StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 10:19 am
Well, Carson Wentz just threw 27 TDs on 50 fewer attempts and is likely going to be cut by the Colts.
Gardner Minshew has actually thrown more TDs per start than Cousins has in his career and he is a backup.
I think if you put either one of those QBs in our offense they put up similar passing TDs as Cousins, even if the offense takes a step back.
Passing TDs is an important stat, but if you don't have offensive success to go along with those stats, those stats are probably inflated. We were 16th in scoring efficiency last season with a top 5 RB. The only other average or worse offenses with similar RBs were Pitt, Cleveland, and Washington. Old, broken down QB, injured QB, backup QB.
We avg 25 points per game. Packers avg 26.5 with a HOF MVP QB 39 TDs. Dak was the best as the Boys average 31.2 he tossed 40 TDs. He sucked in the playoffs and they got beat at home. The Bucs 30.1. Brady 43 TDs. Sometimes stats work.
The Packers were a point better than us with a HOF MVP year QB and most would say why didn't we win more. Well our defense and special teams were worthless. I seen that bum Dantzler just stand there in the end zone and just let a guy from the Lions catch a TD pass in front of him game over. Just stood there. The Packers actually played good D and even played great in the playoffs. That D stepped up and held the 49ers down. We never had a D under Zim that could do that. They always backed down. There special teams cost them. The 49ers D won the LOS battle and stuffed Rodgers. They didn't play well on all three levels and paid the price. That will happen most of the time unless your playing a bad team.
25 points a game isn't horrible the bottom was 14.9 now. Now that's horrible.
As for Cook he started 14 games. Sound familiar?
What you are pointing to here is that stats only matter with context, which to some is digging deep. For instance, the PPG stat you used is not actually how many points the offense scored per game, it is how many points the team did and includes defensive and STs scores. It also doesn't take into account the Vikings had the most drives by 4 of any team so they had the most opportunities to score of any team...and still couldn't manage to come close to TB or Dallas. The Vikings offense essentially played 3 more games worth of drives than the Packers this season, 194 to 162, and still Rodgers put up more volume stats than Cousins.
Other context from your post, Cook has the 5th most starts of any RB since 2018. He is actually a very durable RB and we are lucky to have him.
CharVike wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:32 pm
We avg 25 points per game. Packers avg 26.5 with a HOF MVP QB 39 TDs. Dak was the best as the Boys average 31.2 he tossed 40 TDs. He sucked in the playoffs and they got beat at home. The Bucs 30.1. Brady 43 TDs. Sometimes stats work.
The Packers were a point better than us with a HOF MVP year QB and most would say why didn't we win more. Well our defense and special teams were worthless. I seen that bum Dantzler just stand there in the end zone and just let a guy from the Lions catch a TD pass in front of him game over. Just stood there. The Packers actually played good D and even played great in the playoffs. That D stepped up and held the 49ers down. We never had a D under Zim that could do that. They always backed down. There special teams cost them. The 49ers D won the LOS battle and stuffed Rodgers. They didn't play well on all three levels and paid the price. That will happen most of the time unless your playing a bad team.
25 points a game isn't horrible the bottom was 14.9 now. Now that's horrible.
As for Cook he started 14 games. Sound familiar?
What you are pointing to here is that stats only matter with context, which to some is digging deep. For instance, the PPG stat you used is not actually how many points the offense scored per game, it is how many points the team did and includes defensive and STs scores. It also doesn't take into account the Vikings had the most drives by 4 of any team so they had the most opportunities to score of any team...and still couldn't manage to come close to TB or Dallas. The Vikings offense essentially played 3 more games worth of drives than the Packers this season, 194 to 162, and still Rodgers put up more volume stats than Cousins.
Other context from your post, Cook has the 5th most starts of any RB since 2018. He is actually a very durable RB and we are lucky to have him.
Many people say stats don't matter. They only count if something else happens like a win. So in a lose if a QB throws 5 ints they shouldn't count either. Stats are what they are. They do provide a guideline. One year famous Jamesis threw 30 INTS which is a high number. I'm sure if you digged deep only some were his fault. 30 sticks out as a problem with out any digging. Kirk threw one this year that bounced off Osbourns hands. Should have been a TD and was an Int. Of course I'm sure you can dig and say Cousins released the ball .00000008 seconds late. That caused it. That type of stuff has no end. Just like QBR that espn created or the old QB rating have there flaws also. Cook is the best all around back we have ever had. But durability always seems to come up when he is mentioned. Perhaps that's a false narrative. I seem to recall him missing time in his career.
Stats would only have a good meaning if every team played every team both home and away. That will never happen of course. I know what I posted was PPG. But the bottom line TD passes are points regardless. Some guys threw over 40 and there PPG was high. Dallas had the highest and put up 52 one game which causes a flaw. My point in this entire thing was TD passes are important. No more than that. It's nice to have a QB that can throw them. But it's not a required. Time will tell as we go forward. If the new crew don't want Cousins he will be gone. It's as simple as that. How he becomes gone will raise questions. They could just cut him and eat 45 million. That can happen very quickly. It may if they see a guy they don't want around. It happened to Moss. That 45 mill will need to be dealt with regardless if he's here or not. That was Brez and his stupid CAP management. It's all over this current roster. It didn't stop with Kirk it just kept going. The new guys will deal with it. If everybody was thrown out the door I wouldn't cry. Start with a blank slate. Of course that won't happen.
What you are pointing to here is that stats only matter with context, which to some is digging deep. For instance, the PPG stat you used is not actually how many points the offense scored per game, it is how many points the team did and includes defensive and STs scores. It also doesn't take into account the Vikings had the most drives by 4 of any team so they had the most opportunities to score of any team...and still couldn't manage to come close to TB or Dallas. The Vikings offense essentially played 3 more games worth of drives than the Packers this season, 194 to 162, and still Rodgers put up more volume stats than Cousins.
Other context from your post, Cook has the 5th most starts of any RB since 2018. He is actually a very durable RB and we are lucky to have him.
Many people say stats don't matter. They only count if something else happens like a win. So in a lose if a QB throws 5 ints they shouldn't count either. Stats are what they are. They do provide a guideline. One year famous Jamesis threw 30 INTS which is a high number. I'm sure if you digged deep only some were his fault. 30 sticks out as a problem with out any digging. Kirk threw one this year that bounced off Osbourns hands. Should have been a TD and was an Int. Of course I'm sure you can dig and say Cousins released the ball .00000008 seconds late. That caused it. That type of stuff has no end. Just like QBR that espn created or the old QB rating have there flaws also. Cook is the best all around back we have ever had. But durability always seems to come up when he is mentioned. Perhaps that's a false narrative. I seem to recall him missing time in his career.
Stats would only have a good meaning if every team played every team both home and away. That will never happen of course. I know what I posted was PPG. But the bottom line TD passes are points regardless. Some guys threw over 40 and there PPG was high. Dallas had the highest and put up 52 one game which causes a flaw. My point in this entire thing was TD passes are important. No more than that. It's nice to have a QB that can throw them. But it's not a required. Time will tell as we go forward. If the new crew don't want Cousins he will be gone. It's as simple as that. How he becomes gone will raise questions. They could just cut him and eat 45 million. That can happen very quickly. It may if they see a guy they don't want around. It happened to Moss. That 45 mill will need to be dealt with regardless if he's here or not. That was Brez and his stupid CAP management. It's all over this current roster. It didn't stop with Kirk it just kept going. The new guys will deal with it. If everybody was thrown out the door I wouldn't cry. Start with a blank slate. Of course that won't happen.
Stats only have meaning in large enough sample sizes. That is why you should try to avoid pointing to individual plays as if they indicate a trend.
CharVike wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:32 pm
We avg 25 points per game. Packers avg 26.5 with a HOF MVP QB 39 TDs. Dak was the best as the Boys average 31.2 he tossed 40 TDs. He sucked in the playoffs and they got beat at home. The Bucs 30.1. Brady 43 TDs. Sometimes stats work.
The Packers were a point better than us with a HOF MVP year QB and most would say why didn't we win more. Well our defense and special teams were worthless. I seen that bum Dantzler just stand there in the end zone and just let a guy from the Lions catch a TD pass in front of him game over. Just stood there. The Packers actually played good D and even played great in the playoffs. That D stepped up and held the 49ers down. We never had a D under Zim that could do that. They always backed down. There special teams cost them. The 49ers D won the LOS battle and stuffed Rodgers. They didn't play well on all three levels and paid the price. That will happen most of the time unless your playing a bad team.
25 points a game isn't horrible the bottom was 14.9 now. Now that's horrible.
As for Cook he started 14 games. Sound familiar?
What you are pointing to here is that stats only matter with context, which to some is digging deep. For instance, the PPG stat you used is not actually how many points the offense scored per game, it is how many points the team did and includes defensive and STs scores. It also doesn't take into account the Vikings had the most drives by 4 of any team so they had the most opportunities to score of any team...and still couldn't manage to come close to TB or Dallas. The Vikings offense essentially played 3 more games worth of drives than the Packers this season, 194 to 162, and still Rodgers put up more volume stats than Cousins.
Other context from your post, Cook has the 5th most starts of any RB since 2018. He is actually a very durable RB and we are lucky to have him.
A little digging deep, but actually solid analysis for once.
SKOR north has been broadcasting that Kirk is making outrageous contract demands. I have searched the internet high and low and have found nothing of Kirk making any kind of contract demands. Are they pulling this out of their #### or is there a legitimate report I'm missing?
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:54 pm
SKOR north has been broadcasting that Kirk is making outrageous contract demands. I have searched the internet high and low and have found nothing of Kirk making any kind of contract demands. Are they pulling this out of their #### or is there a legitimate report I'm missing?
There was also this that referred to an Athletic writer...who I don't follow and haven't been able to find where he made the statement. Not sure if podcast. Or just smoke.
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:54 pm
SKOR north has been broadcasting that Kirk is making outrageous contract demands. I have searched the internet high and low and have found nothing of Kirk making any kind of contract demands. Are they pulling this out of their #### or is there a legitimate report I'm missing?
I can tell you for sure that it’s all smoke. No such demands in any way, shape or form
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:54 pm
SKOR north has been broadcasting that Kirk is making outrageous contract demands. I have searched the internet high and low and have found nothing of Kirk making any kind of contract demands. Are they pulling this out of their #### or is there a legitimate report I'm missing?
There was also this that referred to an Athletic writer...who I don't follow and haven't been able to find where he made the statement. Not sure if podcast. Or just smoke.
It's a tweet from a nobody who has sources who might be even more nobodies, who's guessing how much Cousins might get.
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
Kirk Cousins has zero intention of taking a pay cut, sources says. I’m told an extension could pay Cousins, 33, around $40M per year.
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:54 pm
SKOR north has been broadcasting that Kirk is making outrageous contract demands. I have searched the internet high and low and have found nothing of Kirk making any kind of contract demands. Are they pulling this out of their #### or is there a legitimate report I'm missing?
I can tell you for sure that it’s all smoke. No such demands in any way, shape or form
It seems like a lot of BS, but how can you say for sure? Inside sources?
There was also this that referred to an Athletic writer...who I don't follow and haven't been able to find where he made the statement. Not sure if podcast. Or just smoke.
It's a tweet from a nobody who has sources who might be even more nobodies, who's guessing how much Cousins might get.
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
Kirk Cousins has zero intention of taking a pay cut, sources says. I’m told an extension could pay Cousins, 33, around $40M per year.
Agreed. It's speculation not a solid report.
He isn't quite a nobody...I mean he does have almost 100K followers and host some podcast with different athletes. Courtney Cronin and John Randle both follow...so some Vikings connections.
CharVike wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:06 pm
Many people say stats don't matter. They only count if something else happens like a win. So in a lose if a QB throws 5 ints they shouldn't count either. Stats are what they are. They do provide a guideline. One year famous Jamesis threw 30 INTS which is a high number. I'm sure if you digged deep only some were his fault. 30 sticks out as a problem with out any digging. Kirk threw one this year that bounced off Osbourns hands. Should have been a TD and was an Int. Of course I'm sure you can dig and say Cousins released the ball .00000008 seconds late. That caused it. That type of stuff has no end. Just like QBR that espn created or the old QB rating have there flaws also. Cook is the best all around back we have ever had. But durability always seems to come up when he is mentioned. Perhaps that's a false narrative. I seem to recall him missing time in his career.
Stats would only have a good meaning if every team played every team both home and away. That will never happen of course. I know what I posted was PPG. But the bottom line TD passes are points regardless. Some guys threw over 40 and there PPG was high. Dallas had the highest and put up 52 one game which causes a flaw. My point in this entire thing was TD passes are important. No more than that. It's nice to have a QB that can throw them. But it's not a required. Time will tell as we go forward. If the new crew don't want Cousins he will be gone. It's as simple as that. How he becomes gone will raise questions. They could just cut him and eat 45 million. That can happen very quickly. It may if they see a guy they don't want around. It happened to Moss. That 45 mill will need to be dealt with regardless if he's here or not. That was Brez and his stupid CAP management. It's all over this current roster. It didn't stop with Kirk it just kept going. The new guys will deal with it. If everybody was thrown out the door I wouldn't cry. Start with a blank slate. Of course that won't happen.
Stats only have meaning in large enough sample sizes. That is why you should try to avoid pointing to individual plays as if they indicate a trend.
My degree isn't in stats. You would like to have the largest sample possible. But individual plays do have a meaning. Rodger had the hail Mary that knocked us out of going to a Super Bowl. That was a great play. He knew what he was doing by looking left to suck the D that way and coming back right. That was a great play and others have used it. But you will never get 100 million of those to make some type of digging or analysis or whatever. Others have used it so I guess you could call it a trend. Just like the shot gun formation. Dallas stating using it and then others jumped on board. A trend. Basically in your view there isn't a stat in the NFL that has any meaning because the data volume is so small. I don't care. Individual plays have meaning. The kid kick returner we had ran back two kicks for touchdowns. That's two plays and I was impressed. Not many guys bring them back. In your world that means nothing because he only did it twice. He would need to do it a few million times and then compare against a bunch of other stuff to determine true cause, effect relationship and any thing else that can be dreamed of. If we lost the game it sucked because it didn't help enough. I'll take it for what it is a great play. Will it be a trend for him? Hopefully but I doubt it.
Stats only have meaning in large enough sample sizes. That is why you should try to avoid pointing to individual plays as if they indicate a trend.
My degree isn't in stats. You would like to have the largest sample possible. But individual plays do have a meaning. Rodger had the hail Mary that knocked us out of going to a Super Bowl. That was a great play. He knew what he was doing by looking left to suck the D that way and coming back right. That was a great play and others have used it. But you will never get 100 million of those to make some type of digging or analysis or whatever. Others have used it so I guess you could call it a trend. Just like the shot gun formation. Dallas stating using it and then others jumped on board. A trend. Basically in your view there isn't a stat in the NFL that has any meaning because the data volume is so small. I don't care. Individual plays have meaning. The kid kick returner we had ran back two kicks for touchdowns. That's two plays and I was impressed. Not many guys bring them back. In your world that means nothing because he only did it twice. He would need to do it a few million times and then compare against a bunch of other stuff to determine true cause, effect relationship and any thing else that can be dreamed of. If we lost the game it sucked because it didn't help enough. I'll take it for what it is a great play. Will it be a trend for him? Hopefully but I doubt it.
You don't have to have a degree in stats to know that individual plays don't indicate a trend. You just need common sense.
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:43 pm
It's a tweet from a nobody who has sources who might be even more nobodies, who's guessing how much Cousins might get.
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
Kirk Cousins has zero intention of taking a pay cut, sources says. I’m told an extension could pay Cousins, 33, around $40M per year.
Agreed. It's speculation not a solid report.
He isn't quite a nobody...I mean he does have almost 100K followers and host some podcast with different athletes. Courtney Cronin and John Randle both follow...so some Vikings connections.
Well, considering he didn't sign with Washington because of his outrageous contract demands, refused to sign with any team in FA if they didn't meet his outrageous contract demands, and then refused to sign an extension that wasn't outrageous, I think any one of us can predict Cousins won't take a pay cut and will demand an outrageous amount of money and probably be right.
He has already done it three times in the past, and nothing is going to change now.
He isn't quite a nobody...I mean he does have almost 100K followers and host some podcast with different athletes. Courtney Cronin and John Randle both follow...so some Vikings connections.
Well, considering he didn't sign with Washington because of his outrageous contract demands, refused to sign with any team in FA if they didn't meet his outrageous contract demands, and then refused to sign an extension that wasn't outrageous, I think any one of us can predict Cousins won't take a pay cut and will demand an outrageous amount of money and probably be right.
He has already done it three times in the past, and nothing is going to change now.
He accepted less money to sign with us than he would have got from the JETS.
