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Re: New OC Thread

Post by halfgiz » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:08 pm

Mothman wrote:
mansquatch wrote:Why are you guys arguing about Shurmer, Turner, and Bevell?

Shurmer is HC of NYG: So we are not getting him.
Turner is the OC of CAR: So we are not getting him.
Bevell is interviewing with the Vikings: We might get him.

So who cares about Turner and Shurmer at this point?

For the record: I do not feel like Bevell is an exciting hire. In fact, I think he could be a detrimental hire. As I said previously, his track record in the NFL hasn't shown much individual greatness. Quite the opposite actually.
He's coordinated 3 top 10 offenses, has a Super Bowl ring as an OC, has coached as an OC in 3 conference championships and 2 Super Bowls, has had numerous top 5 rushing teams... all of that is the opposite of greatness? I understand the desire for something fresh and innovative and I'm not saying Bevell's a great offensive coordinator but his resume as an OC is actually quite impressive and it's both more extensive and more accomplished than McAdoo's.
What if they promote Stefanski from within and bring Bevell in as a play caller. His title could be anything.
Only time will tell...
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by 720pete » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:08 pm

If they hire Stefanski do you think that will indicate that they plan on sticking with Keenum?
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by halfgiz » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:50 pm

720pete wrote:If they hire Stefanski do you think that will indicate that they plan on sticking with Keenum?
I would think that either Teddy or Keenum could fit.


Sounds like Shurmur could be interested in Stefanski as OC if the Vikings pass him up for OC job.
Couldn't really blame him wanting to advance to a better position.

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Re: New OC Thread

Post by tzinc » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:25 pm

they need to hire someone who thinks outside the box
names mentioned have NOT DONE A LOT FOR SUPER OFFENSIVE FOOTBALL in the NFL!!
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:13 am

Mothman wrote:
mansquatch wrote:Why are you guys arguing about Shurmer, Turner, and Bevell?

Shurmer is HC of NYG: So we are not getting him.
Turner is the OC of CAR: So we are not getting him.
Bevell is interviewing with the Vikings: We might get him.

So who cares about Turner and Shurmer at this point?

For the record: I do not feel like Bevell is an exciting hire. In fact, I think he could be a detrimental hire. As I said previously, his track record in the NFL hasn't shown much individual greatness. Quite the opposite actually.
He's coordinated 3 top 10 offenses, has a Super Bowl ring as an OC, has coached as an OC in 3 conference championships and 2 Super Bowls, has had numerous top 5 rushing teams... all of that is the opposite of greatness? I understand the desire for something fresh and innovative and I'm not saying Bevell's a great offensive coordinator but his resume as an OC is actually quite impressive and it's both more extensive and more accomplished than McAdoo's.
Agreed 100%
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by J. Kapp 11 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:09 pm

Mothman wrote:
mansquatch wrote:Why are you guys arguing about Shurmer, Turner, and Bevell?

Shurmer is HC of NYG: So we are not getting him.
Turner is the OC of CAR: So we are not getting him.
Bevell is interviewing with the Vikings: We might get him.

So who cares about Turner and Shurmer at this point?

For the record: I do not feel like Bevell is an exciting hire. In fact, I think he could be a detrimental hire. As I said previously, his track record in the NFL hasn't shown much individual greatness. Quite the opposite actually.
He's coordinated 3 top 10 offenses, has a Super Bowl ring as an OC, has coached as an OC in 3 conference championships and 2 Super Bowls, has had numerous top 5 rushing teams... all of that is the opposite of greatness? I understand the desire for something fresh and innovative and I'm not saying Bevell's a great offensive coordinator but his resume as an OC is actually quite impressive and it's both more extensive and more accomplished than McAdoo's.
I agree with you Jim, especially the part about Bevell being more accomplished than McAdoo.

However, I can understand the angst with Bevell. Vikings fans automatically associate him with Brad Childress, which is a mark against him, albeit unfair. But even in that context, Bevell was the offensive coordinator in 2009, when we were second in the league in offense. Most of us believe they were a great offensive team in spite of Childress, which means Bevell may well have had some sort of positive impact.

The more I think about this, the less I take issue with Bevell. In fact, after working with a mobile quarterback in Russell Wilson for several years, it's very possible that Bevell could take advantage of Case Keenum's mobility.
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by PurpleMustReign » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:39 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote:
Mothman wrote:
mansquatch wrote:Why are you guys arguing about Shurmer, Turner, and Bevell?

Shurmer is HC of NYG: So we are not getting him.
Turner is the OC of CAR: So we are not getting him.
Bevell is interviewing with the Vikings: We might get him.

So who cares about Turner and Shurmer at this point?

For the record: I do not feel like Bevell is an exciting hire. In fact, I think he could be a detrimental hire. As I said previously, his track record in the NFL hasn't shown much individual greatness. Quite the opposite actually.
He's coordinated 3 top 10 offenses, has a Super Bowl ring as an OC, has coached as an OC in 3 conference championships and 2 Super Bowls, has had numerous top 5 rushing teams... all of that is the opposite of greatness? I understand the desire for something fresh and innovative and I'm not saying Bevell's a great offensive coordinator but his resume as an OC is actually quite impressive and it's both more extensive and more accomplished than McAdoo's.
I agree with you Jim, especially the part about Bevell being more accomplished than McAdoo.

However, I can understand the angst with Bevell. Vikings fans automatically associate him with Brad Childress, which is a mark against him, albeit unfair. But even in that context, Bevell was the offensive coordinator in 2009, when we were second in the league in offense. Most of us believe they were a great offensive team in spite of Childress, which means Bevell may well have had some sort of positive impact.

The more I think about this, the less I take issue with Bevell. In fact, after working with a mobile quarterback in Russell Wilson for several years, it's very possible that Bevell could take advantage of Case Keenum's mobility.
I agree, I am now at the point that I would be ok with Bevell, but only if we keep the right QB, which I would guess would be Keenum for his system.

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Re: New OC Thread

Post by mondry » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:45 pm

This is so frustrating, the lack of any talent available at OC at all right now when we need one. People are legitimately excited about Bevell. Why can't we ever catch a break. :(
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:45 pm

mondry wrote:This is so frustrating, the lack of any talent available at OC at all right now when we need one. People are legitimately excited about Bevell. Why can't we ever catch a break. :(
.....because Bevell has had top 11 offenses the past 3 years. No reason to be mad about that
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by Slick Rick » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:29 am

Bevell has been consistently good. Not only does he have the track record with Wilson, been coordinator during two SBs including one win, he also has the history with us before that. Let's not forget that Favre came back and had one of the best years of his career, and before that we won the North with Gus Frerotte and T-Jack as our primary QBs. Sure, he has had a lot to work with, but he'll have plenty here too and his success speaks for itself.
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:40 am

Slick Rick wrote:Bevell has been consistently good. Not only does he have the track record with Wilson, been coordinator during two SBs including one win, he also has the history with us before that. Let's not forget that Favre came back and had one of the best years of his career, and before that we won the North with Gus Frerotte and T-Jack as our primary QBs. Sure, he has had a lot to work with, but he'll have plenty here too and his success speaks for itself.
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by mansquatch » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:56 am

If Bevell is so great, why did SEA fire him?

I've said I felt that was due at least in part because Pete Carrol isn't going to fire himself, but I'm sure there is more to it than just that. There is no denying that SEA has been in steady decline in terms of it's offense since it's Superbowl winning days. You can say Bevell didn't get any help personnel wise and maybe there is something to that, but you also have to observe that they really failed to develop much of anything with what they did have. They also consistently missed in free agency. Is that all on the GM?

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Re: New OC Thread

Post by Mothman » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:06 am

mansquatch wrote:If Bevell is so great, why did SEA fire him? I've said I felt that was due at least in part because Pete Carrol isn't going to fire himself, but I'm sure there is more to it than just that.
There is but Carroll covering his a## is the most obvious reason. Supposedly, frustration with slow starts is another reason.

Coaches get fired. It doesn't necessarily mean they're bad coaches.
There is no denying that SEA has been in steady decline in terms of it's offense since it's Superbowl winning days. You can say Bevell didn't get any help personnel wise and maybe there is something to that, but you also have to observe that they really failed to develop much of anything with what they did have. They also consistently missed in free agency. Is that all on the GM?
No, but it's obviously not all on the offensive coordinator. Ignoring Bevell's overall body of work to focus solely on what he did after the roster began to decline seems an unfair way to evaluate him. I get that to many Vikings fans, anybody connected with Childress is considered poisonous and if had my choice of any NFL OC, Bevell would hardly the top the list but if I'm choosing between an experienced OC who won a Super Bowl calling plays and the likes of Kevin Stefanski, who's never run an offense or called plays, it's an easy decision. McAdoodle's resumé simply doesn't compare favorably and Haley's a nutjob. I'm certainly open to the team looking beyond that list and, in fact, I hope they do but at least in Bevell, they'd be getting a coordinator we know can be a part of a Super Bowl-winning staff.
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by mansquatch » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:22 pm

So why is it limited to those three? I think it is a mistake if the Vikings say "well these are the three guys, so let's choose the least bad." If that is the case, then they should either promote someone currently on the staff or broaden the search and try to find a the next big things vs. one of these re-treads.

As I said before, this roster is a huge opportunity. They should have the pick of the litter and they should act like it.
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by fiestavike » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:42 pm

What about Mike Mularky?
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