808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:41 am
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:21 am
I liked Teddy and he didn't put up good numbers, but he seemed to have leadership qualities. His fatal flaw was hyperventilating when he got a receiver open deep and overthrew them by about ten yards every time.
His fatal flaw with the Vikings was he got hurt. He was primed to have a great year in 2016.
2019 Cook/Maddison (476 att 2133 yd 19 td 4.5y/a) was just as effective as 2015 Peterson/Mckinnon (474att 2211yd 18td 4.7y/a). Cousins benefited from the RB as much as Teddy did. Same with both defenses. Wins is what matters. Teddy lead this team to 11 wins, something that has been only reached 13 times in franchise history, and only one other time with Peterson at RB. It's something that Cousins has never done in his 9 years in the league. Teddy did it in 2. I mean who cares if his TDs are low. 1st and goal, why wouldn't you hand it off to #28. Give the guy credit for pete's sake.
I give teddy credit for his leadership, being a good teammate, the intangibles, etc. but I’m not giving him credit for a season that was carried by an elite RB and a good defense.
Primed to have a great year? Based off what? The preseason? That’s nothing but speculation. Cousins had a terrible preseason and had a pretty good year. Like preseason means nothing and is little indication of how a season is going to go. Especially for a QB.
Also, Cousins won games this year without any sort of run game. I’ve posted that once before. Philly, denver, Detroit and LAC. Cousins could win games without a run game because he had the passing ability to do it. Teddy couldn’t and didn’t.
If you want to compare rushing seasons, then let’s add in Peterson/Gerhart in 2012. Their total was 398 attempts, 2,266 yards and 13 touchdowns. That’s only 55 total yards more than 2015,
76 less attempts and
5 less touchdowns. And that was a season that AP nearly broke a record and Christian ponder was the QB. So if you want to look at it like that, then one could easily say Ponder should get credit given they ran less and had less touchdowns from their RBs but had almost an identical record. Do you see how poor that argument is when you put it this way?? Everyone and their mother could tell ponder was terrible but yet, I just made an argument for him there by using the stats you are when comparing teddy to cousins.
I find it odd that when this comparison of teddy and cousins is being made, we compare:
-RB stats
-Who had better weapons
-OL
-defense
-record
But for whatever reason, the QB numbers aren’t being compared? It’s because it’s widely known that cousins shatters teddy in just about every category.
But I’ll do it anyways (2015 teddy vs 2019 cousins):
-Most importantly, games played and attempts. In 2015, Teddy had 3 MORE passing attempts than cousins did in 2019 so it makes the comparison fair. However Teddy played a full 16 games where Cousins only played 15. So I’m going to lay out the actual numbers and then follow it up by adding cousins average in that category x1 since he sat the Chicago game. This will “give them” both 16 games to compare:
GAMES
Teddy- 16
Cousins- 15 (Sat bears game)
+/- Difference- Teddy +1
ATTEMPTS
Teddy- 447
Cousins- 444
+/- Difference- Teddy +3
Cousins average x1 - 30
Projected +/- difference- Cousins +27
COMPLETIONS
Teddy- 292
Cousins- 307
+/- Difference- Cousins +15
Cousins average x1 - 21
Projected +/- difference- Cousins +36
COMPLETION PERCENTAGE
Teddy- 65.3%
Cousins- 69.1%
+/- Difference- Cousins +3.8%
YARDS
Teddy- 3,231
Cousins- 3,603
+/- Difference- Cousins +372
Cousins average x1 - 240
Projected +/- difference- Cousins +612
AVERAGE YPA
Teddy- 7.2
Cousins- 8.1
+/- Difference- Cousins +0.9
AVERAGE YPG
Teddy- 201.9
Cousins- 240.2
+/- Difference- Cousins +38.3
TOUCHDOWNS
Teddy- 14
Cousins- 26
+/- Difference- Cousins +8
Cousins average x1 - ~2
Projected +/- difference- Cousins +10
TD PERCENTAGE
Teddy- 3.1
Cousins- 5.9
+/- Difference- Cousins +2.8
INTERCEPTIONS
Teddy- 9
Cousins- 6 (even though one of those Diggs dropped a perfect pass vs Philly that caused a Sendejo pick)
+/- Difference- Cousins -3
INTERCEPTION PERCENTAGE
Teddy- 2.0
Cousins- 1.4
+/- Difference- Cousins -0.6
FUMBLES LOST
Teddy- 3
Cousins- 3
+/- Difference- Even
20+ YARD COMPLETIONS
Teddy- 41
Cousins- 52
+/- Difference- Cousins +11
Cousins average x1 - 4
Projected +/- difference- Cousins +15
40+ YARD COMPLETIONS
Teddy- 6
Cousins- 11
+/- Difference- Cousins +5
Cousins average x1 - 1
Projected +/- difference- Cousins +6
WINS
Teddy- 11
Cousins- 10
+/- Difference- Teddy +1
Cousins average x1 - 1
Projected +/- difference- Even (if Sean Mannion nearly beat the bears with a slew of backups, Cousins would’ve won that game)
PLAYOFF WINS
Teddy- 0
Cousins- 1
+/- Difference- Cousins +1
Cousins beats Teddy in pretty much every category there is, and many it’s not even close. He beat him in those categories just about every time with one less game. The averages I added in for the missed bears game just widened the gap further. In the end, the two really aren’t comparable. Cousins is the superior QB no matter which way you look at it