StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:09 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:10 pm
Like I can look at a game like Philly or Denver and say “Yeah, Kirk cousins won us that game”. I don’t think I can do that with any game in 2015 with teddy. I guess the Chicago game. A team that was brutal and checked out by that point of the season. Outside of that, he threw for more than 1 td in one game (Detroit).
Denver was a 7-9 team QB'd by a third string QB. Philly was 9-7 team that played in the worst division in football. Not exactly the pinnacle of teams there.
Two division games where Teddy just went off are just as big if not bigger.
Neither really proves either QB is a difference maker, and in fact if you are looking at which QB does better in higher scoring games, Cousins is actually 2-8-1 in games where the defense gave up 24 points or more for the Vikings, while Teddy was 5-4, with most of those coming when he didn't have AP in 2014.
How’d I know you’d come in claiming how those teams weren’t any good? Similar to what you did with the saints. They were a better team (a
much better team) until cousins beat them. Then it turns into they weren’t as good. If cousins beat the chiefs, it would be because they didn’t have Mahomes. If he beat the bears, it would be because they didn’t end up being good by years end. If he beat the packers, it would be because they were the biggest poser in the nfc. If he beat the Seahawks, it would be because they were only a wild card team and barely beat Philly with McCown. He beats the 13-3 saints on the road in the playoffs and it’s, well they weren’t as good as we were and so on. How does the guy win? He has no hope because there is always some excuse as to why this win or that win wasn’t credible. Nobody is asking you to praise the guy, but give credit where credit is due.
As for the teams I mentioned, Philly was a playoff team, I don’t care what division they played in. No less Philly probably had a legit shot to beat Seattle in the playoffs if Josh McCown didn’t have to come in for wentz.
And yeah sure, denver wasn’t great by any means but they had a top 5-10 defense at the time and we were down 20-0 at half. I don’t care if it was the bengals beating us 20-0 at halftime. If you come back from that deficit, you did a damn good job no matter who the team is you’re playing. QBs were 0-99 when being down 20+ points at halftime. That should say enough right there. No less to come back from that much against a good defense and a coach that found ways to get cousins off his game in the past.
And are you talking about divisional games he “went off in” this year with New Orleans? Because he only played one divisional opponent. And if so you’re talking about Philly and denver not being “pinnacle teams” but talking about him going off against the buccaneers? A team that, at the time of that game, had the dead last ranked pass defense in the entire nfl and ended up with the 30th overall ranked pass defense by years end. That’s like bragging about cousins going off against the lions in week 7 when their pass defense was just as pathetic.
I don’t really know what you’re trying to get at but you seem like you’re really trying to dig for a game or two where teddy actually played well (as a passer). These a few and far between. Like did teddy play better this year, yeah he did. But it was also 5 games. When he plays a full season this year then we can really assess him and what type of passer he really is. Until then, we’re getting nowhere. It’s unfair to compare his 5 games to cousins 15 this year. It’s supposedly unfair to compare 2015 teddy to 2019 cousins. So really, we’re talking in circles each saying the other persons argument is unfair. We will be able to assess this after the 2020 season (knock on wood neither get hurt).
But going along with what kapp said, he’s not our QB anymore so why even get into this? I don’t know. It seems to come up here and there. The same happened with keenum. I think it comes up because members that aren’t fans of cousins feel like they need to prove that keenum or teddy were better options than cousins. So far, neither keenum or teddy have proved they were better options. Keenum is completely off the table at this point and is again on the bench. Something I called out in just about every keenum argument. That he will go somewhere as a stop gap (denver), maybe get another chance to start elsewhere and continue below average play (Washington) and then end up back on the bench (Cleveland). Those were my exact words in those arguments and it’s exactly what happened. I remember specifically when I was arguing how keenum sucked in Denver, the anti-cousins fans, you included, made every excuse in the book to say how Denver had nobody, they weren’t a good team, he lost his WRs, he was still a better option than cousins, etc. No. He’s now a backup, again. 3 teams in 3 years since his miraculous luck driven year in Minnesota. I wouldn’t be surprised one bit to see those same excuses again if teddy doesn’t do well in Carolina.
Not saying this will happen with teddy but he still has a ton to prove as a passer and is nowhere near cousins talent in that regard. I currently think teddy is a better QB than keenum simply because teddy is conservative and is a game manager where keenum is usually the opposite and makes too many bone headed plays. Teams will take a game manager over an inconsistent QB. Teddy has consistency but it’s the consistency of a lesser Alex Smith. A touchdown pass a game (or none), throw for 170 yards most games, sometimes maybe a 2 td game, will have a random 4 td game against a bad team and then come back to earth. Never does teddy play really bad and throw 3 ints in a game. He just very rarely carries his team through the air.
But overall, the comparison is getting us nowhere and nobody is changing anyone’s mind. Minds are made up and until we have further proof as to what kind of QB teddy really is, it will remain a mystery