Yes, when hall of fame QB Brett Favre was here, in a completely different offense (basically with Favre himself calling the plays), with an AP in his prime, it worked. In 2015 with Norv and 2nd year QB Teddy Bridgewater, it didn’t. In 2017 with the Saints HOF QB Drew Brees it didn’t work. If AP didn’t hurt the passing game, I wonder why the Saints refused to play him? You keep deluding yourself on this though.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:56 pm
Oh so that's idiotic to say? When Adrian Peterson had his 2nd best season EVER when we had a legit quarterback here in 2009. So dont sit there and say he doesnt help the passing game. That's like saying Todd Gurley doesnt help the Rams passing game. And I'm sure you'll go down the "Well AP couldnt catch the ball" road. He didnt have the "greatest" hands in the world but the guy could still catch the football and was dangerous in open space. AP also had his BEST season ever receiving the ball in 2009 when we actually had a good QB here and it was by a significant amount. When you have a RB that dangerous, you load the box as a defense. In turn, that opens up more in the passing game because teams were so worried about Peterson. Teams ASKED Teddy Bridgewater to beat them with his arm. His numbers alone showed he couldnt really do that. Because when the running game failed, the team failed. When the running game was working, we won.
Here are the facts, when AP was held in check. When playing some of the best defenses in the NFL (because the lousy defenses struggled to stop him) Teddy was asked to throw more. In the 9 games where AP was held to under a 100 yards, against the better defenses the Vikings faced in 2015 (including the SB winning Denver Broncos defense), Teddy averaged twice as many TDs, 120 more yards per game and fewer ints. If that isn’t enough statistical evidence that AP hurt the passing game, I don’t know what more you need.
I am not going to sit here and pretend AP didn’t help the offense and the team in general win, but he hurt his QB. Plain and simple.
I disagree. Being tied down to a QB who’s contract hurts your ability to make the team better only works if that QB makes up for it by making the team better himself. He has not done that so far and so far, this team has not proven it is good enough to win against good teams with him at the helm. This is feeling more and more like Andy Dalton QB purgatory, and Cousins better play his butt off against Seattle this weekend.
This is what you dont get. It's better to be "locked into a bad QB for a year". No! It's not. Because if and when that idea fails, we are back to the drawing board and need to draft a rookie QB, which in turn, wastes yet another year. And then we are heading into 2020, where we have most big names signed until, sitting and "hoping" our 2nd year QB makes a jump because our SB window is a year or so away from possibly closing. Kirk Cousins had 3 years of consistent play. Kirk Cousins is a top 10-12 QB in this league. He isnt a "bad" QB and we can surround him with a ton of talent. That is way more of a sure thing than to just take a shot on a below average QB hoping he has a Keenum miracle year and can bring us to a SB somehow. This is the QUARTERBACK position man. Not weakside linebacker or offensive guard where you can just plug in a below average guy and hide him. You cant mob-job the QB position and expect to have success. And not just in one year. Year after year. It's near impossible.
You seem to struggle with the concept that completion percentage is a part of YPA and that a higher completion percentage and lower YPA means the QB is making less challenging throws. It isn’t a good thing guy.
Of course you leave out completion percentage lol. And Case did that in 15 games. Kirk has done that in 12 games. And again, Keenum rode that year on luck, literally. I've gone into detail multiple times regarding that but you seem to forget. Also, who gives a SH** what he did last year. What matter is right NOW.
I care what Keenum did last year, because like you elude too with your comment about the run game, it matters who is playing around the QB. I think Denver has solid WRs, but they are not nearly as good as what he had last year, and what Cousins has this year. Again, I don’t think Keenum is a good QB, which is why Cousins putting up worse numbers is so troubling.
I don’t believe Keenum had the opportunity to face a lot of prevent defenses in 2017, but I could be misremembering. I do know Cousins has what, 3-4 TDs now when the game was out of reach? Out of reach because he put us there. Oops sorry, because the Oline put us there. I guess those count, but I would prefer my QB throw TDs when they actually matter.Classic Cousins hater comment lol. His stats are because of "garbage time!!" You're a hater. We get it. You dont need to continue to stress that. But to support below average QBs makes zero sense.