psjordan wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:00 am
808vikingsfan wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:11 am
Some believe this is a championship roster that is underachieving.
I’ve seen this sentiment posted a few times from a few folks, and honestly I have not seen one poster on this forum claim this is a “championship roster” that is not playing well for whatever reason.
For me (a believer in “coaching makes an average player good and a good player great”), the frustration lies with the fact this is not a “good team” by my measure (good teams make the playoffs every year). We certainly have holes in the current roster, but we also most certainly have players capable of playing at a high level. We just do not do that consistently.
My frustration summation:
A) We have a woefully underachieving coaching staff with a lot of turnover, manned by family and friends. That doesn’t necessarily disqualify anyone, but they have WAY more to prove than a good resume/candidate from elsewhere. The bar is high to erase claims of nepotism.
B) Whatever OL talent we drafted in the past 10 years (and it admittedly may not be much) has been almost completely wasted to date, either by not keeping up with NFL trends (monster DL’s) or undercoaching (and this includes wrong scheme for player type and vice versa).
C) We seem to always have (and maybe every team has but I don’t follow every team) a contingent of vocal malcontents. In and of itself not a major problem I guess, but it always seems to become public and always seems to distract an already distracted team. Attitude reflects leadership, and good leaders don’t have players tweeting fans that they will enjoy [deleted for family friendliness].
D) It seems very weird to me that Speilman is mentioned by talking heads as one of the better GM’s in the league. He seems midpack to me, but if he really is in the upper tier, then how damning is that for the coaching staff? I mean I never hear those talking heads have the hot take “Rick Spielman is one of the better GM’s in the league, and boy has Zimmer and staff screwed up all the talent he drafted/signed”. Strange.
E) A lot of things have to go right for Kirk to be successful, and as important as the QB position is in the NFL I would think almost every waking moment for our coaching staff should be spent on “what makes Kirk comfortable to be successful”? Based on post-game comments among other things, my take is that Zimmer just kind of expects Kirk to make things happen, no matter Zim’s effect on the situation. When was the last time Zim said “I personally failed to put Kirk in a position to succeed”? I cannot imagine Zim even thinking, much less saying, something like that. Zim does not own much after losses.
IMO all but the deranged fans know we don’t have a “championship roster”. It seems to me that at this point, most would be happy with making and having a “good” showing in the playoffs (not even necessarily a win, but certainly not a blowout) along with more than one major team trend pointing up.
The current configuration of this team, from GM on down, apparently provides neither going forward.
808vikingsfan wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:11 am
I don't see any cohesiveness or leadership on this team. I said it at the start of the season and I still believe it, it's going to get ugly in Minnesota.
Oh I am 100% agreed on that. Heck, Zim's pacemaker may stop if Kirk keeps celebrating close wins that way.
So much great stuff here. Good thoughts.
I’ll speak to the Cousins comments.
It’s incredibly frustrating to watch a game like the Ravens-Colts game. I watch Lamar Jackson, and I think, “This guy can’t throw!” Yet there he is at the end of the game, 37-of-43 for 440+ yards, his team comes back to win, and he is absolutely the reason. He lifted his team from a 22-3 deficit.
If you had a passing competition between Kirk Cousins and Lamar Jackson, Cousins would destroy him. But in a QUARTERBACK competition, Jackson embarrasses Cousins. He’s been a starter for parts of 3 years, and his team has been in the playoffs all 3 years. He makes plays out of nothing. He’s the only quarterback in the league who can be indecisive and still great, meaning he can change his mind and adapt to a play in a split second. Kirk, on the other hand, says he checked down in the last 30 seconds trailing by a TD against Cleveland because when he read the deeper patterns, none of them were a “slam dunk.” Why was he able to hit Thielen against Detroit? Because Thielen was wide open. A slam dunk — the only play Cousins can make. He makes them well, but he’s limited to slam dunks. Kirk needs everything to line up, or he can’t execute.
Meanwhile, put Russell Wilson on this team, and we’re probably at least 4-1. That’s not to say Kirk Cousins has played poorly. It’s to say that he’s not special, and he’s getting lousy coaching. A special quarterback can cover the sins of bad coaching. Aaron Rodgers with Mike McCarthy all those years is living proof. Cousins cannot overcome bad coaching.
Quarterbacks like Jackson and Wilson don’t grow on trees. But honest to goodness, if the Minnesota Vikings are going to stick with Mike Zimmer as head coach, then they need to figure out a way to get a special quarterback. I pushed hard for Deshaun Watson prior to all his legal issues. I got ripped for it. But I stand by that desire, at least my desire to acquire a special talent similar to Watson.
Nick Wright of Fox Sports says an established superstar quarterback is worth as many first round picks as he has years left to play. So for example, if you could get 7 years of Russell Wilson, he’s worth 7 first round picks. Nobody would actually do that, but I think the sentiment is correct. Look at every division leader — they’re all led by the best QB in the division (or in the case of Justin Herbert vs. Patrick Mahomes, the QB who is playing the best).
East — Buffalo, Allen
North — Baltimore, Jackson
West — Chargers, Herbert
South — Titans, Tannehill
East — Dallas, Dak
North — Green Bay, Rodgers
West — Arizona, Murray
South — Tampa, Brady
Every. Single. Division. The days of Trent Dilfer riding the coattails of a generational defense are long gone.
We either need a way better coach, or we need a superstar quarterback. We should do whatever it takes to get one or both.