Norv

[mondry]

LOL and i edited my post to match your edit! JIM WE NEED HELP! LOL

I blame the norv thread for why we can't get in sync.... ba dum bum.

[DK Sweets]

LOL and i edited my post to match your edit! JIM WE NEED HELP! LOL

I blame the norv thread for why we can't get in sync.... ba dum bum.

To answer your question, 3 of those seasons were with Miami, 2 were with Carolina.

[dead_poet]

VT Question of the Week: Time Running Out for Norv Turner?

http://vikingsterritory.com/2015/questi ... orv-turner

[The Breeze]

VT Question of the Week: Time Running Out for Norv Turner?

http://vikingsterritory.com/2015/questi ... orv-turner

something I found interesting at the beginning of the article:

Zampese has interviewed in the past for offensive coordinator positions, and will most likely be a hot candidate again this offseason. If by chance Norv Turner was a “Rick Spielman” hire, and I think he was, Zimmer will certainly have the clout “now” to get his guy this offseason. Of all the coaches contacted, Zampese was the only one without offensive coordinator experience. Turner, Mike Mularkey, and Scott Linehan all had connections with the Vikings and also offensive coordinator experience. So, how did Zampese’s name even make the list? Obviously, Zimmer thinks highly of him.

Did Spielman persuade Zimmer to hire an assistant coach with a proven offensive coordinator track record? Let’s just say, if the offense continues to struggle developing Teddy Bridgewater, Zampese is one name to keep an eye on this offseason.

First time I have heard of this being a possibility....is everyone just assuming Norv was the guy Zimmer wanted?

[PurpleMustReign]

something I found interesting at the beginning of the article: First time I have heard of this being a possibility....is everyone just assuming Norv was the guy Zimmer wanted?

That is really interesting. I assumed Norv was Zimmer hire too.

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[dead_poet]

something I found interesting at the beginning of the article: First time I have heard of this being a possibility....is everyone just assuming Norv was the guy Zimmer wanted?

I can't imagine Zimmer agreeing (and Rick hiring) if those two weren't on the same page. I absolutely think given Mike's unfamiliarity with the offense that the team wanted to hire someone with proven experience to run that unit.

[Mothman]

VT Question of the Week: Time Running Out for Norv Turner?

http://vikingsterritory.com/2015/questi ... orv-turner

Thanks for the link.

Two things:

1.) Early in the article, there's a line that begins: "Teddy Bridgewater proved at the end of last season that he’s capable of carrying Norv Turner’s offense..."

I see this basic refrain repeated again and again and I'm NOT trying to pick on Bridgewater but I do wonder: when, exactly, did this happen? Bridgewater had a few good games later in the 2014 season (especially @Miami) and I guess carrying the offense for even one game demonstrates that capability but unless a few performances constitute the kind of "proof" referred to above, it seems to me the idea that Bridgewater can carry any offense remains an open question. Why is the idea that he's already proven he can do it so firmly entrenched in people's minds?

2.) Back to Norv: why on earth does "Carl" in the article seem to think Turner was a Spielman hire and that Zimmer was somehow prevented from getting his guy?!

[The Breeze]

I can't imagine Zimmer agreeing (and Rick hiring) if those two weren't on the same page. I absolutely think given Mike's unfamiliarity with the offense that the team wanted to hire someone with proven experience to run that unit.

I can't either. But I'm encouraged to believe that there are some guys that Zimmer may have more faith in going forward.

this last paragraph intrigues me, especially the bolded part:

As explained on Buffalo Rumblings, the EP relies on possessing the football and winning the battle for time of possession. Plays are called by concept, not by the route numbering that’s made Norv Turner’s Air Coryell such a staple around the league. Concept-based routes allow teams to run the same play out of multiple formations. The flexibility that comes from an EP offense makes life easier for a quarterback — if he understands the alignment of his receivers, he can dissect who will be open before the snap. Players can be interchangeable, giving the Vikings multiple options out of the same few looks.

Former NFL coach Charlie Weiss made the system famous in New England, and Bill Parcells kickstarted the trend with the New York Giants. Current Vikings offensive line coach Jeff Davidson ran the system in Carolina as the Panthers’ offensive coordinator. Each had varying levels of success, and the quick-hitting attack may work well for a quarterback like Bridgewater.

I really think that this ability is really what sets guys like Brady, Manning and Rodgers apart. I think we will see it from Mariota before long too.
Systems designed to take advantage of the QBs brains as well,as their physical attributes. Brent Farve was a guy like that.

[mondry]

I really think that this ability is really what sets guys like Brady, Manning and Rodgers apart. I think we will see it from Mariota before long too.
Systems designed to take advantage of the QBs brains as well,as their physical attributes. Brent Farve was a guy like that.

Yeah that's the kind of system I want too, Teddy is very cerebral and it matches his ability so much better. We see Brady throwing 5-15 yard passes to edelman and his guys all day, just quick hitting stuff that gets the ball out. IMO it's really the only way to play offense, like why rely on deep vertical routes that take time to develop? If your OL ever takes an injury or simply regresses for whatever reason everything falls apart. I would bet that when Turners been fired you could take a look at the state of the team's O-line and find a correlation that they weren't very good.

Obviously when you look at the Steelers throwing deep early and often has it's benefits for them but I think the NE system fits Teddy better and the one we should aim to be like.

[The Breeze]

Yeah that's the kind of system I want too, Teddy is very cerebral and it matches his ability so much better. We see Brady throwing 5-15 yard passes to edelman and his guys all day, just quick hitting stuff that gets the ball out. IMO it's really the only way to play offense, like why rely on deep vertical routes that take time to develop? If your OL ever takes an injury or simply regresses for whatever reason everything falls apart. I would bet that when Turners been fired you could take a look at the state of the team's O-line and find a correlation that they weren't very good.

Obviously when you look at the Steelers throwing deep early and often has it's benefits for them but I think the NE system fits Teddy better and the one we should aim to be like.

Agreed. And honestly, to me, it's not so much a "system" but a philosophy that puts the QB in a position to have multiple options based on what the defense shows at the LOS. It could be a whole new system.
I would like to see here an OC who really gets that and can create a 'Viking system' based on what TB does well.
A system that doesn't telegraph it's play calls by the formation it is using. That to me is the essence of how successful offense is evolving in the league. I can't say with certainty that Norv's offense is completely guilty of telegraphing it's intent....but it looks like that all to often to me.

ETA: I think what Norv wants to do could work here...but it will take a few years to get the pieces in place. And by then it may be to cost prohibitive to keep...plus AD has a smaller window. If they decide to rebuild the offense rather than retool....I'd just as soon see them trade him(AD) for assets, while his value is this high, rather than see him wind up like Barry Sanders. He's leading the league in rushing with a bad O-line and they can't score when they need to. It's a terrible waste of an asset IMO.

[slapnut19]

ken zampese is the son of ernie zampese, the guy norv learned from. we may just be getting a younger version of norv. i'm pretty sure the son's offense would be heavily based off of what he learned from his dad. two guys i would look at if norv get the axe are ken wisenhunt and the soon to be fired mike mccoy. wisenhunt's resume as a coordinator is impressive as well as mccoy's. mccoy was the guy who ran the offense for tebow when the broncos made the playoffs, and worked with manning the next year, so he's well versed in several types of offenses and does a good job of utilizing what he has and gets the most of his players. he's also coached with our line coach davidson if he sticks around. speaking of davidson he may be a candidate as well.

[mosscarter]

we have a qb who can't complete a 20 yard pass through the air even on a mildly consistent basis and you want to blame the offensive coordinator? or, how about we blame the receivers yet again for not getting separation. bridgewater is the number one offensive problem he is nowhere near a franchise qb he is pathetic statistically. what games are you guys watching? did you see carson palmer yesterday? that is what a real qb does. we might get a wildcard, but if we do we will get killed. bridgewater had a good game statistically yesterday, but so what? he's done that plenty of times and then followed it by 3 bad games. there is no consistency to his game whatsoever. none.

[DK Sweets]

mccoy was the guy who ran the offense for tebow when the broncos made the playoffs, and worked with manning the next year, so he's well versed in several types of offenses and does a good job of utilizing what he has and gets the most of his players. he's also coached with our line coach davidson if he sticks around. speaking of davidson he may be a candidate as well.

That would be a great pickup for us IMO. Thanks for the insight!

[Purple bruise]

we have a qb who can't complete a 20 yard pass through the air even on a mildly consistent basis and you want to blame the offensive coordinator? or, how about we blame the receivers yet again for not getting separation. bridgewater is the number one offensive problem he is nowhere near a franchise qb he is pathetic statistically. what games are you guys watching? did you see carson palmer yesterday? that is what a real qb does. we might get a wildcard, but if we do we will get killed. bridgewater had a good game statistically yesterday, but so what? he's done that plenty of times and then followed it by 3 bad games. there is no consistency to his game whatsoever. none.

Wow dude do you ever tire of posting and posting about how bad TB is

[Demi]

we have a qb who can't complete a 20 yard pass through the air even on a mildly consistent basis and you want to blame the offensive coordinator? or, how about we blame the receivers yet again for not getting separation. bridgewater is the number one offensive problem he is nowhere near a franchise qb he is pathetic statistically. what games are you guys watching? did you see carson palmer yesterday? that is what a real qb does. we might get a wildcard, but if we do we will get killed. bridgewater had a good game statistically yesterday, but so what? he's done that plenty of times and then followed it by 3 bad games. there is no consistency to his game whatsoever. none.

Exactly.

Went through this twice already. Let's try to surround another average QB with talent, instead of finding a talented QB who can make use of talent!