Re: Draft Day thread
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:54 pm
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So what happens with Bynum then?Texas Vike wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:54 pm Worthwhile read:
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I believe they dumped him because he never learned from his errors. OL is a good example but QB and compiling a silly number of 7ths are others. Or panic trading high round picks. On the QB front, I mean having no contingency plan for any of our starting QBs going back to Favre. He would have his guy and proceed to have an old journeyman as backup and an UDFA as 3rd string. He took zero chances to upgrade the position unless absolutely necessary until he took Mond. But by then his bed was made.VikingLord wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:04 pmIf he does keep trading, I hope he at least gets some objective value in return.S197 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:39 pm My biggest gripe with Rick wasn't that he would trade down but that he would give up a lot of these higher round picks for a bundle of late round picks, which almost never work out. I can kinda get behind the thought process that there's not a whole lot of differentiation between a 1st-3rd rounder or a "tier 1" and "tier 2" player. I just hope Kwesi doesn't go nuts today and tomorrow and end up with 10 picks, half of which don't even make it past training camp like Spielman.
I'm also not sure why the Wilfs dumped Spielman. KAM's player personnel moves thus far have been, to put it kindly, underwhelming.
Maybe KOC will make a big difference as head coach, but it's hard to objectively look at the Vikings right now and see reason to expect different results on the field this coming season. It's pretty much the same team from last year with a new head coach.
The player they took is very good, The deal they made to get to that spot was God awful Just horrible value.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:54 pm Worthwhile read:
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Not sure. Sounds like Donatell's scheme might rely on three safeties frequently. Smith and Cine can both edge rush / play LB in certain situations. We'll see. But it's telling that they took Cine at 32. If they go with Booth at 34, it would be very interesting.VikingsFan84 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:56 pmSo what happens with Bynum then?Texas Vike wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:54 pm Worthwhile read:
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Spielman addressed the offensive line more than any other GM over the last 5 years. He just didn't do it successfully.VikingsFan84 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:25 pmThe Wilfs dumped Speilman because he keeps failing to address the offensive lineVikingLord wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:04 pm
If he does keep trading, I hope he at least gets some objective value in return.
I'm also not sure why the Wilfs dumped Spielman. KAM's player personnel moves thus far have been, to put it kindly, underwhelming.
Maybe KOC will make a big difference as head coach, but it's hard to objectively look at the Vikings right now and see reason to expect different results on the field this coming season. It's pretty much the same team from last year with a new head coach.
You mean Jordan Davis and 46.Pep2Moss wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:23 pmThe player they took is very good, The deal they made to get to that spot was God awful Just horrible value.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:54 pm Worthwhile read:
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Hamilton and 46 for Cine, 34 and 66.
Terrible.
But hey, 90% of this board wanted Spielman gone. Exactly why I said back then, be careful what you wish for. Spielman had his flaws, but there is zero chance in hell he makes that trade. He would’ve drafted Hamilton. He already said in a podcast that Hamilton was his favorite player in the draft. Again, I like Cine. But I want to throw up at the value we got in return of that tradeVikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:04 pmIt was a somewhat need. Most people considered CB to be a bigger need. I like Cine, but most had him as a 2nd round pick. The consensus is not that we got a steal.VikingsFan84 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:55 pm
It is an immediate need, Vikings do not have anyone good next to Harrison
Rick Spielman traded back last year not nearly as far and got two 3rd round picks thrown in without giving up a 2nd round pick.
That’s even worse.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:06 pmSpielman addressed the offensive line more than any other GM over the last 5 years. He just didn't do it successfully.VikingsFan84 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:25 pm
The Wilfs dumped Speilman because he keeps failing to address the offensive line
It may be worse, but it's true. To say he didn't address the O Line couldn't be further from the truth.S197 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:31 pmThat’s even worse.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:06 pm
Spielman addressed the offensive line more than any other GM over the last 5 years. He just didn't do it successfully.
As for Lewis Cine:While this draft has been discounted for its lack of premium talent, the Vikings feel there’s value to be had in the depth of the draft from around picks 25 to 75. The Vikings now have four selections in that range.
I bolded that sentence for the benefit of those who are so sure that Kyle Hamilton (4.59 in the 40, slowest safety at the combine) is miles better than Cine.The Vikings have a need at safety and even though they’re confident in second-year player Cam Bynum, they’re envisioning a dynamic group that could include having all three safeties on the field at the same time, perhaps as a way to combat the pass-happy tendencies of the league.
Cine is a do-it-all safety, too. He’s great at stepping up into the box and stopping the run. He makes tackles look effortless. He can cover ground, too, as evidenced by his 4.37-second 40-yard dash. It’s easy to envision him playing next to Harrison Smith for a couple of years and eventually becoming the stalwart Smith has been on the Vikings’ backend.
We'll see what actually comes of the players hes picked before I'll "miss" Spielman.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:23 pmBut hey, 90% of this board wanted Spielman gone. Exactly why I said back then, be careful what you wish for. Spielman had his flaws, but there is zero chance in hell he makes that trade. He would’ve drafted Hamilton. He already said in a podcast that Hamilton was his favorite player in the draft. Again, I like Cine. But I want to throw up at the value we got in return of that tradeVikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:04 pm
It was a somewhat need. Most people considered CB to be a bigger need. I like Cine, but most had him as a 2nd round pick. The consensus is not that we got a steal.
Rick Spielman traded back last year not nearly as far and got two 3rd round picks thrown in without giving up a 2nd round pick.
Or maybe, Dr. Phil, people look into actual scouting reports and find out that they really didn’t know anything about the player. That they aren’t the experts they thought they were. You should try it sometime.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:30 pm I want to talk about a common happening after drafts that happens with the fans of every team. When fans start off with a very negative perception of what their favorite team has done they start hearing all the wonderful things about the pick and watch the highlights and hear why the trade was good and they want to feel good again. They talk themselves into believing all the positive spin. I know this because I have done this on several occasions. Most of us are susceptible to this. Some of us may be immune, but those people are very much in the minority.