I think it would actually be tougher to lose Rudolph than Griffen. It all has to do with who's behind them.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:36 amGood point Kapp and yes it would be some sort of extension. I just didnt get into the details of that because stuff like that is even harder to predict and takes a bunch of number crunching to figure everything out. I mentioned in the beginning that I didnt put salaries on here because of that. Even with FA's we signed. I just put the length of the deal. In order to get my ~$25 million in cap space, I went off of Spotrac and clicked manage roster. I dropped Griffen's and Rudolph's salary a few million. There is no option on there of extending them past 2019 unless I'm missing it. So I just knocked their salary down manually (in hopes of an extension). Good catch though I appreciate the input!J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:15 pm
PHP, work through something with me.
Griffen has a cap hit next year of $11.7 million, and his dead money is $1.2 million. Meanwhile, Rudolph counts $7.6 million against the cap with 0 dead money. You're suggesting we restructure both of them, and on the surface, it appears the Vikings hold the leverage, financially.
Here's the problem as I see it.
In order to get those guys to take less money for 2019, I think you're going to have to give them more guaranteed money over more years. In other words, you're going to have to extend them.
For example, if I were Rudolph, there's no way I would take half my salary in 2019 just because the Vikings want me to. His cap hit is $7.6 million. In my opinion, the most the Vikings are going to be able to cut off his 2019 salary, without cutting him outright, is $3 million. And IMO the only way that can happen would be to give him at least $9.2 million guaranteed over 2 years, an average salary of $4.6 million. I think he can demand that because he can get it pretty easily on the open market.
I think you might be able to cut $4 million off the books in 2019 with Griffen, but again only by extending him. With $11.7 million owed this year, it would take $15.4 million over 2 years in order to get the $4 million off the books this year. Again, he can demand this because he's a Pro Bowl defensive end who will have plenty of suitors if the Vikings don't play ball. Pass rushers are at a premium in the NFL.
So I guess I'm asking ... would you be willing to extend both of these guys to gain that $7 million in cap space? Because when you say "restructure," that's what I think you're really looking at. Guys aren't going to give up money out of the goodness of their hearts.
Or am I missing something?
David Morgan is a good blocker, but he's not a true receiving tight end. He makes catches every now and then, but it's always a surprise. Tyler Conklin is athletic, but so raw. He would have to take a big step forward if we lost Rudy.
On the other hand, we've got depth behind Griffen. Stephen Weatherly proved he's ready to play and make an impact. Griff had a bad year, yet we still had 50 sacks.
So I guess what I'm saying is that if you let Rudy walk, you've either got to draft an impact tight end or pick one up in free agency. That could throw your excellent mock out of whack.
If I had to choose, I'd rather extend Rudy at a lower cap figure and let Griffen walk. I'd rather keep both, but we'll see if Spielman can reduce the cap hits of both guys.