Diggs Traded

[chicagopurple]

VIkes have to eat over 9 million $ in salary for this
Vikes get less then 5 million in cap space
22nd choice in first round, but I expect Spielman to either chose another version of the "wrong QB" or some other position we dont need and continue to neglect the OL
Draft choices are all fine and dandy, IF you have a GM who knows how to build a winner.....Spielman is clueless so it will be a waste.

We just lost an elite receiver because we are committed to a mediocre QB being paid like he is a top tier QB with a ring.....Diggs was the smart one to bail out of this mess.

[halfgiz]

FFS. Another player to take off the website banner lmao

He didn't want to be on the team so don't force him. As long as you can get decent compensation and they did.

Agreed Cliff.
I would like to think with all them picks in a strong receiver class we will be able to pick up a receiver that will help our team.
Also, I look for the TE's to get used a little more this year if we get the offensive Line fixed.

[Pondering Her Percy]

The draft is a crapshoot so yeah, Vikings could draft a bust

That's true, but Diggs was a 5th round pick that we got several good and cheap years out of and he has now returned a first, fourth, fifth and sixth round pick.

And let's rewind this to the Harvin trade. Harvin was upset, being a diva and a problem, didnt think we would get a first out of him and we did from Seattle along with a 3rd and 7th. The first gave us Rhodes and the 3rd gave us Mckinnon. Guys were ticked when Harvin was traded but happy that we got good value. Very similar to this situation. And look what happened with Harvin. He was then traded to the Jets for a 4th round pick which turned into a 6th I believe. Then ends up getting released and his career fizzles out. We won that trade by a mile. I could see something very similar happening here. Diggs will not be happy with Josh Allen. Buffalo isnt far from me and I watch a lot of their games, Allen is not good.

[Dames]

We just lost an elite receiver because we are committed to a mediocre QB being paid like he is a top tier QB with a ring.....Diggs was the smart one to bail out of this mess.

I don't think it had anything to do with Cousins. Diggs wants to be "the man", and he couldn't do that with Thielen here. Cousins gave him the 2 best years for him stat-wise. If anything it had more to do with the scheme. This year Diggs, was awesome but his opportunities were down. The previous year he was targeted WAY more, but was still asking to be traded. I expect he is in for a rude awakening in Buffalo, but time will tell. Cousins is NOT mediocre, he's actually pretty good. He's not perfect, and he's not exciting, and I would rather have someone better, but he's not mediocre at all.

That said, I'm not happy at all that he was traded, but considering that he clearly wanted out, we did very well in the trade. We do have big hole to fill, since Diggs is extremely talented.

[PacificNorseWest]

That's true, but Diggs was a 5th round pick that we got several good and cheap years out of and he has now returned a first, fourth, fifth and sixth round pick.

And let's rewind this to the Harvin trade. Harvin was upset, being a diva and a problem, didnt think we would get a first out of him and we did from Seattle along with a 3rd and 7th. The first gave us Rhodes and the 3rd gave us Mckinnon. Guys were ticked when Harvin was traded but happy that we got good value. Very similar to this situation. And look what happened with Harvin. He was then traded to the Jets for a 4th round pick which turned into a 6th I believe. Then ends up getting released and his career fizzles out. We won that trade by a mile. I could see something very similar happening here. Diggs will not be happy with Josh Allen. Buffalo isnt far from me and I watch a lot of their games, Allen is not good.

You skipped the part where Seattle won the Super Bowl and Harvin scored a TD in that game, but I get it in regards to the return of picks.

[VikingPaul73]

I am a big Spielman critic but can't blame him too much here. Hate to see Diggs go, but he clearly wanted out and that can create big problems. He's an elite WR but given the circumstances, Spielman did pretty well with this.

the problem is we now have 3 gaping needs to fill in FA and the Draft (CB, OG, WR) with literally no one currently on the roster to fill needs. Not to mention major uncertainties with young unproven players at RDE, NT, 3-tech DT, CB#2.

We have 13 picks (including 2 1sts and 2 3rds) which is awesome but not much $$ to spend in FA.

Spielman needs to nail it this offseason.

[Maelstrom88]

Kirk Cousins is a top 10 QB. Diggs is maybe a top 10 WR. The hate Cousins gets is unreal. He gets market value for what he is.

Saying Spielman neglects the offensive line is laughable at this point. Reiff is paid well. Elf was a 3rd round pick. Bradbury a first. O' Neil a second. Kline was a priority pick up for them. Samia was a 4th. Udoh can develop. He has invested in it. I wouldn't be upset with another high pick thrown at it but to say it's neglected is a joke.

Also, he is one of the best GMs out there. He has built one of the most talented rosters in the league and hits consistently on later round picks. He has his misses but so does every other GM. The return he got for Diggs is outstanding. Diggs is a number two with the mindset of a number one. He has many games where he disappears. He drops passes and fumbles a lot and I didn't see Kirk chew him out for it on the sidelines afterwards. Kirk is an adult. Diggs is a baby. Good riddance.

My only critique on this regime is that they refuse to draft and develop competition for Kirk. I'd rather have a guy who could be something as a number 2 than a Mannion.

[VikingsVictorious]

I'd take Allen over Cousins right now. Younger, cheaper, more upside. Love his fire, his physical skills, the way he extends plays. He's young and still learning. We already know what Cousins is and where he'll lead the Vikings. When you think about it, Diggs might be going to the better team.

But look at his numbers in his first two years!!!!

Just as an FYI:

Cousins in his first 2 years:
1-3, 8 TDs 10 Ints, 68.8 passer rating, 56% completion percentage and 6.5 YPA

His first two years are all we have to go on. He may never get it.

[VikingsVictorious]

VIkes have to eat over 9 million $ in salary for this
Vikes get less then 5 million in cap space
22nd choice in first round, but I expect Spielman to either chose another version of the "wrong QB" or some other position we dont need and continue to neglect the OL
Draft choices are all fine and dandy, IF you have a GM who knows how to build a winner.....Spielman is clueless so it will be a waste.

We just lost an elite receiver because we are committed to a mediocre QB being paid like he is a top tier QB with a ring.....Diggs was the smart one to bail out of this mess.

Considering the value placed on Draft picks the Vikings made out like bandits on this deal. The problem is with the trade we have taken a step back for this season. Cousins is one of the best QBs in the league. Don't know how you can come up with mediocre.

[J. Kapp 11]

Late to the conversation.

You all knew this was coming.

Who was it who first proposed the idea, several months ago, that Diggs might be traded?

J. Kapp 11

Who was it who said, while not actually advocating for the trade, that the Vikings would get at least a first-rounder for Diggs if they tried to move him?

J. Kapp 11

And who was it who crucified J. Kapp 11 every time he mentioned it?

All of you.

Yes, this is the ultimate "I told you so" post. I told you Cousins would get extended, and I told you Diggs might well be traded.

The End.

[makila]

Saying Spielman neglects the offensive line is laughable at this point. Reiff is paid well. Elf was a 3rd round pick. Bradbury a first. O' Neil a second. Kline was a priority pick up for them. Samia was a 4th. Udoh can develop. He has invested in it. I wouldn't be upset with another high pick thrown at it but to say it's neglected is a joke.

We dont develop oline well. Havent for years. Our FA signings turn into meh here. Our oline play has to improve. Spielman is responsible for the roster and coaches developing them.

[VikingsVictorious]

Late to the conversation.

You all knew this was coming.

Who was it who first proposed the idea, several months ago, that Diggs might be traded?

J. Kapp 11

Who was it who said, while not actually advocating for the trade, that the Vikings would get at least a first-rounder for Diggs if they tried to move him?

J. Kapp 11

And who was it who crucified J. Kapp 11 every time he mentioned it?

All of you.

Yes, this is the ultimate "I told you so" post. I told you Cousins would get extended, and I told you Diggs might well be traded.

The End.

I expected Captain Kirk to get extended as well he should be. Top QBs like him don't grow on trees. I really doubted Diggs being traded and sorry if I crucified you for saying it. However, his assinine behavior kind of forced the Vikings hand and the return was above what I would have expected.

[Maelstrom88]

Saying Spielman neglects the offensive line is laughable at this point. Reiff is paid well. Elf was a 3rd round pick. Bradbury a first. O' Neil a second. Kline was a priority pick up for them. Samia was a 4th. Udoh can develop. He has invested in it. I wouldn't be upset with another high pick thrown at it but to say it's neglected is a joke.

We dont develop oline well. Havent for years. Our FA signings turn into meh here. Our oline play has to improve. Spielman is responsible for the roster and coaches developing them.

I agree they need to be developed better. It's hard to get a Munchak or Scarnecchia though. The blocking was better last year and hopefully they continue to improve it this off-season.

[cogitator]

I am a big Spielman critic but can't blame him too much here. Hate to see Diggs go, but he clearly wanted out and that can create big problems. He's an elite WR but given the circumstances, Spielman did pretty well with this.

Diggs acted up on the sidelines to the point that some of the other players had to calm him down if I remember right. Some people tend to just find reasons to be unhappy wherever they are, I think Diggs could be one of those (see Kevin Durant for a good example of this). We'll see if he starts to whine in Buffalo or this was specific to the Vikings. Diggs may have lucked out with Brady leaving New England, that probably opens up that division, unless NE lands a good free agent QB (Teddy?).

[J. Kapp 11]

Now that the trade is actually done, here's what the Vikings did.

They drafted a guy out of Maryland in the fifth round with the 146th point, developed him into a very good receiver who, however, never made the Pro Bowl or an All-Pro team ... and they traded him.

First question: How does the trade value work out?

The Bills receive Diggs, who was worth 33 draft position points in 2015, and the Vikings' 7th round pick, worth 3 points. Total draft value: 36 points.

The Vikings receive the Bills 1st round pick at No. 22, worth 780 points. They also receive the 2020 5th round pick (25.6 points) and 6th round pick (12 points), as well as the 2021 7th round pick. Top be conservative, we'll put that at the very end, worth 3 points. Total draft value: 820.6 points.

The difference is 784.6 points.

Obviously we have to account for Diggs' ability to produce right now. So let's put that in draft terms. 784.6 points puts us at the No. 21 position in the draft. So the question becomes, can the Vikings reproduce Diggs' production with the No. 21 pick. Even though this is a draft loaded with WR talent, I'd still say no. But it's not a slam-dunk no.

However, add the 21 and the 25 together, and you've got 1,504.6 points. That gets you to the No. 7 pick in the draft. Now ... can the Vikings replace Diggs' production with THAT pick? With the WR talent in this year's draft, the odds go way up.

I honestly don't know if this is a good trade or not. I would have preferred a team a little higher up the draft board as a trading partner. But it's not a terrible one.

And ... given our salary cap position, the best thing the Vikings could have done, if they were set on trading Diggs, was to add draft capital. They added 820.6 points, so they did that in spades.

Now we either need to hit on a rookie in one of the most talented WR classes in history, or go get a free agent. Emmanuel Sanders is available, or for a younger, more cost-effective option, perhaps Breshad Perriman fits the bill. But one way or another, we've got to replace Diggs' production. I actually like the idea of Perriman. He's got some size at 6-2, he runs a 4.35, and he averaged almost 18 yards per catch for Tampa last year. His stats are similar to Diggs, only with fewer targets and receptions. And maybe he won't be a malcontent.