on things, and I think he's anything but a hack. He handles himself professionally and over the years, I've found him to be a pretty reliable source of information, which is certainly more than I can say for Deadspin.
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I've found him to be a pretty reliable source of information, which is certainly more than I can say for Deadspin
Kind of funny considering they are generally the first source to break things like the T'eo story, the fake ESPN reporter, Kerry Rhodes dude love
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NextQuestion wrote: Kind of funny considering they are generally the first source to break things like the T'eo story, the fake ESPN reporter, Kerry Rhodes dude love
All the "news" that's fit to print!

They're the sports world equivalent of TMZ, a gossip, rumor and opinion site. That has it's place but they're certainly not a reliable news source.
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Why isn't it reliable? T'eo thing turned out pretty true...I appreciate that they investigate things PFT or NFL.com wouldn't touch
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NextQuestion wrote:Why isn't it reliable? T'eo thing turned out pretty true...I appreciate that they investigate things PFT or NFL.com wouldn't touch
The problem is lack of accountability. Sure, they've hit on a few things and were correct ... but I wonder what the sample size is for articles that turned out to be crap?
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NextQuestion wrote:Why isn't it reliable? T'eo thing turned out pretty true...I appreciate that they investigate things PFT or NFL.com wouldn't touch
Because it's a gossip site not a news site. I'm not saying they get everything wrong, just that the nature of the site is different. The site has it's place. News sites aren't wholly reliable either but I think there are degrees of reliability and different editorial standards when it comes to this sort of thing, as well as degrees of professionalism.

Ley's take on that Siefert column was no different than the kind of fan reactions you can read below Siefert's writing or on most sites these days. He just had a more prominent forum in which to air his grievances. It's also different than when Deadspin does a story on something like the Te'o and his "girlfriend". It was pure editorializing. That's fine, but it doesn't make his take accurate or any more meaningful than the next guy's...

Of course, the Siefert piece he was writing about was editorializing too. :)
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Mothman wrote: Because it's a gossip site not a news site. I'm not saying they get everything wrong, just that the nature of the site is different. The site has it's place. News sites aren't wholly reliable either but I think there are degrees of reliability and different editorial standards when it comes to this sort of thing, as well as degrees of professionalism.

Ley's take on that Siefert column was no different than the kind of fan reactions you can read below Siefert's writing or on most sites these days. He just had a more prominent forum in which to air his grievances. It's also different than when Deadspin does a story on something like the Te'o and his "girlfriend". It was pure editorializing. That's fine, but it doesn't make his take accurate or any more meaningful than the next guy's...

Of course, the Siefert piece he was writing about was editorializing too. :)
Deadspin, I would argue, practices greater journalistic integrity than most of their contemporaries. I understand you may like KS, but this article was nothing more than calling him out on his rather obvious disdain for Kluwe. None of the claims made were factually incorrect and the conjecture that they do produce are at least justified.

I don't know, I'm just sick of people putting Deadspin down because it is "unprofessional." They cuss and don't use cookie-cutter grammar..so what? Their credibility has been tarnished by what exactly?
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^ Thanks.

Sometimes you need to go outside the box and not always look at NFL.com, PFT, and Rotoworld. I like reading Deadspin for the most part because it is explicit. My favorite news source is DailyMail UK where nothing is censored at all and they cover things that are hidden in US media.
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DCman11 wrote:Deadspin, I would argue, practices greater journalistic integrity than most of their contemporaries. I understand you may like KS, but this article was nothing more than calling him out on his rather obvious disdain for Kluwe. None of the claims made were factually incorrect and the conjecture that they do produce are at least justified.
As I said, it was purely editorial in nature. the only thing that differentiates it from the kind of thing we do here is that it was published on Deadspin.
I don't know, I'm just sick of people putting Deadspin down because it is "unprofessional." They cuss and don't use cookie-cutter grammar..so what? Their credibility has been tarnished by what exactly?
That behavior, for one.

Look, if you or anybody else likes Deadspin, that's fine. Nobody is saying you can't or shouldn't. The point here is that Tom Ley's little rant calling Siefert's post a "piece of sh##" and Siefert a coward was an unprofessional take by someone with an axe to grind (as he makes pretty clear by beginning his piece with the words "Minnesota Vikings punter and friend of Deadspin Chris Kluwe has been struggling on the field lately"), not some sort of credible evidence that Siefert is a raging right winger who hates Kluwe.

Deadspin is a gossip and opinion site. As I said earlier, there's a place for that but it shouldn't be mistaken for professional journalism.
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