Post Draft thoughts

[J. Kapp 11]

It’s fair to criticize KAM for trading within the division. It’s almost never done, and certainly not so early, when there’s higher potential for impact players. As most of you have said, if those guys burn us twice a year, it’s gonna look pretty bad.

But value? C’mon y’all. Think about it.

If I’ve managed to keep up with all the trades, it looks to me like KAM turned the No. 12 pick into Cine, Booth, Ingram and Asamoah.

I’m not sure you could do much better for value.

[VikingsVictorious]

I'd give our draft a solid B+ and I'm excited to see how the new players work out. Sorry for getting into it a bit with Stump, but I don't like just letting him go unchallenged.

I'll give it a B for now, mostly because I didn't like the return on value in the trades. Players picked are fine, but I also knock KAM a bit for under-valuing the talent available at #12 and the overall value of #12 in the draft itself. His theory was the talent level was pretty flat out to around pick 75. The fact he traded with two teams in his own division and both took talented WR prospects will give him a chance to evaluate that view twice every year now for a few years at least. Meanwhile, there are two highly-regarded players who he passed up at #12 in Hamilton and Davis who will be interesting to watch to see how their careers evolve.

I'm not sold on Hamilton at all, but I love Davis. I would have drafted him at 12 and been thrilled about it. By trading back Kwesi turned that pick into Cine and Booth. Who would you rather have? Davis or Cine and Booth. I would trade Davis for Cine and Booth. If you believe Davis or Hamilton are more valuable by themselves than the Cine/Booth combo than that is an understandable position. I can see multiple pro bowls in Davis future, but not so much Cine and Booth. IMO either would have been good. As it is we strengthened the secondary rather than the Interior DL.

[VikingsVictorious]

It’s fair to criticize KAM for trading within the division. It’s almost never done, and certainly not so early, when there’s higher potential for impact players. As most of you have said, if those guys burn us twice a year, it’s gonna look pretty bad.

But value? C’mon y’all. Think about it.

If I’ve managed to keep up with all the trades, it looks to me like KAM turned the No. 12 pick into Cine, Booth, Ingram and Asamoah.

I’m not sure you could do much better for value.

Check out my recap on it. I showed that he got Cine and Booth from pick 12 no question, but he had to use other assets like 46 and change to get the other players.
I love trading within the division. Just make sure to get the better of it.

[Foreman44]

This was by far the most disappointed I have been with my favorite team and I cannot believe we drafted a guy who was indicted by a grand jury for aggravated sexual assault against children.

Not sure how people can put that aside and still like this draft. Just disgusting that Kwesi would even consider drafting someone like that and no amount of analytics should warrant adding a man who only escaped prison because he was lucky enough his victims didn't show up to testify. Something all too common in a criminal justice system that treats victims of these cases like they are criminals themselves.

I was disappointed as well. Who did we get.. we don’t really know how these picks will turn out. It could be anywhere between as bad as some think to to average, or a super bowl type year...I hope somewhere in in between or better.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I like the picks we made but simply didn’t like the value we got in trades. Mainly the first trade we made with Detroit. I also didn’t like that we handed both Detroit and GB much needed WRs. Sure, maybe they could’ve landed them after us anyways but again, let them battle a trade out with another team, don’t hand them what they want on a silver platter.

Detroit agreed but that trade netted us Cine and Booth. I would trade Williams for Cine and Booth 7 days of the week. The Pukers made an awful trade and I'm thrilled that we were the team to take advantage of them.

Again I dont dislike who they drafted with those picks. But I dont care what anyone says, you should've gotten way more value for pick 12 compared to what they got.

Think about it...we got Cine and Booth at 32 and 42. Great value given where we were picking. But at one point we had 12 and 46. Trading up from 46 to 42 for Booth would've been an easy move. But 12 could have been Kyle Hamilton, Jordan Davis or Jameson Williams. I like Cine dont get me wrong but liked those 3 better. Hamilton's speed worried me a bit but still. I just feel like we didnt get the return that we should have for the 12th overall pick. No player wise but pick wise.

[StanM]

I thought this thread was a discussion about the draft and not about the criminal justice system. The way I look at sports is that it’s a diversion from daily life. I leave the draft and selecting players up to the Vikings and any legal issues involving players up to the legal system. When I player is exonerated of charges I take it at face value. If for some reason I had personal objections to the teams decisions I would find another favorite team or stop following the sport entirely. I would not sit back and complain and try to convince everyone to agree with my personal opinions and convictions.

My only goal is watch sports and teams that I enjoy following. My adult son said something in jest one time that I think could apply to being a football fan. At one time I wrote about and took photos for an auto racing publication. The Outlaws were in town and I knew a few of the drivers and asked my son if he wanted to go down to the pits and meet them after the races. He replied “no dad, I compare sports heroes to strippers. I just want to watch them do their thing and don’t want to know their drama”. In spite of being a humorous analogy it makes a lot of sense. I just want to watch the Vikings, go to an occasional game and escape the problems of life for a few hours. I don’r care about the drama and will defer those choices to people more knowledgeable than me. That philosophy has gotten me through 61 years of Vikings chaos.

So, how about that draft? Overall I am pleased with it and am looking forward to the coming season.

I'd give our draft a solid B+ and I'm excited to see how the new players work out. Sorry for getting into it a bit with Stump, but I don't like just letting him go unchallenged.

No worries. I just feel compelled to talk people down off the ledge when their posts are full of anger and stress. We have been around long enough to know that the sun comes up the next day after Super Bowl and playoff losses. The Twins winning the World Series twice showed me that when the home team won work still sucked the next day and my wife gave me a "honey do" list when I got home. I deal with high blood pressure and that sort of thing at 70 and it's directly attributable to having been a Vikings fan for their entire existence. We old Vikings fans have to be careful, we're damaged goods and it wouldn't take much to make us keel over.

[StanM]

I thought this thread was a discussion about the draft and not about the criminal justice system. The way I look at sports is that it’s a diversion from daily life. I leave the draft and selecting players up to the Vikings and any legal issues involving players up to the legal system. When I player is exonerated of charges I take it at face value. If for some reason I had personal objections to the teams decisions I would find another favorite team or stop following the sport entirely. I would not sit back and complain and try to convince everyone to agree with my personal opinions and convictions.

My only goal is watch sports and teams that I enjoy following. My adult son said something in jest one time that I think could apply to being a football fan. At one time I wrote about and took photos for an auto racing publication. The Outlaws were in town and I knew a few of the drivers and asked my son if he wanted to go down to the pits and meet them after the races. He replied “no dad, I compare sports heroes to strippers. I just want to watch them do their thing and don’t want to know their drama”. In spite of being a humorous analogy it makes a lot of sense. I just want to watch the Vikings, go to an occasional game and escape the problems of life for a few hours. I don’r care about the drama and will defer those choices to people more knowledgeable than me. That philosophy has gotten me through 61 years of Vikings chaos.

So, how about that draft? Overall I am pleased with it and am looking forward to the coming season.

Where do you live, man? We need to go to a game sometime. The more I read your posts, the more I like you.

I’m with you. This is a diversion. It’s entertainment. It’s not life. I get jacked when we win, I’m down when we lose, and I love to talk Vikings football, but in the end, my life isn’t defined by what the Minnesota Vikings do or don’t do. I have a wife who has loved me for 41 years, two amazing sons, two beautiful and kind daughters-in-law, and four grandchildren who melt my heart just thinking about them. What pro football players do when they’re not on the field is not going to make or break my day.

I am in one of the northeast suburbs. I do have to warn you that I'm pretty boring company but I appreciate the tip of the hat.

[VikingsVictorious]

I'd give our draft a solid B+ and I'm excited to see how the new players work out. Sorry for getting into it a bit with Stump, but I don't like just letting him go unchallenged.

No worries. I just feel compelled to talk people down off the ledge when their posts are full of anger and stress. We have been around long enough to know that the sun comes up the next day after Super Bowl and playoff losses. The Twins winning the World Series twice showed me that when the home team won work still sucked the next day and my wife gave me a "honey do" list when I got home. I deal with high blood pressure and that sort of thing at 70 and it's directly attributable to having been a Vikings fan for their entire existence. We old Vikings fans have to be careful, we're damaged goods and it wouldn't take much to make us keel over.

I'm 63 so I resemble your remarks.

[StanM]

It’s fair to criticize KAM for trading within the division. It’s almost never done, and certainly not so early, when there’s higher potential for impact players. As most of you have said, if those guys burn us twice a year, it’s gonna look pretty bad.

But value? C’mon y’all. Think about it.

If I’ve managed to keep up with all the trades, it looks to me like KAM turned the No. 12 pick into Cine, Booth, Ingram and Asamoah.

I’m not sure you could do much better for value.

If the Packers burn us twice a year or in the playoffs as a direct result of this draft pick that just means we still weren't good enough to make it into the Super Bowl for a fifth time. Teams do not improve themselves by worrying about other teams rosters. They probably would have found another trading partner, still made the pick, and we would have missed out on an opportunity.

[VikingsVictorious]

It’s fair to criticize KAM for trading within the division. It’s almost never done, and certainly not so early, when there’s higher potential for impact players. As most of you have said, if those guys burn us twice a year, it’s gonna look pretty bad.

But value? C’mon y’all. Think about it.

If I’ve managed to keep up with all the trades, it looks to me like KAM turned the No. 12 pick into Cine, Booth, Ingram and Asamoah.

I’m not sure you could do much better for value.

If the Packers burn us twice a year or in the playoffs as a direct result of this draft pick that just means we still weren't good enough to make it into the Super Bowl for a fifth time. Teams do not improve themselves by worrying about other teams rosters. They probably would have found another trading partner, still made the pick, and we would have missed out on an opportunity.

With the Pukers offering 2 2nd round picks for one almost every team in the league would have accepted that offer.

[VikingLord]

I'm not sold on Hamilton at all, but I love Davis. I would have drafted him at 12 and been thrilled about it. By trading back Kwesi turned that pick into Cine and Booth. Who would you rather have? Davis or Cine and Booth. I would trade Davis for Cine and Booth. If you believe Davis or Hamilton are more valuable by themselves than the Cine/Booth combo than that is an understandable position. I can see multiple pro bowls in Davis future, but not so much Cine and Booth. IMO either would have been good. As it is we strengthened the secondary rather than the Interior DL.

It's hard to say on the value front because I've seen many examples where highly hyped players in a given draft flamed out or underwhelm, while less heralded or consistent lower picks got it together and thrived as pros. My opinion on all four players is really based on what others wrote about them and limited highlights and video analysis I saw.

From a pure player perspective, I think Cine and Booth were good value where they were selected. I don't think the Vikings got fleeced in terms of talent and potential, and they needed an infusion of both in their secondary.

KAM did make moves to buttress the DL in free agency. Hunter will be back, and two effective vets were added in Smith and Phillips. There are a lot of health questions to be answered among that group, but on the flip side if all stay healthy that is a very solid, experienced core that might make some of the DL issues of last year a distant memory. So while I would have loved the addition of Davis, I can see why KAM might have thought he could get more value by drafting secondary than DL, even if Davis turns out to be a beast.

[VikingLord]

I deal with high blood pressure and that sort of thing at 70 and it's directly attributable to having been a Vikings fan for their entire existence. We old Vikings fans have to be careful, we're damaged goods and it wouldn't take much to make us keel over.

I wonder if the Vikings should come with one of those FDA warning labels.

"This team has been linked to inexplicable collapses, clearly blown bad calls, and impossible blunders at key moments in big games. They are usually supremely talented and known to get people's hopes way up before mercilessly crushing them into the dirt. As a result, there is a very high chance if you choose to follow this team you may be exposed to physical and mental dangers to your health and well-being. These include, but are not limited to, loudly yelling at the TV, refs, coaches and players who cannot hear you and, if they could hear you, would not change anything they did or will do, sulking for hours or, in some cases, days, after a bad loss, or otherwise malaise as you constantly wonder how fate could be so cruel to so many for so long. Following this team has been known to cause irrational exuberance at other times, especially around the time of the draft and preseason where you are prone to note that player X "looks good" or you note that the coaches, GM, or player X seem to be saying the right things and have the right attitude. All of these things then inevitably may lead you back to yelling at the TV, refs, coaches and players. Being a fan of this team has been known to cause actual physical harm. If possible, try to be a fan of at least one other pro sports team outside of the state of Minnesota. This can counteract at least some portion of what you will experience as a Vikings fan."

[808vikingsfan]

Allegations were made. It doesn't mean anything actually happened. Perhaps it was young people playing Doctor.

He was 15...wtf is wrong with you?

You can imagine how big he was to those two girls when he was 15.

[Foreman44]

I just read a article about this draft looking so much like past drafts of R.S.

Basically it said that our GM is still using R.S. draft specialists.. Those he wouldn’t change till after the draft.....

[StumpHunter]

I thought this thread was a discussion about the draft and not about the criminal justice system. The way I look at sports is that it’s a diversion from daily life. I leave the draft and selecting players up to the Vikings and any legal issues involving players up to the legal system. When I player is exonerated of charges I take it at face value. If for some reason I had personal objections to the teams decisions I would find another favorite team or stop following the sport entirely. I would not sit back and complain and try to convince everyone to agree with my personal opinions and convictions.

My only goal is watch sports and teams that I enjoy following. My adult son said something in jest one time that I think could apply to being a football fan. At one time I wrote about and took photos for an auto racing publication. The Outlaws were in town and I knew a few of the drivers and asked my son if he wanted to go down to the pits and meet them after the races. He replied “no dad, I compare sports heroes to strippers. I just want to watch them do their thing and don’t want to know their drama”. In spite of being a humorous analogy it makes a lot of sense. I just want to watch the Vikings, go to an occasional game and escape the problems of life for a few hours. I don’r care about the drama and will defer those choices to people more knowledgeable than me. That philosophy has gotten me through 61 years of Vikings chaos.

So, how about that draft? Overall I am pleased with it and am looking forward to the coming season.

I'd give our draft a solid B+ and I'm excited to see how the new players work out. Sorry for getting into it a bit with Stump, but I don't like just letting him go unchallenged.

Was it really important to challenge my stance about not wanting a child rapist on the team? To the point you diminished what he did by claiming it could have been consensual between a 15 and 13 year old or that they were "just playing doctor"? I sort of understand the people who have to ignore the charges to be able to continue to follow the team, but defending what that monster actually did? That is just plain evil.