1st round pick poll

[makila]

Hamilton should have been the pick. Was he perfect and a day one starter? Nope. Cine wasn't even the top backup. The only thing he did well was run his mouth. It was a huge miss by our GM. As was this guard Ingram. He had 3 sacks all by himself by tripping the QB. He needs to block a sack not get one. He's still penciled in as a starter. Do our coaches want to win?
From PFF.
7. KYLE HAMILTON, BALTIMORE RAVENS (82.3)
The top safety in the 2022 rookie class and the 14th pick overall did not disappoint in his rookie year, outside of just not being a full-time starter for the entire season, which is what pushes him down this list a bit. Hamilton started the year in a fairly limited dime safety role, but as the year went on and his impact could not be ignored, he became the Ravens’ primary nickel back in Week 8 and continued to impress.
Hamilton’s size and athletic ability made him a significant asset in defending the run and rushing the passer, posting top-five grades in both while adding a top-10 coverage grade (76..

Not sure what that write up proves? Hamilton was, as they said, in a limited role early on in the year. And then worked his way into making an impact but never starting. How could Lewis Cine ever do that when he had a freak leg injury 3.5 games into his rookie year? Look at the window when they were both healthy. That's 3.5 games. You're basically saying that since Hamilton was a backup in a limited role and Cine was technically the 4th safety for the first 3.5 games of the season, that makes Hamilton the correct pick and makes Cine a "bust that runs his mouth". Another bad argument.

But to be frank, you've been nothing but negative on this board for months. Its getting quite tiring. I cant even post a simple poll without you coming on saying, "nothing here I really like, hate the 3-4". I named 12 of the back half of the 1st round prospects and there's none you like? What do you like at this point? I think it's pretty clear at this rate that no matter who we draft, there's a very high chance you're going to disagree with it. Every thread I look at you're throwing insults out about the GM, complaining about players, etc.

Everyone has the right to be frustrated but your negativity on here right now is overwhelming to say the least.

Yup. 100.
Sick of seeing every post...losers..bums. idiots. Etc. Whatever. Ignore a few weeks back. Guess it's there for a reason. Each entitled to our own opinion.

I'd take porter Jr if he's there. I dont think he will be. If I had to bet, think we are gonna move down and try to get an additonal day two pick.

[allday1991]

My gut feeling is he trades out of the pick as well. Personally I don’t like it but we have lots of holes to fill. Personally I’d like a move aggressive gm who isn’t afraid to move up for someone they like. Only time will tell how this all plays out, but we could of had a starting safety at our first pick last year but traded it for a guy who got beat out by a 4th rounder before he got injured. Also could have had a vertical WR, or a huge fast DT. But we did the old trade 1 player for two and so didn’t get much out of those two. Sure Booth and Cine could become something but signs point to meh, seen enough of Booth to know he has a lot of work and Cine couldn’t win a starting spot convincingly in camp. Sounds like our old regime of finding maybe one starter a draft, we’re teams like KC find multiple each year.

I'm sorry but that is just a bad argument when it comes to Lewis Cine. Do you realize that Kyle Hamilton only started 4 games the entire year (mainly at years end) and played less than 17 snaps a game for a good portion of the early season. So apparently, Hamilton was also "beat out" by someone. So I would have to imagine that if we drafted Kyle Hamilton, he also would've been "beaten out" by a 4th rounder, wouldn't have "convincingly won a starting spot in camp" and could've easily suffered the same freak injury Lewis Cine did.

As for Booth you said you've "seen enough of him". You literally saw him play in two games. One game as a mid-game sub lining up against Stefon Diggs. And the other, starting in the Cowboys game where we literally got beat 40-3 and embarrassed on national TV. How in any way is that "seeing enough" of a rookie cornerback? You judged Andrew Booth on 1.5 games in the middle of his rookie year. If that's not an unfair judgement, I'm not sure what is.

So Cine on 3.5 games and Booth on 1.5 games is what we're making your judgements off of here. For two rookies no less. Sorry but I cant buy into that one even the slightest bit. I'm not sure how anyone can.

To be fair I started by stating my gut feeling, I never intended for this to be a sound proof argument because as mentioned hard to make after one year with such little sample size. Call it negative if you want but I don’t believe that was the right choice long run, gut feeling. And I’m not to happy about another trade back gm because more picks is better, sounds a lot like Rick to me. KAM could surprise me but I think he trades back again.

[J. Kapp 11]

I'm sorry but that is just a bad argument when it comes to Lewis Cine. Do you realize that Kyle Hamilton only started 4 games the entire year (mainly at years end) and played less than 17 snaps a game for a good portion of the early season. So apparently, Hamilton was also "beat out" by someone. So I would have to imagine that if we drafted Kyle Hamilton, he also would've been "beaten out" by a 4th rounder, wouldn't have "convincingly won a starting spot in camp" and could've easily suffered the same freak injury Lewis Cine did.

As for Booth you said you've "seen enough of him". You literally saw him play in two games. One game as a mid-game sub lining up against Stefon Diggs. And the other, starting in the Cowboys game where we literally got beat 40-3 and embarrassed on national TV. How in any way is that "seeing enough" of a rookie cornerback? You judged Andrew Booth on 1.5 games in the middle of his rookie year. If that's not an unfair judgement, I'm not sure what is.

So Cine on 3.5 games and Booth on 1.5 games is what we're making your judgements off of here. For two rookies no less. Sorry but I cant buy into that one even the slightest bit. I'm not sure how anyone can.

To be fair I started by stating my gut feeling, I never intended for this to be a sound proof argument because as mentioned hard to make after one year with such little sample size. Call it negative if you want but I don’t believe that was the right choice long run, gut feeling. And I’m not to happy about another trade back gm because more picks is better, sounds a lot like Rick to me. KAM could surprise me but I think he trades back again.

But Kwesi is nothing like Rick.

Rick kept trading back to get volume — as many picks as possible. He felt that a draft with 13 picks was awesome, even if 9 of them came in the 6th and 7th rounds. Kwesi traded back for VALUE. His goal was to get picks in what he felt was the sweet spot of last year's draft, which was the 2nd and 3rd rounds. If he trades back this year, it likely will be for the same reason, especially given that the Vikings have no second-round pick.

As for Cine, I get your feeling. In hindsight, the drafting of Cine made no sense, given how Ed Donatell was going to use him. Cine's instincts are to attack. To make plays on the ball. To come hard in run support. That's how he played at Georgia, and many of us were excited the Vikings drafted an aggressive player like that. But Donatell wanted none of that from his safeties. He wanted them to sit back and not let anything get over their heads. It's no wonder Cine couldn't crack the lineup. My guess is he was confused and playing against his instincts.

Now enter Brian Flores. This is a guy who is known for an aggressive scheme. For blitzing from any position. For playing a lot of Cover 0. At least from an armchair quarterback standpoint, NOW the selection of Cine makes perfect sense. He seems to be a guy who is made for a BFlo defense.

The same argument could be made for Andrew Booth Jr. Aggressive guy. Excelled at press coverage and man defense at Clemson. Comes to Minnesota, and he's forced to play 10 yards off the LOS and react. I think Booth could also thrive in Flores' system. The problem with Booth is health. He can't stay on the field, and if that doesn't change, it doesn't matter how good he is.

Anyway, I think it's too early to tell whether the 2022 draft was any good. If Cine, Booth and Asamoah thrive under Flores, we'll look at it in a much different light.

[CharVike]

Not sure what that write up proves? Hamilton was, as they said, in a limited role early on in the year. And then worked his way into making an impact but never starting. How could Lewis Cine ever do that when he had a freak leg injury 3.5 games into his rookie year? Look at the window when they were both healthy. That's 3.5 games. You're basically saying that since Hamilton was a backup in a limited role and Cine was technically the 4th safety for the first 3.5 games of the season, that makes Hamilton the correct pick and makes Cine a "bust that runs his mouth". Another bad argument.

But to be frank, you've been nothing but negative on this board for months. Its getting quite tiring. I cant even post a simple poll without you coming on saying, "nothing here I really like, hate the 3-4". I named 12 of the back half of the 1st round prospects and there's none you like? What do you like at this point? I think it's pretty clear at this rate that no matter who we draft, there's a very high chance you're going to disagree with it. Every thread I look at you're throwing insults out about the GM, complaining about players, etc.

Everyone has the right to be frustrated but your negativity on here right now is overwhelming to say the least.

Yup. 100.
Sick of seeing every post...losers..bums. idiots. Etc. Whatever. Ignore a few weeks back. Guess it's there for a reason. Each entitled to our own opinion.

I'd take porter Jr if he's there. I dont think he will be. If I had to bet, think we are gonna move down and try to get an additonal day two pick.

People have been calling Cousins a bum for how long. That seems to be fine. I only stated the guy I like in this draft. He will be in the back end of round one. I liked Hamilton last year and I liked Mac Jones the year before.
I gave our coach credit for winning the division. I didn't even get pissed when the Giants beat us. Most pinned that on Cousins. I didn't. The whole team came up short. I don't like trading away from the talent. How many more times.

[Texas Vike]

Interested to see who you guys would want the most at #23. My vote went to Joey Porter Jr.

I'm not a huge fan of corner hunting in round 1 again but Porter's ability and the bloodlines here make it a slam dunk for me. He's about the only corner I would take there and after that, prioritize WR. My big board for those guys listed would be:

1.) CB- Joey Porter Jr.
2.) WR- Jordan Addison
3.) WR- Quenton Johnston
4.) DL- Calijah Kancey
5.) DB- Brian Branch
6.) WR- Zay Flowers
7.) EDGE- Myles Murphy
8.) CB- Deonte Banks
9.) WR- Jaxon Smith-Njigba
10.) EDGE- Will McDonald IV
11.) EDGE- Lukas Van Ness
12.) QB- Hendon Hooker

Your thread asks who each of us wants, but I don't think guys like Porter Jr. or JSN will be around at 23. Even so, I chose JSN because I think he's the only WR that would be a first round choice in any of the last two drafts. Olave and G. Wilson have proven to be very NFL ready and both said that JSN was the best WR of the three of them. I think his route running stands out and he'd take advantage of the excessive attention paid to JJ.

BUT
The other question is this: who do we THINK the VIKINGS will actually take? My gut says that this Hendon Hooker talk isn't just hot air. Whether we trade back (probably in the first so we can control the fifth year) or just stand pat at 23, my intuition says Hooker is their guy.

[Texas Vike]

Wow, rumors are rumbling now that it will be Levis and that we will trade up into the top 5 for him. Can you trust ANY of what you hear in the 2 weeks leading up to the draft though?
https://twitter.com/TheRealForno/status ... 28/photo/1

Is Tyler Forness reliable at all? I've seen this in a few spots, but that doesn't mean a whole lot nowadays.

[IIsweet]

Wow, rumors are rumbling now that it will be Levis and that we will trade up into the top 5 for him. Can you trust ANY of what you hear in the 2 weeks leading up to the draft though?
https://twitter.com/TheRealForno/status ... 28/photo/1

Is Tyler Forness reliable at all? I've seen this in a few spots, but that doesn't mean a whole lot nowadays.

I LOVE the chatter. This is such a different pre-draft process than anything that we have heard for many many years.
KAM and KOC have people talking about the Vikings. This is pretty exciting. What will they do?
There is speculation of trading up for Levis, trading Cousins to SF, trading Hunter, trading Cook, drafting Hooker, .....
Right now, no one knows. i have no idea what they will do, I can speculate, and I have my thoughts, but I do feel that Kwesi has a pretty good idea of what he is doing.

[JJBreaksRecords]

KAM will trade down. All these rumors are just bored people trying to make a splash

[makila]

No, texas vike, I don't trust anything right now. Heh. I never do a week or two out of the draft. So many smoke screens.

[VikingLord]

Wow, rumors are rumbling now that it will be Levis and that we will trade up into the top 5 for him. Can you trust ANY of what you hear in the 2 weeks leading up to the draft though?
https://twitter.com/TheRealForno/status ... 28/photo/1

Is Tyler Forness reliable at all? I've seen this in a few spots, but that doesn't mean a whole lot nowadays.

I don't know if Forness is reliable, but if KAM does this (what would it cost him to move all the way up to #2???) to then take a QB who has a very good chance of being on the board at #23 would be almost criminal. I'd really wonder if KAM and KOC are trying to tank the team's future with a move like that.

There is a huge difference between a perceived need at a given position in a given year and then projecting that perceived need onto a set of draft prospects at that position and forcing things. This is how a GM ends up wasting a top 15 draft pick on a prospect like Christian Ponder.

I really hope Forness is just smoking some of the good stuff. If the Vikings did what he's suggesting I would seriously consider not wasting time watching them for a while. Levis is not going to be a great pro QB. He doesn't handle pressure well and doesn't process the field well. He's not very accurate or mechanically consistent and despite being a big guy with a strong arm, doesn't possess notable "arm talent" which I define as being able to make difficult throws accurately in awkward positions. I'd be upset if the Vikings too him at #23, much less trading all the way up to #2, and even more so given sparse number of picks they have in this draft coupled with the yawning needs at other positions and the quality of prospects at some of those positions of need.

I know they "need" a QB, but this isn't a great QB draft and with Cousins under contract for the year there is no immediate need at the position that could possibly justify a swing like the one Forness suggests.

[CharVike]

To be fair I started by stating my gut feeling, I never intended for this to be a sound proof argument because as mentioned hard to make after one year with such little sample size. Call it negative if you want but I don’t believe that was the right choice long run, gut feeling. And I’m not to happy about another trade back gm because more picks is better, sounds a lot like Rick to me. KAM could surprise me but I think he trades back again.

But Kwesi is nothing like Rick.

Rick kept trading back to get volume — as many picks as possible. He felt that a draft with 13 picks was awesome, even if 9 of them came in the 6th and 7th rounds. Kwesi traded back for VALUE. His goal was to get picks in what he felt was the sweet spot of last year's draft, which was the 2nd and 3rd rounds. If he trades back this year, it likely will be for the same reason, especially given that the Vikings have no second-round pick.

As for Cine, I get your feeling. In hindsight, the drafting of Cine made no sense, given how Ed Donatell was going to use him. Cine's instincts are to attack. To make plays on the ball. To come hard in run support. That's how he played at Georgia, and many of us were excited the Vikings drafted an aggressive player like that. But Donatell wanted none of that from his safeties. He wanted them to sit back and not let anything get over their heads. It's no wonder Cine couldn't crack the lineup. My guess is he was confused and playing against his instincts.

Now enter Brian Flores. This is a guy who is known for an aggressive scheme. For blitzing from any position. For playing a lot of Cover 0. At least from an armchair quarterback standpoint, NOW the selection of Cine makes perfect sense. He seems to be a guy who is made for a BFlo defense.

The same argument could be made for Andrew Booth Jr. Aggressive guy. Excelled at press coverage and man defense at Clemson. Comes to Minnesota, and he's forced to play 10 yards off the LOS and react. I think Booth could also thrive in Flores' system. The problem with Booth is health. He can't stay on the field, and if that doesn't change, it doesn't matter how good he is.

Anyway, I think it's too early to tell whether the 2022 draft was any good. If Cine, Booth and Asamoah thrive under Flores, we'll look at it in a much different light.

It's not to early to give a 1st year grade. I haven't seen to many give us a sparkling grade and stating how great our draft was. The Chiefs have been handed many top grades. Of course that could all change this year. As an example the Chiefs 7th round RB pick who had a very good year could turn out not to be very good this year. That's possible. Maybe our 6th round RB will be the star of the NFL this year. I hope he is. That's also possible. Ingram was not a very good rookie G last year. He could be an all pro this year. That would be great and I hope it happens. The 49ers picked a G 2 rounds later and he started and played better than Ingram.
He could be bad this year. This switching schemes on D every year don't seem like the correct approach to me. Do we have such versatile players that they can play in any scheme? I highly doubt that. I don't know Flores 3-4 inside and out. I seen him play a 7-0-4. Do we have the players for that? What 4 are on the back end with nothing behind them? The back 4 play way off the LOS. If it's 3rd and 9 they play 8 yards back. Giving the short completion. That's bend but don't break if there ever was one. Asamoah showed great movement when he played. Now he is playing inside. At his weight/size can he hold up inside? Maybe. Seems small to me. Is Hicks going to get faster. Not to be negative but he looked slow to me last year. How will he get to the sideline our cover deep seam routes?

[Pep2Moss]

if Zay Flowers is there he will be the pick........of the Chiefs. Vikings will get the 32,64 and 4th..Vikings then pick Hooker at 32 for the 5th year. I'm not even sure he will be there to be honest.

Scenario 2 is giving up the fam to get to 2 or 3 to pick Levis before the Colts. I will probably stop following the weekends proceedings if that happens.

[VikingsVictorious]

I'm sorry but that is just a bad argument when it comes to Lewis Cine. Do you realize that Kyle Hamilton only started 4 games the entire year (mainly at years end) and played less than 17 snaps a game for a good portion of the early season. So apparently, Hamilton was also "beat out" by someone. So I would have to imagine that if we drafted Kyle Hamilton, he also would've been "beaten out" by a 4th rounder, wouldn't have "convincingly won a starting spot in camp" and could've easily suffered the same freak injury Lewis Cine did.

As for Booth you said you've "seen enough of him". You literally saw him play in two games. One game as a mid-game sub lining up against Stefon Diggs. And the other, starting in the Cowboys game where we literally got beat 40-3 and embarrassed on national TV. How in any way is that "seeing enough" of a rookie cornerback? You judged Andrew Booth on 1.5 games in the middle of his rookie year. If that's not an unfair judgement, I'm not sure what is.

So Cine on 3.5 games and Booth on 1.5 games is what we're making your judgements off of here. For two rookies no less. Sorry but I cant buy into that one even the slightest bit. I'm not sure how anyone can.

Hamilton should have been the pick. Was he perfect and a day one starter? Nope. Cine wasn't even the top backup. The only thing he did well was run his mouth. It was a huge miss by our GM. As was this guard Ingram. He had 3 sacks all by himself by tripping the QB. He needs to block a sack not get one. He's still penciled in as a starter. Do our coaches want to win?
From PFF.
7. KYLE HAMILTON, BALTIMORE RAVENS (82.3)
The top safety in the 2022 rookie class and the 14th pick overall did not disappoint in his rookie year, outside of just not being a full-time starter for the entire season, which is what pushes him down this list a bit. Hamilton started the year in a fairly limited dime safety role, but as the year went on and his impact could not be ignored, he became the Ravens’ primary nickel back in Week 8 and continued to impress.
Hamilton’s size and athletic ability made him a significant asset in defending the run and rushing the passer, posting top-five grades in both while adding a top-10 coverage grade (76..

Hamilton doesn't impress me in the slightest and I'm very OK with him not being a Viking. I'm looking forward to year 2 out of Cine and Booth.

[CharVike]

Hamilton should have been the pick. Was he perfect and a day one starter? Nope. Cine wasn't even the top backup. The only thing he did well was run his mouth. It was a huge miss by our GM. As was this guard Ingram. He had 3 sacks all by himself by tripping the QB. He needs to block a sack not get one. He's still penciled in as a starter. Do our coaches want to win?
From PFF.
7. KYLE HAMILTON, BALTIMORE RAVENS (82.3)
The top safety in the 2022 rookie class and the 14th pick overall did not disappoint in his rookie year, outside of just not being a full-time starter for the entire season, which is what pushes him down this list a bit. Hamilton started the year in a fairly limited dime safety role, but as the year went on and his impact could not be ignored, he became the Ravens’ primary nickel back in Week 8 and continued to impress.
Hamilton’s size and athletic ability made him a significant asset in defending the run and rushing the passer, posting top-five grades in both while adding a top-10 coverage grade (76..

Hamilton doesn't impress me in the slightest and I'm very OK with him not being a Viking. I'm looking forward to year 2 out of Cine and Booth.

This year is huge for both of those guys. Not many come in year 1 and contribute much. Neither are behind the curve. Year 1 to 2 should show tremendous growth. All the BS stuff is out of the way. They know what a pro does.

[VikingLord]

Hamilton doesn't impress me in the slightest and I'm very OK with him not being a Viking. I'm looking forward to year 2 out of Cine and Booth.

This year is huge for both of those guys. Not many come in year 1 and contribute much. Neither are behind the curve. Year 1 to 2 should show tremendous growth. All the BS stuff is out of the way. They know what a pro does.

If Cine is healthy he'll do well. I think KAM found a very good player there and he just needs to get back on the field and get back into the swing of things.

Booth I'm not as convinced about, but if there is a coach who can get the most out of Booth it is Flores. I am optimistic he'll find a way to utilize Booth's skills and maximize what he brings to the defensive scheme.

My main concern for Booth is his health, which is something neither Booth nor Flores can do much about. Let's hope a solid off season conditioning program helped Booth physically and he can get and stay healthy.