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VikingPaul73 wrote:

What is with you two clowns? When did I ever claim to know anything about the guy, why do you think I've asked so many quesitons?? At least I've been honest all along and don't pretend to be an expert because I've ready MANY mocks

Clowns?? Lets not try to be a tough guy behind a computer screen I don't know why you're so hung up on this mock thing?? I'm sick of repeating myself. It has nothing to do with just "reading mocks", it's literally what 99% of experts/analysts/scouts are saying. You just said you liked the guy after reading an article. That's a great tell . And how am I acting like an expert?? I'm just simply stating my opinion on the matter and I have told you why I feel this way. What more do you want?? Just drop it.

Is this board even moderated anymore? People attacking/calling out others, and no one does anything.

So sad.

I come on here to get news on the Vikings, and all there is is childish arguing back and forth about stupid things that don't even have to do with what the thread is about. It isn't "discussion" either.

Clowns?? Lets not try to be a tough guy behind a computer screen I don't know why you're so hung up on this mock thing?? I'm sick of repeating myself. It has nothing to do with just "reading mocks", it's literally what 99% of experts/analysts/scouts are saying. You just said you liked the guy after reading an article. That's a great tell . And how am I acting like an expert?? I'm just simply stating my opinion on the matter and I have told you why I feel this way. What more do you want?? Just drop it.

Right, comments such as those below don't make it come across as though you're pretending to be the expert, at least the expert of the board. Heck, I didn't even ever actually disagree with you, I just asked you to back up some of your conclusions......

Anyway, consider it dropped.

Also, guys that have serious injuries like an ACL don't miraculously rise all of the sudden, especially when he might not even be ready for training camp. But yeah....taking him in the 2nd isn't a reach/risky play. Good joke man

Ohhh boy.....it's not "some" mock experts but literally everything that is out there right now says that he is projected to go in the 4th or later. What part don't you understand??? A big reason for that is the uncertainty of his injury and how he will recover. Even before his injury, he wasn't THAT sought after of a quarterback. You complain about Spielman reaching for Ponder but you think it's a good idea to reach on a QB that hasn't even recovered from an ACL injury and has been in the middle of the pack regardless?? He is a HUGE question mark right now. Hence, why I highly HIGHLY doubt he will be drafted in the 2nd like you claim. Don't you find it odd that there is nobody else out there saying this other than YOU??? I don't know what makes you so confident in this matter other than your big-shot ego and that you just want to disagree with everybody. I'm just going with the majority on this matter which is 99.9%.....you being the 0.01%. That's how one sided that is.

You're still hung up on the title of a thread??? You must be joking. You're worried about me "defending my title" however, you have yet to "defend" anything you have posted in this thread. Obviously, you haven't gone back to the Spielman and Frazier threads and read my reasoning behind supporting Spielman and not supporting Frazier. My guess is....you have no clue about anyone in this draft past the first round hence why you haven't posted how you would do it. I have backed up my point in other threads.....you haven't backed up a thing in this thread. Show us your offseason. Let's see how much you really know instead of worrying about a thread title. If you don't like how I am doing it, then lets see how you do it. If you know so much, then man up to the challenge

Oh and this was the mock I posted on here last year at this time that I forgot about. The mock I posted on my other forum was the one where I had Rhodes and Hodges. Now this mock below was well before the combine and before guys started to rise and fall. Granted....I was clearly wrong on certain things but did get a good amount correct as well. I'm not sitting here saying I know exactly what's going to happen because I don't but I do stand by my mocks. As I said, I follow the draft and offseason very very close because this is how teams are built

Isn't it possible Carlson retires? Greenway should take a major paycut.

NextQuestion wrote:Isn't it possible Carlson retires? Greenway should take a major paycut.

Yes Carlson hasn't made his decision yet. I imagine they would have to look into giving Greenway a pay cut as well

I wouldn't expect anything to happen with Greenway

What do you guys think about trading down to the 17-20 range, picking up an additional 2nd rounder and taking Ra'shede Hageman?

Also, I really hope the Vikes Don't buy into the Manziel hype and take AJ McCarron in the 2nd round.

Westgaard66 wrote:What do you guys think about trading down to the 17-20 range, picking up an additional 2nd rounder and taking Ra'shede Hageman?

Also, I really hope the Vikes Don't buy into the Manziel hype and take AJ McCarron in the 2nd round.

I wouldn't mind that at all but I would rather have Nix over Hageman.

Westgaard66 wrote:What do you guys think about trading down to the 17-20 range, picking up an additional 2nd rounder and taking Ra'shede Hageman?

Also, I really hope the Vikes Don't buy into the Manziel hype and take AJ McCarron in the 2nd round.

Hageman is a good player, and I think his skill set projects very well at the next level. Would be a fine pick in the 17-23 or so range.

As far as Manziel/McCarron, I think it would be a bigger mistake to draft McCarron than Manziel, and I am not 100% sold on Johnny. But McCarron has huge question marks in his mechanics, lacks arm strength, and he never really had to win games himself at Alabama. He is honestly the QB in this draft that compares most similarly to good ole' Chris Ponder

Greenway SHOULD take a paycut. I don't know if he will, but I have no qualms with us cutting him if he refuses. He was a major liability in pass coverage all season, and he did not make very many plays (if any) on the opponent's side of the line of scrimmage. Yeah, a lot of people will point to his tackle numbers, but there's a lot more to playing linebacker effectively than tackle stats. He's routinely making those tackles well past the spots he should be, due to his being pushed around quite often.

frosted21 wrote:Greenway SHOULD take a paycut. I don't know if he will, but I have no qualms with us cutting him if he refuses. He was a major liability in pass coverage all season, and he did not make very many plays (if any) on the opponent's side of the line of scrimmage. Yeah, a lot of people will point to his tackle numbers, but there's a lot more to playing linebacker effectively than tackle stats. He's routinely making those tackles well past the spots he should be, due to his being pushed around quite often.

I hear ya. I mean Greenway still had 3 INTS and over 100 tackles this year. That's still not THAT bad. I feel like we would be in an even bigger world of hurt at the LB position if we were to cut Greenway. We would essentially have to find 3 starting LB's out there. That's not easy to do at all. He's a solid veteran and a great leader. I say hold onto him and build around him with some young talent and down the road you can let him go.

I know we need a QB, but there is no reason to reach in the first especially when you have a Mike Evans sitting there at 8. He is 6 foot 5 weighing 225 pounds, Evans is an absolute beast has the prototypical #1 wide out frame with great hands. Patterson, Peterson, Rudolph, Jennings and Evans WOW! How could you not love the sound of that?

On a side note this is my first post on this website so just wanted to say hi to all.

My DREAM off season:
HC Mike Zimmer
OC Norv Turner
DC Zimmer will bring in someone close to him

Free Agency:
CB Vontae Davis Colts
S TJ Ward Browns
DE Everson Griffen Vikes

Draft:
1st.WR Mike Evans A&M
2nd.QB Zach Mettenberger LSU/DT Ra'Shede Hageman MINN
3rdA.CB/S Lamarcus Joyner FSU
3rd.B.LB Telvin Smith FSU
4th.QB David Fales SJSU/DT or DE

JD_Fiction wrote:I know we need a QB, but there is no reason to reach in the first especially when you have a Mike Evans sitting there at 8. He is 6 foot 5 weighing 225 pounds, Evans is an absolute beast has the prototypical #1 wide out frame with great hands. Patterson, Peterson, Rudolph, Jennings and Evans WOW! How could you not love the sound of that?

On a side note this is my first post on this website so just wanted to say hi to all.

My DREAM off season:
HC Mike Zimmer
OC Norv Turner
DC Zimmer will bring in someone close to him

Free Agency:
CB Vontae Davis Colts
S TJ Ward Browns
DE Everson Griffen Vikes

Draft:
1st.WR Mike Evans A&M
2nd.QB Zach Mettenberger LSU/DT Ra'Shede Hageman MINN
3rdA.CB/S Lamarcus Joyner FSU
3rd.B.LB Telvin Smith FSU
4th.QB David Fales SJSU/DT or DE

I love the draft outside of Evans. I can't see us going offense with our first two picks with how bad this defense was. Even if we went with Hageman in the 2nd....I truly believe that first pick HAS to be a QB if one we like falls to us or a defensive player. Evans is good and would be a solid WR for this team but he's nothing but a luxury pick. We don't need him that bad right now. WR is actually one of the brighter spots on this team. Outside of that though I love your draft. I'm a huge Telvin Smith fan as well as Joyner. Mettenberger could be a solid QB as well. FA signings are solid. Davis has his ups and down but does bring a veteran presence. Good job

One, Spielman has never "owned" a draft.....

Two, So many teams need QBs, and the Vikes managed to win enough meaningless games this year that they drove themselves down in the draft to the point that I doubt any of these promising young QBs will be available...leading Spielman to do one of his "reach" moves and use a high pick for a QB no one is/was "smart" enough to pick (aka Ponder).

Three, the MOST important move needs to be the coaches. Unless we fine some really fine coaches, none of this potential talent will get us anywhere.

chicagopurple wrote:One, Spielman has never "owned" a draft.....

I would have to say Spielman has done a great job in the last two drafts bringing in solid talent.

chicagopurple wrote:Two, So many teams need QBs, and the Vikes managed to win enough meaningless games this year that they drove themselves down in the draft to the point that I doubt any of these promising young QBs will be available...leading Spielman to do one of his "reach" moves and use a high pick for a QB no one is/was "smart" enough to pick (aka Ponder).

You also have to remember....there is a plethora of good defensive talent out there that is projected to go early along with other offensive players as well. Just because those teams ahead of us need QB's doesn't mean they will draft them right off the bat. Cincy needed a QB but didn't take Dalton until the 2nd, Seattle needed one and waited to get Wilson in the 3rd, same goes for Philly and the Jets. If there is better talent in the 1st then you usually take that better talent. I HIGHLY doubt Houston, Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, and possibly Tampa Bay are all going to take QB's and be passing up on guys like Clowney, Barr, Mack, Watkins, Matthews, etc. It's just not very realistic. So yes, I believe you could see guys fall. I also believe that if some do fall, Spielman could draft defense with the first pick and then trade back into the 1st (like I had him doing in this), jump ahead of those 5 teams that are picking early in the 2nd and take the QB that he wants. Then in a way, we get the best of both worlds.

chicagopurple wrote:Three, the MOST important move needs to be the coaches. Unless we fine some really fine coaches, none of this potential talent will get us anywhere.

I agree this is very important. Spielman is going to take his time and be very meticulous throughout this process which is completely fine with me. I believe he knows what he is doing. We just have to remain patient.

chicagopurple wrote:One, Spielman has never "owned" a draft.....

Two, So many teams need QBs, and the Vikes managed to win enough meaningless games this year that they drove themselves down in the draft to the point that I doubt any of these promising young QBs will be available...leading Spielman to do one of his "reach" moves and use a high pick for a QB no one is/was "smart" enough to pick (aka Ponder).

Three, the MOST important move needs to be the coaches. Unless we fine some really fine coaches, none of this potential talent will get us anywhere.

Last year's draft got rave reviews by most experts. Spielman brought in Greg Jennings and raped the Seahawks in the Harvin trade. When you get maybe the next most dynamic player in the league (Patterson), a corner in Rhodes (unlimited potential) and Floyd, who will come into his own next year I would say that you did great. The years before drafting Harrison Smith, Walsh, Kalil, Rudolph were/are top shelf players for a long time.