Vikings (1-0) at Eagles (1-0) MNF Week 2

[Pondering Her Percy]

Hurts rushing ability might be the difference in this game. Maybe play Asamou in as LB a bit more, and spy Hurts. Rushing QB's have hurt the Vikings for as long as Ive been a Viking fan.

Also good call on Asamoah. I wouldnt mind seeing them find ways to get him in the game

[VikingLord]

Evidently, the Eagles have the best ranked OL according to PFF
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive- ... eek-1-2022

They've shown to be run heavy so far and the Vikings will have to be careful, but I'm hoping our newly retooled DL can get some more sacks this week and knock their OL down a few pegs.

Might be a little misleading due to Jalen Hurts constantly taking off and picking up chunks running, but it does underscore the need for pass rush discipline to reduce his opportunities to escape and run.

Hurts is not a scrambling QB for the most part - he's a QB who tucks and runs mostly. So it does make sense to spy him if the Vikings feel like they have a good matchup there. The best counter to a QB like Hurts, though, are pass rushers who stay in their lanes and collapse the pocket. For a QB to escape that kind of rush, he generally has to go backward and when running QBs run backward, bad things happen to their offense. If the Vikings can force Hurts to feel the pressure, he'll make some mistakes. So the key is the discipline to do that.

This is actually the main reason I think the Vikings win by a comfortable margin, though. If they keep Hurts bottled up, he'll give the ball back via turnovers, and I think a few of those turnovers lead to points for the Vikings. I do think the Vikings have the defensive talent to bottle him up. Good defenses do not let opposing QBs scamble around much. If a QB is constantly escaping and running, the defenders are getting out of their lanes and/or losing their matchups. With the experience and talent the Vikings have up front I do not expect that to happy nearly as often in this upcoming game.

[VikingsVictorious]

The Eagles are a playoff team but they had a hard time beating good teams. They dominated the stiffs as shown below.
The Eagles went 0-6 vs playoff teams, the 2nd-worst record by any playoff team vs the playoff field since 1970. Their nine wins have come against teams 49-94-1, a 343 winning percentage. Looks like a Zim knock off as they pound the donkeys and then chase the stallions.
I don't even know what to make of this Eagle team. It looks like they try and run the ball down your throat and they did exactly that to the Lions with 216 yards. Basically a snooze fest attack. Their D don't look that good either. A plus for them is they are at home. I would like to see us mirror this Hurts with Cine who is faster than him and can tackle and hit. They can't let this guy run free and have these jail break plays. That's up to our D coordinator. I'm sure he's seen it before.
On our side if they do what the Packers did and let any CB cover JJ then Cousins needs to make them pay the price. I'm sure they will try and run Cook and he should have a good game. The Lions ran for 181 against them. That's getting abused.
We can't turn the ball over and give them the game. They had a pick 6 against the Lions.
I think we win this 27-17.

I was thinking of using a different Rookie to mirror Hurts Brian Asamoah. Maybe Cine is the better choice. Our brilliant minds were kind of thinking alike here.

Edit: Now that I'm caught up on the thread I see others are endorsing Asamoah for the role, but still maybe Cine would do it better.

[Foreman44]

Just going to say

24-17 vikings

[VikingsVictorious]

I just want to point out that our opponents name is misspelled in the title of this thread. Correct spelling is Iggles.

(childish I know)

[CharVike]

Janarius Robinson picked up by Eagles

[CharVike]

The Eagles are a playoff team but they had a hard time beating good teams. They dominated the stiffs as shown below.
The Eagles went 0-6 vs playoff teams, the 2nd-worst record by any playoff team vs the playoff field since 1970. Their nine wins have come against teams 49-94-1, a 343 winning percentage. Looks like a Zim knock off as they pound the donkeys and then chase the stallions.
I don't even know what to make of this Eagle team. It looks like they try and run the ball down your throat and they did exactly that to the Lions with 216 yards. Basically a snooze fest attack. Their D don't look that good either. A plus for them is they are at home. I would like to see us mirror this Hurts with Cine who is faster than him and can tackle and hit. They can't let this guy run free and have these jail break plays. That's up to our D coordinator. I'm sure he's seen it before.
On our side if they do what the Packers did and let any CB cover JJ then Cousins needs to make them pay the price. I'm sure they will try and run Cook and he should have a good game. The Lions ran for 181 against them. That's getting abused.
We can't turn the ball over and give them the game. They had a pick 6 against the Lions.
I think we win this 27-17.

I was thinking of using a different Rookie to mirror Hurts Brian Asamoah. Maybe Cine is the better choice. Our brilliant minds were kind of thinking alike here.

Edit: Now that I'm caught up on the thread I see others are endorsing Asamoah for the role, but still maybe Cine would do it better.

Either one would be ok. I only posted Cine because of the 3 safety defense which is used in college from what I read and IMO we are facing a college type offense. I just hope when this guy takes off our D gets into a gang tackle mode and lays the wood on him. Make him feel it. That's the game they want to play so give them what they want.

[IIsweet]

I see this as a much more difficult game than some are assuming.
The Eagles are throwing to AJ Brown and Devonta Smith. They have a great TE in Dallas Goedert. The defense can not just load up against the run. Those are some big weapons. Add in Hurts' ability to run. The RB's are scat backs and constantly getting into the flats and finding space. I don't think PP can hang with AJ and Devonta is too quick. This Eagles offense has weapons all over the place.
Now, I was very pleased with the Vikings defensive efforts after Watson dropped the opening pass of the game. I see a lot of bend but don't break in this defense as they are learning the system and where everyone will be. To me, one of the unsung heroes last week was Phillips in the middle. He was getting a push but even more importantly, not getting pushed. He was clogging up the middle. I saw exactly why Bills fans were upset they lost him and why KAM and Donatell wanted him immediately.
Next is our offense. We have the ability to be just as explosive as any team in the NFL with the playmakers and a HC calling attacking plays. The key is obviously the OL as our skill players can make major splash plays. On a side note, I am hoping that in the offseason or next years draft, we can add an elite field stretching type of TE to this offense.
My prediction, if weather is good....
33-27 in OT... whichever team wins the coin toss !

[psjordan]

I think this forum is no different than elsewhere on the 'net - someone posts an opinion and it is immediately polarized and stripped of any nuance.

Look, I'm happy the Vikes won. I liked a lot of what happened on individual plays. I liked most of the gameplan on both sides of the ball. But there's a LOT that happened in this game that gives me pause.

First off, I have not seen anyone mention Patrick Peterson's dismal (IMO) performance in this game, and only passing mention of the first GB pass when he was absolutely toasted by a rookie. This was one of the very few things the GB staff got right. If AJ Brown is ever lined up on PP, we better have safety help over the top - which of course will open up other avenues for PHI to succeed.

GB gashed us on several runs - more than I was comfortable with that is for sure.

I think the GB staff absolutely blew their defensive gameplan, especially against JJ. My only qualm about not distributing the ball in this game (no sense passing up a wide open JJ), is that another team (PHI?) will scheme better against JJ and we'll need Theilen (probably not an issue, he can pick it up) but also Irv Smith and/or other TE's (who knows) and Osborn. When Mundt has 17 yards and he's outdoing Osborn, we might have an issue picking up the slack right away.

The sample size is so small I'm not drawing any season-encompassing conclusions. But 3-14 on third down is an evil portent. To me, third down conversions are mostly QB and coach driven, and that gives me pause that we didn't crush that stat based on facing a flawed GB defensive plan.

I think we'll do OK against PHI, but I also think this coaching staff will have growing pains throughout the season, so I won't be surprised at any result.

[VikingLord]

First off, I have not seen anyone mention Patrick Peterson's dismal (IMO) performance in this game, and only passing mention of the first GB pass when he was absolutely toasted by a rookie. This was one of the very few things the GB staff got right. If AJ Brown is ever lined up on PP, we better have safety help over the top - which of course will open up other avenues for PHI to succeed.

Other than the blown coverage on that first deep bomb by Rodgers I can't say Peterson played poorly. Of course, it's hard to see what's going on downfield on every Packer offensive play, so you might have seen something I didn't, but in general Rodgers didn't have a good day throwing the ball and that lack of success seemed to translate across the board. He didn't really pick on any DB in particular, and at least a few of the sacks the Vikings managed looked like coverage sacks.

The almost big play given up on that first Packer snap did stand out. I doubt Peterson will repeat that mistake against the Eagles.

[VikingsFan84]

I think the Vikings are the better team but I don't trust them playing in prime time in Philly.

I think Philly takes it but obviously hope I'm wrong.

Vikings are not the better team until Vikings prove it by winning in Philadelphia

[CharVike]

Injury report.
Booth JR - DNP
Cine - FP
Bullard - FP

[CharVike]

I was thinking of using a different Rookie to mirror Hurts Brian Asamoah. Maybe Cine is the better choice. Our brilliant minds were kind of thinking alike here.

Edit: Now that I'm caught up on the thread I see others are endorsing Asamoah for the role, but still maybe Cine would do it better.

Either one would be ok. I only posted Cine because of the 3 safety defense which is used in college from what I read and IMO we are facing a college type offense. I just hope when this guy takes off our D gets into a gang tackle mode and lays the wood on him. Make him feel it. That's the game they want to play so give them what they want.

Ed was asked in his press conference about using a spy on Hurts and he said they will do multiple things because you can't stay with one because they will figure it out. Below is the link. It wasn't my idea.

[JJBreaksRecords]

How did the rookie Evans do last week? I know he was in for a few plays, and didnt hear anything bad about him. With Booth being hurt (I hope that isnt going to be a thing for him in the NFL like it was in his college days) Evans may be getting some time. I dont trust Peterson on the speedy players, or on long drives. Would be nice if Evans could go in and spell him.

[VikingsVictorious]

It's gone dead here 2 days before the game. Wow.