Lions @ Vikings post game

[JJBreaksRecords]

The ones with the current 'mental distress' are the ones with their heads in the sand. Some of the most die hard fans (season ticket holders) slam on the Vikings all the time, as well they should with the history of the Vikings. We love the Vikings as much as the people with philosophies like yours.

We are just as good of 'fans'. Maybe you eternal optimists, that ever year think we are going to the SB every single year, are the ones that should 'bail' on this team. Some of us see the problems and tell them for what they are worth. Problems.

OFC its to early to judge this team right now. We are 2-1 now. Be happy about that and dont care if others point out obvious problems.

My uncle once told me “if you beat your head on a tree and it hurts have enough sense to stop”. If beating one’s head on the Vikings tree hurts find another team or give up football.

There have been frustrations and entire seasons that they sucked so bad that I tuned out. My biggest disappointment aside from trading Tarkenton to the NYG was the Drew Pearson push off and score. I thought that was the best Vikings team ever, what was it, ‘75 or ‘76?

When a person gets older it’s hard to control the BP and dangerous to have sh*t fits watching the Vikings. I try to keep it at arms length and not allow them to affect my health anymore. If I felt like they didn’t have a shot at the playoffs I’d still be a fan but wouldn’t hesitate to miss a game if I got a better offer.

Just saying, if they made me that frustrated I’d jump ship and either cheer for another team or step away from the game. That approach has kept me alive through their entire history and four Super Bowl losses, I must be doing something right.

You are the one complaining. Im just pointing out a few problems. For example, our CBs, are rated 30th. Does that make you feel good? Or the fact KAM picked an injury prone CB to draft when we need help. And he is still injured. I dont know whats up with Evans, but I hope he can play, cause PP and Cam aernt doing a good job (in coverage ). At least both PP and Cam dont mind hitting. Ingram isnt even in the top 15 in pass coverage among guards. Worse than Bradbury even. So you need to calm yourself down when people bring up negative points that they are concerned about. This is a Vikings forum after all, each entitled to their options of whats happening with this team. And hoping coaching and management can fix the things lacking. Like KO himself said, he made mistakes and has a lot to learn.

[VikingLord]

What I don’t understand is why you’d even make a comparison like that. KOC and Childress couldn’t be more different. There are no parallels as far as I can see. If you’re going to compare results, then let’s be fair and give it more than 3 weeks.

Again, I can’t stress enough … watch the video. Listen to how KOC talks about offense. Heck, listen to how he talks about defense. The guy knows what he’s doing, and I’m confident it will start showing up on the field with regularity.

I watched the video, so thanks for pointing that out. It was informative and I enjoyed listening to KOC talk about those situations and how they handled them. He did make a comment that I thought was very interesting when he talked about how he and the players will integrate various in-game adjustments into their playcalling as time goes on and they gain more experience with it. That is a good point and one I didn't consider, but familiarity and experience are important and the only way to get those is with reps and time.

My comments in regards to the parallels between Childress and KOC have nothing to do with their respective personalities and more to do with their respective positions before they joined the Vikings as head coach. In terms of personality and approach they could not be more different.

On the larger point here, I'm just disappointed with what I'm seeing from the offense generally so far. I hope it gets better.

[VikingLord]

I had so much fun at US Bank Stadium last Sunday. Yeah, it was frustrating at times (OK, a lot of times) but when Osborn caught that TD pass, the place was bonkers. Everybody was high-fiving and jumping up and down and shouting and hugging. All was well with the world. Smiles everywhere. After the game, people were walking down the streets of Minneapolis, whooping and hollering and singing the fight song.

I watch the games with my son, daughter and her boyfriend. FWIW, we were all high-fiving and whooping and hollering in the house when Osborne caught that ball.

Don't get me wrong - I'm always happy with a win and I know how hard it is to win in the NFL. Plus, on the very bright side the Vikings got down by 14 at one point and 10 at another and came back both times, which was impressive. I'm happy they are 2-1 and still optimistic about their chances to improve this year.

It's just there are some trends emerging here and I think they're concerning enough to point out and start getting some discussion around why they exist and what can be done for the Vikings to address them yet this year so we're not just hoping for a higher draft pick or a wildcard appearance when all is said-and-done.

[VikingLord]

They dont want to watch Kapp. They dont want to understand and see a difference. They just want to keep their same old negative opinion about everything and run with it. They are so use to complaining and being negative on this board since the day they joined that they dont know any different. It's a habit at this point and if it doesn't fit their initial narrative, they will avoid it. That is becoming more and more apparent by the day. Being critical of something at times is one thing, but going to the extent of not even being able to accept our wins and just saying "good teams are just playing bad against us" and "we havent seen any change" is just ridiculous at this point

Who is "they" exactly? Since Kapp directed his response with the link to me should I assume I'm the "they" you're referring to?

Pondering, I enjoy reading your football related posts a lot. You are a passionate fan and knowledgeable. But my comments that Kapp replied to were not and are not personal. He pointed out some things as counters to my points and posted a video clip that I actually did watch, enjoyed and learned something.

There is no reason to make something personal or question the motives and attitude of an individual just because they point out an issue or say something you don't agree with. Point out the reasons for optimism (which Kapp did), and leave it at that.

If you weren't directing this at me that is fine, but I'm not going to stop calling the pitches as I see them just because someone doesn't like the calls. I'm going to remain authentic and yes, a forever fan of the Minnesota Vikings. I've been on this board for a long time and a member of the original Usenet Vikings group and I ain't going anywhere.

[J. Kapp 11]

What I don’t understand is why you’d even make a comparison like that. KOC and Childress couldn’t be more different. There are no parallels as far as I can see. If you’re going to compare results, then let’s be fair and give it more than 3 weeks.

Again, I can’t stress enough … watch the video. Listen to how KOC talks about offense. Heck, listen to how he talks about defense. The guy knows what he’s doing, and I’m confident it will start showing up on the field with regularity.

I watched the video, so thanks for pointing that out. It was informative and I enjoyed listening to KOC talk about those situations and how they handled them. He did make a comment that I thought was very interesting when he talked about how he and the players will integrate various in-game adjustments into their playcalling as time goes on and they gain more experience with it. That is a good point and one I didn't consider, but familiarity and experience are important and the only way to get those is with reps and time.

My comments in regards to the parallels between Childress and KOC have nothing to do with their respective personalities and more to do with their respective positions before they joined the Vikings as head coach. In terms of personality and approach they could not be more different.

On the larger point here, I'm just disappointed with what I'm seeing from the offense generally so far. I hope it gets better.

Glad you watched it. He does one every week, and I’m always impressed.

There’s been a lot of talk about Mike McDaniel in Miami. The Dolphins are undefeated, while the team he left, San Francisco, has statistically one of the worst offenses in the league. Talk is that Kyle Shanahan is nothing without McDaniel, and that McDaniel was the real brains behind that offense. Supposedly Shanahan is a great play caller, but McDaniel is the designer, and Shanahan is lost without him. Serious shade thrown.

I’m not going there with Sean McVay and Kevin O’Connell, but I will say this. The Rams, while 2-1, are struggling to move the ball. They’ve scored only 3 more points than the Vikings, and their differential is -9. And they’re the Super Bowl champions! Correlation does not equal causation, but at the very least I’d bet McVay misses O’Connell. And I’d bet just about anything that O’Connell was an integral part of every aspect of that offense.

Like you, I’d like to see more scoring and more consistency on offense. That being said, I believe that will happen as this team grows into the new offense. I’m a lot more worried about the defense. Giving up only 18 ppg while surrendering more than 400 yards per game doesn’t seem sustainable.

[Pondering Her Percy]

They dont want to watch Kapp. They dont want to understand and see a difference. They just want to keep their same old negative opinion about everything and run with it. They are so use to complaining and being negative on this board since the day they joined that they dont know any different. It's a habit at this point and if it doesn't fit their initial narrative, they will avoid it. That is becoming more and more apparent by the day. Being critical of something at times is one thing, but going to the extent of not even being able to accept our wins and just saying "good teams are just playing bad against us" and "we havent seen any change" is just ridiculous at this point

Who is "they" exactly? Since Kapp directed his response with the link to me should I assume I'm the "they" you're referring to?

Pondering, I enjoy reading your football related posts a lot. You are a passionate fan and knowledgeable. But my comments that Kapp replied to were not and are not personal. He pointed out some things as counters to my points and posted a video clip that I actually did watch, enjoyed and learned something.

There is no reason to make something personal or question the motives and attitude of an individual just because they point out an issue or say something you don't agree with. Point out the reasons for optimism (which Kapp did), and leave it at that.

If you weren't directing this at me that is fine, but I'm not going to stop calling the pitches as I see them just because someone doesn't like the calls. I'm going to remain authentic and yes, a forever fan of the Minnesota Vikings. I've been on this board for a long time and a member of the original Usenet Vikings group and I ain't going anywhere.

This honestly had nothing to do with you brother. It’s more so the negative complainers on here. I’ve never looked at you like that. Again, critiquing something that went wrong or is going wrong, fine. But when guys start making up bogus reasons to discredit the Vikings wins and hide when things don’t fit their negative narrative, it drives me insane. Again I’m not saying anyone is a “good fan” or a “bad fan”. It’s just that some fans just eat up the negativity and push so hard for the “I told ya so” moment that it honestly makes you question what their purpose is. The packers game sticks out to me the most. We literally haven’t beat the packers that bad in how long? We haven’t held rodgers to 7 points in how long? If ever? And what do you see? A lot of hiding and when they do comment it’s somewhere along the line of “well the offense didn’t do this, the run defense didn’t do that, etc”. Like we just beat the damn packers 23-7!!! Fricken enjoy it! When we get beat by the eagles 24-7, yeah be pis#ed off. Who isn’t? But it’s like guys can’t even enjoy wins without pointing out any flaw they can during those games. Or guys foreshadow before certain games so we aren’t allowed to give credit to those that deserve it after a potential win.

The negativity gets old. Kapp said the same. If we finish 3-13 or drastically underachieve, yeah it’s expected. But we’re 3 games in, 2-1 and 2-0 in the division under a new regime. Let’s see the damn season play out

[Pondering Her Percy]

My uncle once told me “if you beat your head on a tree and it hurts have enough sense to stop”. If beating one’s head on the Vikings tree hurts find another team or give up football.

There have been frustrations and entire seasons that they sucked so bad that I tuned out. My biggest disappointment aside from trading Tarkenton to the NYG was the Drew Pearson push off and score. I thought that was the best Vikings team ever, what was it, ‘75 or ‘76?

When a person gets older it’s hard to control the BP and dangerous to have sh*t fits watching the Vikings. I try to keep it at arms length and not allow them to affect my health anymore. If I felt like they didn’t have a shot at the playoffs I’d still be a fan but wouldn’t hesitate to miss a game if I got a better offer.

Just saying, if they made me that frustrated I’d jump ship and either cheer for another team or step away from the game. That approach has kept me alive through their entire history and four Super Bowl losses, I must be doing something right.

You are the one complaining. Im just pointing out a few problems. For example, our CBs, are rated 30th. Does that make you feel good? Or the fact KAM picked an injury prone CB to draft when we need help. And he is still injured. I dont know whats up with Evans, but I hope he can play, cause PP and Cam aernt doing a good job (in coverage ). At least both PP and Cam dont mind hitting. Ingram isnt even in the top 15 in pass coverage among guards. Worse than Bradbury even. So you need to calm yourself down when people bring up negative points that they are concerned about. This is a Vikings forum after all, each entitled to their options of whats happening with this team. And hoping coaching and management can fix the things lacking. Like KO himself said, he made mistakes and has a lot to learn.

I can honestly say the last person complaining is Stan. Again we’re 3 games in and your ticked off at KAM about booth. Booth was BY FAR the best corner available at that pick. We’re 3 games into his rookie season. Let’s actually see how it plays out. You’re also mad about ingram because he’s not top 15 in pass pro? Is it common for rookie guards to be in the top 15 in pass pro 3 games into their rookie season? Am I missing something? And comparing him to Bradbury? Really? Bradbury has literally played his best 3 game stretch….ever. I would say Stan is pretty darn calm so I’m not sure why you’re telling him to calm down. If anything, you sound ridiculously impatient in that post with how you talk about ingram and booth. THREE games in! Christian Darrisaw didn’t play his first how many games? And year 2 he looks like one of the best young left tackles in the nfl. Justin Jefferson didn’t even start his first two games of his rookie season. His play speaks for itself.

The last person that should be telling anyone to calm down is you after making those points. You’re literally mad about two rookies 3 games into their rookie season. That’s not pointing out problems, that’s being impatient.

And a side note, Stan’s quote from his uncle is something I will now forever live by. Great post Stan

[StanM]

You are the one complaining. Im just pointing out a few problems. For example, our CBs, are rated 30th. Does that make you feel good? Or the fact KAM picked an injury prone CB to draft when we need help. And he is still injured. I dont know whats up with Evans, but I hope he can play, cause PP and Cam aernt doing a good job (in coverage ). At least both PP and Cam dont mind hitting. Ingram isnt even in the top 15 in pass coverage among guards. Worse than Bradbury even. So you need to calm yourself down when people bring up negative points that they are concerned about. This is a Vikings forum after all, each entitled to their options of whats happening with this team. And hoping coaching and management can fix the things lacking. Like KO himself said, he made mistakes and has a lot to learn.

I can honestly say the last person complaining is Stan. Again we’re 3 games in and your ticked off at KAM about booth. Booth was BY FAR the best corner available at that pick. We’re 3 games into his rookie season. Let’s actually see how it plays out. You’re also mad about ingram because he’s not top 15 in pass pro? Is it common for rookie guards to be in the top 15 in pass pro 3 games into their rookie season? Am I missing something? And comparing him to Bradbury? Really? Bradbury has literally played his best 3 game stretch….ever. I would say Stan is pretty darn calm so I’m not sure why you’re telling him to calm down. If anything, you sound ridiculously impatient in that post with how you talk about ingram and booth. THREE games in! Christian Darrisaw didn’t play his first how many games? And year 2 he looks like one of the best young left tackles in the nfl. Justin Jefferson didn’t even start his first two games of his rookie season. His play speaks for itself.

The last person that should be telling anyone to calm down is you after making those points. You’re literally mad about two rookies 3 games into their rookie season. That’s not pointing out problems, that’s being impatient.

And a side note, Stan’s quote from his uncle is something I will now forever live by. Great post Stan

I’m more chill about this season than most, I’ll admit that. I state my opinions and observations right or wrong and if someone wants to try and pull me into the ongoing p*ssing matches I probably won’t respond.

I’m not blind, I see potential problems but no team has a perfect roster. One of the things that stand out about champions is overcoming adversity and finding ways to compensate for the weak links. All the Vikings or any team can do is give it their best shot and try to improve every week. Trotting out some stat that our guy is a few ticks of the clock slower or didn’t jump as high at the combine five years ago so therefore we are doomed and might as well concede the whole season is counter productive. This new management is willing to make adjustments when opportunity presents itself upgrade positions. Common sense says that we are never going to have a perfect roster statistically. Do we have weaknesses? Which team doesn’t? How we navigate our weaknesses will determine our success.

So that is why I don’t delve into the minute details of our weak links. Keeping a positive attitude about our chances keeps me more engaged in the season than beating a dead horse post game every week.

[VikingLord]

Like you, I’d like to see more scoring and more consistency on offense. That being said, I believe that will happen as this team grows into the new offense. I’m a lot more worried about the defense. Giving up only 18 ppg while surrendering more than 400 yards per game doesn’t seem sustainable.

Yeah, I agree too on the defense and I'm trying to figure out what is going on with them. It could be the scheme change. Just like the offense needs time to adjust and get in sync, the defense is in the same boat in a lot of ways.

It's a long season, and if I had to pick the timing on when I hope the Vikings hit their peak on both sides of the ball, December into January is a perfect time.

The Saints defense is going to be an excellent test. If there are signs the offense is starting to get in better sync I expect to see it then.

Also, thanks for that video link again. It's surprisingly easy to get down on the team after so many years of watching them fall short. I really appreciate it when someone on here shares something positive to counteract that. Sometimes the dynamic seems to devolve into different people wanting to be "right" or prove someone else "wrong, but I think sharing something that is basically "OK, you make a point, but check this out for something that might counter that point or show something in a different light" is really useful. I just appreciate that type of response because, at the end of the day we're all fans of this team and we're all on the journey here together.

[VikingLord]

The negativity gets old. Kapp said the same. If we finish 3-13 or drastically underachieve, yeah it’s expected. But we’re 3 games in, 2-1 and 2-0 in the division under a new regime. Let’s see the damn season play out

I agree, but what I find about myself when I'm drifting into negative thinking is that I appreciate some positive thinking to counteract that. If negative thinking is a poison, positivity is the antidote.

Anyway, appreciate the response and I'm reminded that it's still early in the season and the Vikings underwent some important and significant changes this offseason. It will take time for them to adjust, and I am going to be patient while that plays out.

And honestly, the more I think about how Kirk led the team on the drive to win against the Lions, the more psyched I am. Last year, that drive would have failed and/or the defense would have conceded on the Lions last drive. Neither happened in that game and that alone is reason to believe that this season is going to be different.