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Post by Norv Zimmer » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:01 am

Get rid of Zimmer- Defense crumbles every game, clock management is terrible, no killer instinct. Seriously, for such a "Defensive Genius" His defenses have been garbage.
Get rid of Kubiak- Just because your daddy is a famous coordinator doesn't mean you will be, play calling is absolute trash. How is this team last in the NFL in pass attempts over 20 yards? We have Theilen and JJ use them.
Get rid of Spielman- sure he has had some good draft picks but for the most part he has been terrible. Mike Hughes? Treadwell? Gladney? Bradbury? Kalil? The Mcnabb debacle? The Bradford trade? The QB position is just something he can't figure out. I was screaming at the TV for them to draft Lamar Jackson, but no he drafts #### mike hughes......

The Vikings are not going to win anything this year. Get rid of all of them.
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Post by RandyMoss84 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:52 am

Norv Zimmer wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:01 am
Get rid of Zimmer- Defense crumbles every game, clock management is terrible, no killer instinct. Seriously, for such a "Defensive Genius" His defenses have been garbage.
Get rid of Kubiak- Just because your daddy is a famous coordinator doesn't mean you will be, play calling is absolute trash. How is this team last in the NFL in pass attempts over 20 yards? We have Theilen and JJ use them.
Get rid of Spielman- sure he has had some good draft picks but for the most part he has been terrible. Mike Hughes? Treadwell? Gladney? Bradbury? Kalil? The Mcnabb debacle? The Bradford trade? The QB position is just something he can't figure out. I was screaming at the TV for them to draft Lamar Jackson, but no he drafts #### mike hughes......

The Vikings are not going to win anything this year. Get rid of all of them.
The Bradford trade was not a bad trade, he had played a full season which is miracle since the offensive line sucks and he did not get hurt and had a great year but unfortanely, the next year, he got hurt and was released but at least it is a better trade than McNabb trade who only played in 6 games and got released
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Post by Maelstrom88 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:26 pm

Has Zygi ever fired a HC midseason? He doesn't seem like the type to do that to me.
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Re: Fire them all

Post by Mothman » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:30 pm

Maelstrom88 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:26 pm
Has Zygi ever fired a HC midseason? He doesn't seem like the type to do that to me.
Yes, Brad Childress was fired during the season.
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Post by RandyMoss84 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:32 pm

Maelstrom88 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:26 pm
Has Zygi ever fired a HC midseason? He doesn't seem like the type to do that to me.
Yup, Zygi fired Childress midseason, if he can fire Childress midseason, he should do the same with Zimmer
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Post by Maelstrom88 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:35 pm

Mothman wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:30 pm
Maelstrom88 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:26 pm
Has Zygi ever fired a HC midseason? He doesn't seem like the type to do that to me.
Yes, Brad Childress was fired during the season.
Thanks. That was before I followed the team as closely. I do think we are about to lose the next 3 or 4 games so it will be interesting. Personally I'd let him finish the year because I don't see the next HC on this team now so what's the point? As soon as the season ends though they'd be gone.
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Post by CharVike » Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:21 pm

Maelstrom88 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:35 pm
Mothman wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:30 pm


Yes, Brad Childress was fired during the season.
Thanks. That was before I followed the team as closely. I do think we are about to lose the next 3 or 4 games so it will be interesting. Personally I'd let him finish the year because I don't see the next HC on this team now so what's the point? As soon as the season ends though they'd be gone.
You never know about the next few games. We play the Pack tough and the others all have there own problems. The one coming up they were just destroyed. That don't happen to good teams. At least put up a fight. They didn't even do that. No comeback.
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Post by Rhodes Closed » Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:52 pm

I'm gonna just say instead of firing everyone, just relieve Zimmer of his position, upgrade Andre Patterson, and keep Klint Kubiak on for the rest of the season.

We cannot say that Kubiak for certain is not a good OC when, as should be noted, Zimmer is known for being overbearing with his coordinators, Klint is a 1st year OC, and unlike DeFillipo, has shown actual progress of offensive capabilities, especially in the first half.

I would love for us to be reasonable and play out the rest of the season here under these circumstances. Everyone loves Andre Patterson, and I imagine he'd have the loyalty of all players considering he's Zimmer's de facto #2. So why not give him a shot.

In fact, I say give Patterson five years of a rebuild. Go all out, be honest with the fans and tell us that this team is going to be #### for a while. The Minnesota Wild from 2012-2018 are a perfect example of what the Vikings are becoming: walking mediocrity with good players, but not enough coaching to win properly.

Vikings need to have a 5-step plan here in order to possibly get back to where we want to be as a franchise:

1.) Fire Zimmer, Upgrade Patterson

I love the man, he's given me some of my favorite memories as a coach, but I believe it's time to let him go. This Vikings team is not what it could be under him anymore. Andre Patterson would be an excellent replacement since not only do fans love him, players and execs love him as well. The man has been loyal to the organization since joining and we have to bring him up before another team decides to do so. While yes, it would be another defensive minded coach, he would likely give the offensive coordinator, whether that remain Kubiak (my position) or someone else, free reign on play-calling.

2.) Accumulate Picks

Unfortunately, it may be a reality that we all have to face as fans: rebuild. We're going to have to trade away a lot of key talent to acquire new ones. Yes, unfortunately, what I am hinting as is this: trade Cook, Thielen, Hunter, Smith, Barr, and Kendricks. Trade them and acquire as many early-rounds picks as you can. It's an unfortunate reality we may have to face, trade all our favorite players to acquire younger players. It is a viable rebuilding strategy and I know there are many teams that would be willing to give up king's ransoms for guys like Kendricks, Hunter, and Thielen.

3.) Avoid Free Agent Splashes

In the midst of free agency during our rebuild, we need to avoid making splash signings for big name players. Yes, they would be great for the team in the short term, but they also would cost money, something, if I were rebuilding, I'd be scrambling to save up on for the new corps. So if it happens that someone like Derrick Henry becomes available for whatever reason, we need to hold ourselves back from signing big players. The key here is to sign boring players on the cheap. No, they won't be as great players, but again, we're rebuilding. We *want* to deliberately suck for a while.

4.) Draft Wisely

The NFL Draft is never a sure thing tbh, but what we can do to avoid Draft failures is to trust in our scouts and pick best players available. We need to avoid picking for need if we can help it, and instead naturally build our draft through picking players that are concensus the best. You can never have too many great players on one position, because frankly, if they turn out excellent, you can just flip then for more picks and even players you want as well. Imagine if we had four great wide receivers, all extremely talented. They come at a premium so why not flip one of them to get other position players, no? The key to the draft is to draft the best players available, and don't worry about picking for need.

5.) Tank

We have to tank to get good players as well. And frankly, nobody wants to deliberately lose because it ruins the sportsmanship of the game... but #### that. We're in for the long haul and we want to win longer later than win for now but destitute after. So we lose games. This makes our draft picks more valuable and as we acquire more picks through trading our best players, we become more powerful in essence. We can dominate the draft and the free agent area with high cap (barring dead cap of course, which should go away later in the rebuild), to make the best signings (and safest for free agency) we can as a team: the goal here is to play our cards right and wait for our opportunity before we can finally make bigger moves.

And that's my five step program for how to rebuild the Vikings for 2026.
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Re: Fire them all

Post by Cliff » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:35 pm

Mothman wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:30 pm
Maelstrom88 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:26 pm
Has Zygi ever fired a HC midseason? He doesn't seem like the type to do that to me.
Yes, Brad Childress was fired during the season.
Yeah but he kind of melted down. Specifically he cut Moss without discussing it with the Wilfs or anybody. I think that was probably the biggest mistake he made. I think they'll keep Zimmer around until they're out of playoff contention.
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Re: Fire them all

Post by StumpHunter » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:42 pm

RandyMoss84 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:52 am
Norv Zimmer wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:01 am
Get rid of Zimmer- Defense crumbles every game, clock management is terrible, no killer instinct. Seriously, for such a "Defensive Genius" His defenses have been garbage.
Get rid of Kubiak- Just because your daddy is a famous coordinator doesn't mean you will be, play calling is absolute trash. How is this team last in the NFL in pass attempts over 20 yards? We have Theilen and JJ use them.
Get rid of Spielman- sure he has had some good draft picks but for the most part he has been terrible. Mike Hughes? Treadwell? Gladney? Bradbury? Kalil? The Mcnabb debacle? The Bradford trade? The QB position is just something he can't figure out. I was screaming at the TV for them to draft Lamar Jackson, but no he drafts #### mike hughes......

The Vikings are not going to win anything this year. Get rid of all of them.
The Bradford trade was not a bad trade, he had played a full season which is miracle since the offensive line sucks and he did not get hurt and had a great year but unfortanely, the next year, he got hurt and was released but at least it is a better trade than McNabb trade who only played in 6 games and got released
Bradford went 7-8, lead a bottom 10 offense, and at the time of the trade was the worst statistical full time starter with 60+ starts in the NFL. He was 16th in yards, 19th in YPA, and 19th in TDs in 2016.

He gave us a below average year where we missed the playoffs and then the very injury prone QB predictably got hurt.

It was not a good trade.
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Post by StumpHunter » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:53 pm

There is bound to be huge turnover on defense in 2022 and this offense even with a great offensive mind running things has a limited ceiling.

Vikings ownership has a chance to bring in a GM and HC who will be able to begin to reverse some of the mistakes management has been making for the past 10+ seasons as they rebuild towards 2023 when the team might actually have a chance to take steps forward.

Firing Zimmer only could be disastrous for this franchise as Rick makes poor decisions to "win now" in 2022, using resources like draft picks and cap space from 2023 and beyond in an effort to back into the playoffs and save his job.
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Post by S197 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:39 pm

You know they're going to half #### this rebuild. Zimmer will probably eventually be fired along with all his pals. Rick will stick around, trade down for 14 draft picks, 11 of which will probably never see meaningful play time. Walter Football or whatever will give us an A+ draft grade the day after, which will promote false optimism. He'll probably extend Cousins again. And we'll continue to wallow in mediocrity. But decent enough to fill the stands, which is all Zygi cares about. And we'll all talk about how "cursed" this franchise is for the last 50 years when really, we just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over.
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Post by fiestavike » Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:44 pm

StumpHunter wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:42 pm
RandyMoss84 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:52 am


The Bradford trade was not a bad trade, he had played a full season which is miracle since the offensive line sucks and he did not get hurt and had a great year but unfortanely, the next year, he got hurt and was released but at least it is a better trade than McNabb trade who only played in 6 games and got released
Bradford went 7-8, lead a bottom 10 offense, and at the time of the trade was the worst statistical full time starter with 60+ starts in the NFL. He was 16th in yards, 19th in YPA, and 19th in TDs in 2016.

He gave us a below average year where we missed the playoffs and then the very injury prone QB predictably got hurt.

It was not a good trade.
It was a terrible move, but not the worst move he has made.

Signing Cousins was worse, and even worse yet was extending ol' Cap'n Spazz.
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Post by makila » Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:51 pm

Rhodes Closed wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:52 pm
I'm gonna just say instead of firing everyone, just relieve Zimmer of his position, upgrade Andre Patterson, and keep Klint Kubiak on for the rest of the season.

We cannot say that Kubiak for certain is not a good OC when, as should be noted, Zimmer is known for being overbearing with his coordinators, Klint is a 1st year OC, and unlike DeFillipo, has shown actual progress of offensive capabilities, especially in the first half.

I would love for us to be reasonable and play out the rest of the season here under these circumstances. Everyone loves Andre Patterson, and I imagine he'd have the loyalty of all players considering he's Zimmer's de facto #2. So why not give him a shot.

In fact, I say give Patterson five years of a rebuild. Go all out, be honest with the fans and tell us that this team is going to be #### for a while. The Minnesota Wild from 2012-2018 are a perfect example of what the Vikings are becoming: walking mediocrity with good players, but not enough coaching to win properly.

Vikings need to have a 5-step plan here in order to possibly get back to where we want to be as a franchise:

1.) Fire Zimmer, Upgrade Patterson

I love the man, he's given me some of my favorite memories as a coach, but I believe it's time to let him go. This Vikings team is not what it could be under him anymore. Andre Patterson would be an excellent replacement since not only do fans love him, players and execs love him as well. The man has been loyal to the organization since joining and we have to bring him up before another team decides to do so. While yes, it would be another defensive minded coach, he would likely give the offensive coordinator, whether that remain Kubiak (my position) or someone else, free reign on play-calling.

2.) Accumulate Picks

Unfortunately, it may be a reality that we all have to face as fans: rebuild. We're going to have to trade away a lot of key talent to acquire new ones. Yes, unfortunately, what I am hinting as is this: trade Cook, Thielen, Hunter, Smith, Barr, and Kendricks. Trade them and acquire as many early-rounds picks as you can. It's an unfortunate reality we may have to face, trade all our favorite players to acquire younger players. It is a viable rebuilding strategy and I know there are many teams that would be willing to give up king's ransoms for guys like Kendricks, Hunter, and Thielen.

3.) Avoid Free Agent Splashes

In the midst of free agency during our rebuild, we need to avoid making splash signings for big name players. Yes, they would be great for the team in the short term, but they also would cost money, something, if I were rebuilding, I'd be scrambling to save up on for the new corps. So if it happens that someone like Derrick Henry becomes available for whatever reason, we need to hold ourselves back from signing big players. The key here is to sign boring players on the cheap. No, they won't be as great players, but again, we're rebuilding. We *want* to deliberately suck for a while.

4.) Draft Wisely

The NFL Draft is never a sure thing tbh, but what we can do to avoid Draft failures is to trust in our scouts and pick best players available. We need to avoid picking for need if we can help it, and instead naturally build our draft through picking players that are concensus the best. You can never have too many great players on one position, because frankly, if they turn out excellent, you can just flip then for more picks and even players you want as well. Imagine if we had four great wide receivers, all extremely talented. They come at a premium so why not flip one of them to get other position players, no? The key to the draft is to draft the best players available, and don't worry about picking for need.

5.) Tank

We have to tank to get good players as well. And frankly, nobody wants to deliberately lose because it ruins the sportsmanship of the game... but #### that. We're in for the long haul and we want to win longer later than win for now but destitute after. So we lose games. This makes our draft picks more valuable and as we acquire more picks through trading our best players, we become more powerful in essence. We can dominate the draft and the free agent area with high cap (barring dead cap of course, which should go away later in the rebuild), to make the best signings (and safest for free agency) we can as a team: the goal here is to play our cards right and wait for our opportunity before we can finally make bigger moves.

And that's my five step program for how to rebuild the Vikings for 2026.
I like the thought process. Why just give Patterson 5 years without conducting interviews with potential candidates? I am all for axing Zimmer now to see what the others can do in place. Although the Leslie Frazier scenario is possible.
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Post by fiestavike » Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:53 pm

makila wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:51 pm
Rhodes Closed wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:52 pm
I'm gonna just say instead of firing everyone, just relieve Zimmer of his position, upgrade Andre Patterson, and keep Klint Kubiak on for the rest of the season.

We cannot say that Kubiak for certain is not a good OC when, as should be noted, Zimmer is known for being overbearing with his coordinators, Klint is a 1st year OC, and unlike DeFillipo, has shown actual progress of offensive capabilities, especially in the first half.

I would love for us to be reasonable and play out the rest of the season here under these circumstances. Everyone loves Andre Patterson, and I imagine he'd have the loyalty of all players considering he's Zimmer's de facto #2. So why not give him a shot.

In fact, I say give Patterson five years of a rebuild. Go all out, be honest with the fans and tell us that this team is going to be #### for a while. The Minnesota Wild from 2012-2018 are a perfect example of what the Vikings are becoming: walking mediocrity with good players, but not enough coaching to win properly.

Vikings need to have a 5-step plan here in order to possibly get back to where we want to be as a franchise:

1.) Fire Zimmer, Upgrade Patterson

I love the man, he's given me some of my favorite memories as a coach, but I believe it's time to let him go. This Vikings team is not what it could be under him anymore. Andre Patterson would be an excellent replacement since not only do fans love him, players and execs love him as well. The man has been loyal to the organization since joining and we have to bring him up before another team decides to do so. While yes, it would be another defensive minded coach, he would likely give the offensive coordinator, whether that remain Kubiak (my position) or someone else, free reign on play-calling.

2.) Accumulate Picks

Unfortunately, it may be a reality that we all have to face as fans: rebuild. We're going to have to trade away a lot of key talent to acquire new ones. Yes, unfortunately, what I am hinting as is this: trade Cook, Thielen, Hunter, Smith, Barr, and Kendricks. Trade them and acquire as many early-rounds picks as you can. It's an unfortunate reality we may have to face, trade all our favorite players to acquire younger players. It is a viable rebuilding strategy and I know there are many teams that would be willing to give up king's ransoms for guys like Kendricks, Hunter, and Thielen.

3.) Avoid Free Agent Splashes

In the midst of free agency during our rebuild, we need to avoid making splash signings for big name players. Yes, they would be great for the team in the short term, but they also would cost money, something, if I were rebuilding, I'd be scrambling to save up on for the new corps. So if it happens that someone like Derrick Henry becomes available for whatever reason, we need to hold ourselves back from signing big players. The key here is to sign boring players on the cheap. No, they won't be as great players, but again, we're rebuilding. We *want* to deliberately suck for a while.

4.) Draft Wisely

The NFL Draft is never a sure thing tbh, but what we can do to avoid Draft failures is to trust in our scouts and pick best players available. We need to avoid picking for need if we can help it, and instead naturally build our draft through picking players that are concensus the best. You can never have too many great players on one position, because frankly, if they turn out excellent, you can just flip then for more picks and even players you want as well. Imagine if we had four great wide receivers, all extremely talented. They come at a premium so why not flip one of them to get other position players, no? The key to the draft is to draft the best players available, and don't worry about picking for need.

5.) Tank

We have to tank to get good players as well. And frankly, nobody wants to deliberately lose because it ruins the sportsmanship of the game... but #### that. We're in for the long haul and we want to win longer later than win for now but destitute after. So we lose games. This makes our draft picks more valuable and as we acquire more picks through trading our best players, we become more powerful in essence. We can dominate the draft and the free agent area with high cap (barring dead cap of course, which should go away later in the rebuild), to make the best signings (and safest for free agency) we can as a team: the goal here is to play our cards right and wait for our opportunity before we can finally make bigger moves.

And that's my five step program for how to rebuild the Vikings for 2026.
I like the thought process. Why just give Patterson 5 years without conducting interviews with potential candidates? I am all for axing Zimmer now to see what the others can do in place. Although the Leslie Frazier scenario is possible.
Vikings will hire Kellen Moore to train up Kellen Mond.
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