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VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:06 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 3:33 pm
Yes, that’s the one.

Glad I’m not the only one who finds it an incredible breakdown.

If the Rams offensive concepts are so good that we can watch a video about them and think they're great they're probably already out of date.

vikeinmontana wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:02 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:06 pm
If the Rams offensive concepts are so good that we can watch a video about them and think they're great they're probably already out of date.

Oh man VV. Now you're REALLY reaching for reasons why O'Connell was a bad hire!

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:07 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:06 pm
If the Rams offensive concepts are so good that we can watch a video about them and think they're great they're probably already out of date.

So in other words, you haven't watched the video.

The ironic thing is that if you actually do watch the video, you see that Boone goes all the way back to KOC's days in Washington to analyze a play ... with Kirk Cousins as quarterback. Same 4x1 concept (watch the video if you want to know what that means), different use of personnel and motion. Same stress on the linebackers. Same easy red-zone touchdowns as LA scored against Tampa Bay just two weeks ago. There are so many variations of what can be done out of a single formation. Different route combinations. Different players in the various positions of the formation. Motions and shifts that allow the quarterback to make a pre-snap read and call a route combo at the line that puts the team in the best play, and puts the pressure on the most vulnerable part of the defense. This is so far and above what Klint Kubiak and his Training Wheels Offense was doing ... and Cousins threw for 4,200 yards in THAT situation.

Before you criticize, please take the time and watch the video. You'll see that if the Vikings keep Cousins, this offense has every chance of making him significantly better. Look what it's done for Stafford. I would think as an ardent fan of Cousins, you'd want that.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:13 am

vikeinmontana wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:02 pm

Oh man VV. Now you're REALLY reaching for reasons why O'Connell was a bad hire!

If we as message board fans can watch a video about them and comprehend them they are probably too simplistic to work against actual NFL defenses. I really don't like the hire of O'Connell. It's the typical he was the offensive coordinator for a good team type of hire and those don't have a great track record of working out. Of course I hope he's great. I don't like the hire of Kwesi either. I guess I'm just a grumpy old man now.

vikeinmontana wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:53 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:13 am
If we as message board fans can watch a video about them and comprehend them they are probably too simplistic to work against actual NFL defenses. I really don't like the hire of O'Connell. It's the typical he was the offensive coordinator for a good team type of hire and those don't have a great track record of working out. Of course I hope he's great. I don't like the hire of Kwesi either. I guess I'm just a grumpy old man now.
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If you understand all the intricacies of that film, as well as the schemes and different formations that can be run off it, that speaks more to your football mind than it does the lack of imagination from O'Connell.

For what it's worth, I watched a video years ago of Belichick breaking down tape and it was fascinating. As a former player I understood some of it, but the way he explained it and all the possibilities based on what the offense was doing was amazing. I assume some could say that if he was sharing those things publicly and people understood it, that it was already out of date. He's seemed to be ok.

One thing I've noticed in my fandom is people seem to really oversimplify plays in the NFL. If it works, it's amazing. If it doesn't; terrible. If the common fan knew the hundreds of options available with every single formation, movement, scheme etc. I think they'd be blown away. It's the main reason I don't think playcallers are the end all be all of a successful coach. There are literally almost 100 hours of prep every week going into a game.

Exactly and no way am I going to claim to understand those intricacies.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:50 pm

vikeinmontana wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:53 pm
Exactly and no way am I going to claim to understand those intricacies.

I got ya. But I guess I don't understand your gripe then. It was an awesome video. It doesn't mean all of us understood it all completely or the options that are available. It certainly doesn't mean it's too simple and defenses are prepared for it. It's also not like it's some sort of magical play he's claiming scores touchdowns every single time it's run.

I think he's a brilliant offensive mind from what I'm learning. That doesn't always translate to wins though. Being a head coach is WAY more than understanding the game. Talk to any coach in the league and you'll be floored with their knowledge. It's a matter of putting it all together. But we shouldn't pretend the guy is just using his index finger and drawing plays in the dirt either.

You should check it out. I thought it was very interesting.

vikeinmontana wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:12 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:50 pm

I got ya. But I guess I don't understand your gripe then. It was an awesome video. It doesn't mean all of us understood it all completely or the options that are available. It certainly doesn't mean it's too simple and defenses are prepared for it. It's also not like it's some sort of magical play he's claiming scores touchdowns every single time it's run.

I think he's a brilliant offensive mind from what I'm learning. That doesn't always translate to wins though. Being a head coach is WAY more than understanding the game. Talk to any coach in the league and you'll be floored with their knowledge. It's a matter of putting it all together. But we shouldn't pretend the guy is just using his index finger and drawing plays in the dirt either.

You should check it out. I thought it was very interesting.

I'll take a look, but most likely I won't understand it and find it boring.
OMG it's over an hour long and I have to put up with Zulgud and Mackey. At least give me a time stamp to start watching.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:16 am

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:07 pm
So in other words, you haven't watched the video.

The ironic thing is that if you actually do watch the video, you see that Boone goes all the way back to KOC's days in Washington to analyze a play ... with Kirk Cousins as quarterback. Same 4x1 concept (watch the video if you want to know what that means), different use of personnel and motion. Same stress on the linebackers. Same easy red-zone touchdowns as LA scored against Tampa Bay just two weeks ago. There are so many variations of what can be done out of a single formation. Different route combinations. Different players in the various positions of the formation. Motions and shifts that allow the quarterback to make a pre-snap read and call a route combo at the line that puts the team in the best play, and puts the pressure on the most vulnerable part of the defense. This is so far and above what Klint Kubiak and his Training Wheels Offense was doing ... and Cousins threw for 4,200 yards in THAT situation.

Before you criticize, please take the time and watch the video. You'll see that if the Vikings keep Cousins, this offense has every chance of making him significantly better. Look what it's done for Stafford. I would think as an ardent fan of Cousins, you'd want that.

I didn't bother watching it because I'm sure I'm not a good enough x and o guy to understand it. I hope it's incredible.

Until proven otherwise I'm of the belief that McVay not O'Connell is the brains/driving force behind the successful Rams offense.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:33 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:16 am
I didn't bother watching it because I'm sure I'm not a good enough x and o guy to understand it. I hope it's incredible.

Until proven otherwise I'm of the belief that McVay not O'Connell is the brains/driving force behind the successful Rams offense.

Thanks. This conversation isn’t pursuing. At least not with you.

You don’t like McConnell. You do like Cousins. You don’t have an open mind on either. Got it.

I tried.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:08 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:33 pm
Thanks. This conversation isn’t pursuing. At least not with you.

You don’t like McConnell. You do like Cousins. You don’t have an open mind on either. Got it.

I tried.

What makes you think I don't have an open mind? I'm just giving my opinion. I'm fully aware that my opinion on O'Connell could easily be wrong. What do I have to do to show I have an open mind? Agree with you? I've seen enough of Cousins to be very convinced that he's very good so I guess I can't be convinced that he sucks. He might not be as good as I think he is.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:29 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:08 pm
What makes you think I don't have an open mind? I'm just giving my opinion. I'm fully aware that my opinion on O'Connell could easily be wrong. What do I have to do to show I have an open mind? Agree with you? I've seen enough of Cousins to be very convinced that he's very good so I guess I can't be convinced that he sucks. He might not be as good as I think he is.

I didn’t say you had to agree with me. Think whatever you want. I don’t give a hoot.

But stop claiming I said Cousins sucks. Never said that. I said he’s not worth the cap hit.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:51 am

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:29 pm
I didn’t say you had to agree with me. Think whatever you want. I don’t give a hoot.

But stop claiming I said Cousins sucks. Never said that. I said he’s not worth the cap hit.

First of all I 100% agree with you that he isn't worth the cap hit, but that's not his fault. It's the fault of the Vikings kicking the can down the road.
Quit acting like I said you said he sucks. You are jumping to conclusions/making assumptions again. I never said that at all. I know you don't think he sucks. However, since many say he sucks I wanted to point out that I could not be convinced of that.

And to top this off you flat out said I don't have an open mind and that's flat out false. I gave my opinions at this time and they're totally subject to change. Cousins less so because I have a lot more knowledge of that subject than I do of O'Connell.

CharVike wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:52 am

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:51 am
First of all I 100% agree with you that he isn't worth the cap hit, but that's not his fault. It's the fault of the Vikings kicking the can down the road.
Quit acting like I said you said he sucks. You are jumping to conclusions/making assumptions again. I never said that at all. I know you don't think he sucks. However, since many say he sucks I wanted to point out that I could not be convinced of that.

And to top this off you flat out said I don't have an open mind and that's flat out false. I gave my opinions at this time and they're totally subject to change. Cousins less so because I have a lot more knowledge of that subject than I do of O'Connell.

All this stuff starting coming out about Cousins CAP hit of 45 million I thought you can't pay him 45 million. He's not making 45 million. This is a smoke and mirrors number. We could post any number for the CAP hit. Matt Ryan's cap hit is 13.6 mi;;ion. That's BS he's making alot more than that. I guess the CAP hit comes at the end and it will be 200 million or something. You can make any player on our team look extremely over paid just by doing this CAP magic BS. Cousins makes 35 million without the magic or slap stick CAP drip applied. How does this idiot Brez survive this mess. He's a stupid CAP guy. So when people say Cousins sucks because of the hit are wrong. Move the hit to Smith. He had nothing to do with the hit. I'm sure many will blame Cousins for that thug CB Speilman picked who is costing CAP and doing nothing. That will be a 5 year hit. Unless they do magic and push it in Cousins basket then his hit will be 70 million. Then people will #### about that. People should stop saying CAP it's a phantom number. Make it what ever you want like the Falcons do with Ryan.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:51 am

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:29 pm
I didn’t say you had to agree with me. Think whatever you want. I don’t give a hoot.

But stop claiming I said Cousins sucks. Never said that. I said he’s not worth the cap hit.

First of all I 100% agree with you that he isn't worth the cap hit, but that's not his fault. It's the fault of the Vikings kicking the can down the road.
Quit acting like I said you said he sucks. You are jumping to conclusions/making assumptions again. I never said that at all. I know you don't think he sucks. However, since many say he sucks I wanted to point out that I could not be convinced of that.

And to top this off you flat out said I don't have an open mind and that's flat out false. I gave my opinions at this time and they're totally subject to change. Cousins less so because I have a lot more knowledge of that subject than I do of O'Connell.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:06 am

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:51 am
First of all I 100% agree with you that he isn't worth the cap hit, but that's not his fault. It's the fault of the Vikings kicking the can down the road.
Quit acting like I said you said he sucks. You are jumping to conclusions/making assumptions again. I never said that at all. I know you don't think he sucks. However, since many say he sucks I wanted to point out that I could not be convinced of that.

And to top this off you flat out said I don't have an open mind and that's flat out false. I gave my opinions at this time and they're totally subject to change. Cousins less so because I have a lot more knowledge of that subject than I do of O'Connell.

You expressed an opinion that O’Connell was a bad hire. You said the NFL has already caught up with his offense. Then you refuse to watch a video that offers plenty of proof that the NFL hasn’t caught up.

But hey, it’s all me, right?