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Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:24 pm
by S197
Part of the perception may be due to the actual creation of the thread, which is my fault. Someone posted during halftime that they weren't able to see the game and was wondering what was going on. So I provided a summary of the first half, admittedly in a very pissed off state.
Typically we don't create threads during the game so I just made it into the post game thread. I was just trying to reduce the # of threads but in the process I probably inadvertently led people to believe those original posts were postgame thoughts. It was actually mid-game commentary.
My apologies on that front, I think by starting things off so negative, it influenced the overall sentiment of the thread, which was not my intention.
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:28 pm
by StumpHunter
S197 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:24 pm
Part of the perception may be due to the actual creation of the thread, which is my fault. Someone posted during halftime that they weren't able to see the game and was wondering what was going on. So I provided a summary of the first half, admittedly in a very pissed off state.
Typically we don't create threads during the game so I just made it into the post game thread. I was just trying to reduce the # of threads but in the process I probably inadvertently led people to believe those original posts were postgame thoughts. It was actually mid-game commentary.
My apologies on that front, I think by starting things off so negative, it influenced the overall sentiment of the thread, which was not my intention.
People should actually read someone's post and the context they were writing it in.
Other people's lack of reading comprehension is not your fault.
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:49 pm
by cmoss84
This was one of the more stressful games I have ever watched. I went from excited, to angry, to laughing at how bad it got, to excited, to nearly stroking out. I was shaking at the end of the game and was having trouble speaking. lol.
Reason to be CONCERNED about the first half? I'm not sure that is how I see it. A few times every season, there is a perfect storm that makes a half either perfect or absolutely dog$hit. The first half was one of those halves. People need to give a little more credit to Denver. They were 3-2 in their last 5 games and coming off of a bye. They had a good game plan. They executed.
When we jumped off-sides in the 3rd on the punt, I thought to myself that all momentum was killed and that was our last chance. We battled. Crazy comeback, and yes, a lot of character shown by a lot of players.
Now, we have a chance of resting our players and regrouping. These are good things. Seattle plays in Philly this week-and Philly is playing decent football. Hope they grind it out and take everything out of the Sea-chickens. Also hope the 49's heal up and take it to the Packers.
We are in a good spot right now, and with momentum-that is all I care about after this game.
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:06 pm
by Maelstrom88
The offense was one dimensional and played a very tough defense. Kirk led the team to victory and is worth what he is being paid. It would not be easy to get a better QB. The defense has problems, particularly in the secondary, but still has time to tighten things up. Zimmer is a great defensive coach and they have talent. No reason to be super pessimistic at this point in the season. Great resilience on display. Championship teams need that attribute.
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:20 pm
by Pondering Her Percy
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:16 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:49 pm
YV, nobody “came in with their own agenda”. You call it “bashed”, I call it bit##ing and complaining. Guys were definitely doing that early on in this thread. That is what was initially talked about was mistakes cousins made, focused on his first half, not taking a shot on a free play, etc.
Do you really think Kapp, myself, negotiator, etc would just come on here to defend a player that’s not getting ragged on? And essentially make that up? No. I can’t entirely speak for them but I know they will probably agree with me in the sense that we all initially came on here following the game excited and wanted to discuss this awesome win with other members. But when we read this thread, it’s more complaining than it is praise. Guys were literally complaining after we did something 99 teams couldn’t do over the last 5 years. Cousins again proved all the haters wrong and it was a hell of a comeback. Something you don’t see the Vikings do often. But guys are calling out cousins because of his failure to take a shot on a free play? Or complaining that we crapped the bed against a bad team early basically implying this wasn’t even a good win (which on a side note: Denver has lost 3 games by 2 points and another one by 4 points) and so on. Like yeah sure we can discuss the first half but holy hell we made an insane comeback and showed a lot regarding the fight in this team. We could play the patriots or the dolphins, it’s tough to walk all over any team in this league.
In the end, I don’t get why we’re still seeing the constant complaining after wins. No matter who we beat or how we beat them, cousins is still complained about and this team in general is still complained about. And we’re 8-3 and 6-1 in our last 7 games. Just baffles me and by the looks of it, I’m not the only one that feels this way
Where is all this complaining about Cousins? One guy, ONE, made this thread talking about him and the defense playing poorly when they WERE playing poorly. After that I am not reading the negativity about anything but the defense.
Outrage over imaginary outrage. This board is ridiculous.
So I guess half the posters in this thread have “imaginary outrage” then? If you think the board is so ridiculous, then feel free to leave. Surprisingly you weren’t the one complaining about this game when 99% of the time you are the root of it. But multiple guys have spoke out saying the complaining has been a problem. Especially when we win. Nobody is making this up. It’s been consistent throughout this 6-1 run. Instead of guys being exited for what’s going on, they are more concerned with complaining about what goes wrong. When you live in the negative, you start to believe the negative and that’s what’s happening on this board. Guys are buying into the negative at 8-3 and on a 6-1 run. If it wasn’t an issue, multiple guys wouldn’t be bringing it up
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:00 pm
by Mogvet
I will be the first to apologize to the Vikings as I gave up on them at halftime, I need to stop being a fair weather fan even though it's been going on so long, either be a fan or not. I failed my team and the fans on this board I apologize to you all.
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:38 pm
by Maelstrom88
Also, why can't these guys get stops on 3rd down? Credit to Kearse on that last drive he won the game for them on defense.
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:04 pm
by Pondering Her Percy
Mogvet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:00 pm
I will be the first to apologize to the Vikings as I gave up on them at halftime, I need to stop being a fair weather fan even though it's been going on so long, either be a fan or not. I failed my team and the fans on this board I apologize to you all.
No need to apologize man. I get the frustration at halftime. We were playing poorly. It’s more so what happens after wins that bothers some of us.
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:52 am
by Bowhunting Viking
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:04 pm
Mogvet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:00 pm
I will be the first to apologize to the Vikings as I gave up on them at halftime, I need to stop being a fair weather fan even though it's been going on so long, either be a fan or not. I failed my team and the fans on this board I apologize to you all.
No need to apologize man. I get the frustration at halftime. We were playing poorly. It’s more so what happens after wins that bothers some of us.
Yes same here buddy. Trust me at halftime my wife came down to the basement through living room man cave and said how bad is it, as she heard the yelling and the anger wafting to the 2nd floor. I said we r done. Its 20-0 and we r sucking bad. It's over. She said you mean like it was done in that Minneapolis Miracle game. She reminded me how I said theres now way we can win, and then it happened.
Now she isnt a huge fan. But she said some wisdom. " if the Bill's scored 20 in the 1st half theres no reason the Viking can't score more and come back. They will end up winning". Then she dissapeared back upstairs, until she came back down after Kearse knocked the pass down and gave me the "See I told ya so. You need to stay positive and not give up"
With our history it's easy to be that way, but I need to heed her advice and always remember we can come back.. and WE DID.
I have hope that we can still get on fire and do some serious damage.
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:37 am
by StumpHunter
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:20 pm
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:16 pm
Where is all this complaining about Cousins? One guy, ONE, made this thread talking about him and the defense playing poorly when they WERE playing poorly. After that I am not reading the negativity about anything but the defense.
Outrage over imaginary outrage. This board is ridiculous.
So I guess half the posters in this thread have “imaginary outrage” then? If you think the board is so ridiculous, then feel free to leave. Surprisingly you weren’t the one complaining about this game when 99% of the time you are the root of it. But multiple guys have spoke out saying the complaining has been a problem. Especially when we win. Nobody is making this up. It’s been consistent throughout this 6-1 run. Instead of guys being exited for what’s going on, they are more concerned with complaining about what goes wrong. When you live in the negative, you start to believe the negative and that’s what’s happening on this board. Guys are buying into the negative at 8-3 and on a 6-1 run. If it wasn’t an issue, multiple guys wouldn’t be bringing it up
The team played terrible for an entire half, against a 3 win team, at home. There is going to be negativity.
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:02 am
by Pondering Her Percy
Bowhunting Viking wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:52 am
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:04 pm
No need to apologize man. I get the frustration at halftime. We were playing poorly. It’s more so what happens after wins that bothers some of us.
Yes same here buddy. Trust me at halftime my wife came down to the basement through living room man cave and said how bad is it, as she heard the yelling and the anger wafting to the 2nd floor. I said we r done. Its 20-0 and we r sucking bad. It's over. She said you mean like it was done in that Minneapolis Miracle game. She reminded me how I said theres now way we can win, and then it happened.
Now she isnt a huge fan. But she said some wisdom. " if the Bill's scored 20 in the 1st half theres no reason the Viking can't score more and come back. They will end up winning". Then she dissapeared back upstairs, until she came back down after Kearse knocked the pass down and gave me the "See I told ya so. You need to stay positive and not give up"
With our history it's easy to be that way, but I need to heed her advice and always remember we can come back.. and WE DID.
I have hope that we can still get on fire and do some serious damage.
Yeah man as I was leaving the stadium, I heard so many fans around me say "Wow that never happens to us". Which is often true. When we lay an egg, we lay it hard. The Vikes were booed off the field at halftime. But I told my buddy Nick that was with me and I said it in the chat, if we can shut out Rodgers and GB on the road the entire 2nd half being down 21-0, we can do it to this team, we just need to adjust". And adjusting is exactly what they did. I read that Stefanski drew up that Cook screen on a white board. Which was an excellent design because Cook lined up on the left side of Cousins, the blocking made the play look like it was going left and Cook came across the formation and had like a 38 yard gain. And if you saw it from where we were sitting and not on TV, the entire side of that field was completely empty.
This is one thing I have stressed on here is how Stefanski/Kubiak ADJUST. This is something Flip never did. Instead he panicked and went pass happy 99% of the time. Stefanski/Kubiak do a great job finding ways to keep a defense on their toes. And if something isnt working, they move on from it. From week 5 on, they have been unbelievable. Far better than the joke we had last year
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:17 am
by Thaumaturgist
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:20 pm
So I guess half the posters in this thread have “imaginary outrage” then? If you think the board is so ridiculous, then feel free to leave. Surprisingly you weren’t the one complaining about this game when 99% of the time you are the root of it. But multiple guys have spoke out saying the complaining has been a problem. Especially when we win. Nobody is making this up. It’s been consistent throughout this 6-1 run. Instead of guys being exited for what’s going on, they are more concerned with complaining about what goes wrong. When you live in the negative, you start to believe the negative and that’s what’s happening on this board. Guys are buying into the negative at 8-3 and on a 6-1 run. If it wasn’t an issue, multiple guys wouldn’t be bringing it up
So, we're not allowed to question what went wrong? Especially when we win?
Look. I'm as happy as the next Vikings fan that we won, and I cheered (well, if I'm honest... it was more like a sigh of relief, then a cheer) when we won. That doesn't mean that people can't question some of the very real issues that this team is having. While I don't want to dwell in the negative, that doesn't mean that we should stick our heads in the sand, and pretend that everything is perfect in Valhalla.
At the end of the day, we don't have any bearing on how the team plays or what decisions the front office makes. I'll cheer for the Vikings until the day I die because that's who I am. A vikings fan. That doesn't mean that I don't question the decisions, or that I'm not disappointed in how they play during any given series/quarter/half/game/season. I wish I had the ability to be perfectly content with where the Vikings are at, and I applaud those of you who can. For me, at this point I still see flaws that I would like the team to address or fix. I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I'm sorry if it comes across as too negative. I don't mean it to be, I think we're all just passionate about our team, and we want them to finally win the big one! Winning a game is great, and I'm happy when we do that. However, against some better teams, going into the half with 20-0 deficit will not cut it.
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:19 am
by Pondering Her Percy
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:37 am
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:20 pm
So I guess half the posters in this thread have “imaginary outrage” then? If you think the board is so ridiculous, then feel free to leave. Surprisingly you weren’t the one complaining about this game when 99% of the time you are the root of it. But multiple guys have spoke out saying the complaining has been a problem. Especially when we win. Nobody is making this up. It’s been consistent throughout this 6-1 run. Instead of guys being exited for what’s going on, they are more concerned with complaining about what goes wrong. When you live in the negative, you start to believe the negative and that’s what’s happening on this board. Guys are buying into the negative at 8-3 and on a 6-1 run. If it wasn’t an issue, multiple guys wouldn’t be bringing it up
The team played terrible for an entire half, against a 3 win team, at home. There is going to be negativity.
Of course there will be negativity during the game when we're down 20-0. But the problem that many of us have come AFTER the WINS. And I dont know why them being a 3 win team matters?? They have lost 3 games by 2 points and 1 game by 4 points. That's 4 loses by a grand total of 10 points. And they have a top 5 defense. They are 10 points away from being 7-3. I also think Brandon Allen is a better QB than Joe Flacco right now.
Again, I dont look at record nearly as often as you do. Records do not tell the whole story. There are plenty of teams out there playing better than their record shows or worse than their record shows. I always say it's a "surface argument" by you. The Bills are worse than 7-3, the Colts and Texans are both slightly better than 6-4 IMO, the Raiders are worse than 6-4, the Broncos are better than 3-7, the Chargers are better than 4-7, the Falcons are better than 3-7, the Rams are better than 6-4. I even think the Saints are slightly worse than 8-2. Same with the Packers. Also the Patriots. I think they are a little worse than their record shows. Their schedule has been a joke. They've played 2 winning teams in 10 games. 3 leading up to Sunday (Bills, Ravens, Eagles). They beat the Bills by 6, got smoked by Baltimore and beat Philly by 7. I think their defense looks so good because the teams they've played have been SO bad. So that's what you get when you just look at records. You dont get the whole story. So the "Denver has 3 wins" argument doesnt fly with me.
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:38 am
by Pondering Her Percy
Thaumaturgist wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:17 am
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:20 pm
So I guess half the posters in this thread have “imaginary outrage” then? If you think the board is so ridiculous, then feel free to leave. Surprisingly you weren’t the one complaining about this game when 99% of the time you are the root of it. But multiple guys have spoke out saying the complaining has been a problem. Especially when we win. Nobody is making this up. It’s been consistent throughout this 6-1 run. Instead of guys being exited for what’s going on, they are more concerned with complaining about what goes wrong. When you live in the negative, you start to believe the negative and that’s what’s happening on this board. Guys are buying into the negative at 8-3 and on a 6-1 run. If it wasn’t an issue, multiple guys wouldn’t be bringing it up
So, we're not allowed to question what went wrong? Especially when we win?
Look. I'm as happy as the next Vikings fan that we won, and I cheered (well, if I'm honest... it was more like a sigh of relief, then a cheer) when we won. That doesn't mean that people can't question some of the very real issues that this team is having. While I don't want to dwell in the negative, that doesn't mean that we should stick our heads in the sand, and pretend that everything is perfect in Valhalla.
At the end of the day, we don't have any bearing on how the team plays or what decisions the front office makes. I'll cheer for the Vikings until the day I die because that's who I am. A vikings fan. That doesn't mean that I don't question the decisions, or that I'm not disappointed in how they play during any given series/quarter/half/game/season. I wish I had the ability to be perfectly content with where the Vikings are at, and I applaud those of you who can. For me, at this point I still see flaws that I would like the team to address or fix. I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I'm sorry if it comes across as too negative. I don't mean it to be, I think we're all just passionate about our team, and we want them to finally win the big one! Winning a game is great, and I'm happy when we do that. However, against some better teams, going into the half with 20-0 deficit will not cut it.
Nobody is saying we cant question what went wrong. It's just after a win, you dont expect guys to sit in the negative. Some do that. Others are very quiet during wins and are a constant poster during losses. We cant control how people post, but some guys need to just lighten up a bit. We're 8-3, not 3-8. Not even .500. We're 8 and fricken 3. It's depressing coming on here after a win and see guys constantly questioning Cousins still, questioning the team still, etc. At first it was Cousins cant beat a winning team, then he does but the team isnt good enough, then it's well Cousins might have beat a winning team but he cant win in primetime, then he does, then it's Cousins cant comeback from a large deficit, then he does and so on. Like what's next, Cousins cant win a playoff game? Then a SB? I'm giggling my ti#s off because this guy is continuing to prove the media wrong, fans wrong, etc. And right when he does prove people wrong, they go into defense mode trying to say how it practically doesnt count. This TEAM is continuing to prove people wrong. Yeah we have our weak areas but they are fighters and battle tested. That's what you want going into the playoffs.
Like the board is just as depressing as it was at the end of last season. Of course we as Viking fans have gone through heartbreak but when the team is rolling, the team is rolling. Be happy, be excited for what's next. Kirk Cousins has given the haters 0 leg to stand on anymore, this team has given the doubters 0 leg to stand on anymore. This is a good team and one of the most dangerous teams in the NFC right now because Cook can beat you, Cousins can beat you, the WRs can beat you, the TEs can beat you, if the defense gets their head out of their as# they can beat you. I see little reason to be negative right now. Everything is open to criticism but it's still occurring far too often and it seems like some fans cant find a way to be happy and just flat out enjoy being miserable on here. Or they go into hiding when they have little negativity to contribute because they know they have no leg to stand on. We're all rooting for the same thing here guys.
Re: Broncos Post Game Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:07 pm
by VikeFanInEagleLand
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:38 am
Thaumaturgist wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:17 am
So, we're not allowed to question what went wrong? Especially when we win?
Look. I'm as happy as the next Vikings fan that we won, and I cheered (well, if I'm honest... it was more like a sigh of relief, then a cheer) when we won. That doesn't mean that people can't question some of the very real issues that this team is having. While I don't want to dwell in the negative, that doesn't mean that we should stick our heads in the sand, and pretend that everything is perfect in Valhalla.
At the end of the day, we don't have any bearing on how the team plays or what decisions the front office makes. I'll cheer for the Vikings until the day I die because that's who I am. A vikings fan. That doesn't mean that I don't question the decisions, or that I'm not disappointed in how they play during any given series/quarter/half/game/season. I wish I had the ability to be perfectly content with where the Vikings are at, and I applaud those of you who can. For me, at this point I still see flaws that I would like the team to address or fix. I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I'm sorry if it comes across as too negative. I don't mean it to be, I think we're all just passionate about our team, and we want them to finally win the big one! Winning a game is great, and I'm happy when we do that. However, against some better teams, going into the half with 20-0 deficit will not cut it.
Nobody is saying we cant question what went wrong. It's just after a win, you dont expect guys to sit in the negative. Some do that. Others are very quiet during wins and are a constant poster during losses. We cant control how people post, but some guys need to just lighten up a bit. We're 8-3, not 3-8. Not even .500. We're 8 and fricken 3. It's depressing coming on here after a win and see guys constantly questioning Cousins still, questioning the team still, etc. At first it was Cousins cant beat a winning team, then he does but the team isnt good enough, then it's well Cousins might have beat a winning team but he cant win in primetime, then he does, then it's Cousins cant comeback from a large deficit, then he does and so on. Like what's next, Cousins cant win a playoff game? Then a SB? I'm giggling my ti#s off because this guy is continuing to prove the media wrong, fans wrong, etc. And right when he does prove people wrong, they go into defense mode trying to say how it practically doesnt count. This TEAM is continuing to prove people wrong. Yeah we have our weak areas but they are fighters and battle tested. That's what you want going into the playoffs.
Like the board is just as depressing as it was at the end of last season. Of course we as Viking fans have gone through heartbreak but when the team is rolling, the team is rolling. Be happy, be excited for what's next. Kirk Cousins has given the haters 0 leg to stand on anymore, this team has given the doubters 0 leg to stand on anymore. This is a good team and one of the most dangerous teams in the NFC right now because Cook can beat you, Cousins can beat you, the WRs can beat you, the TEs can beat you, if the defense gets their head out of their as# they can beat you. I see little reason to be negative right now. Everything is open to criticism but it's still occurring far too often and it seems like some fans cant find a way to be happy and just flat out enjoy being miserable on here. Or they go into hiding when they have little negativity to contribute because they know they have no leg to stand on. We're all rooting for the same thing here guys.
Great post Thaumaturgist. This is why some are "quiet during wins". Because no matter how excited we are that the Vikings are winning, it doesn't mean some of us don't have concerns. I have some, and they are not based on one bad half, or one good half, or even a good game or bad game. I hope they fix what I perceive to be flaws over the bye week and going forward. We can disagree what some of those flaws are, but that's just a difference of opinion. I've talked about what I think those flaws are but for now, I just want to enjoy a great comeback win because that's what it was.