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How much do you trust Case Keenum in the playoffs?
100% - He has my full confidence 37%  37%  [ 18 ]
80-99% - He's been great but shaky recently. Moderately confident 29%  29%  [ 14 ]
50-79% - I'm a little worried but the rest of the team can compensate 22%  22%  [ 11 ]
0-49% - I'm extremely worried that he may be the direct cause of our elimination 12%  12%  [ 6 ]
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How confident are you?

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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
An article outlining some of my concerns

https://zonecoverage.com/2018/vikings/h ... ostseason/

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The issue is that Keenum very often will misdiagnose who is open — throwing to receivers well covered instead of open players — or misdiagnose who his first read should be. Very often, he will throw to a route designed to beat man coverage when the defense shows zone — even though the other side of the field has routes meant to beat that coverage. That’s the precise problem with his near-interception against the Bengals up above as well as the final Green Bay example.

There are a number of very good defenses in the NFC playoffs, and four of the Vikings’ five potential opponents are top eight in Football Outsiders’ defensive DVOA. These defenses are unlikely to make the kinds of mistakes that allow quarterbacks to get away with missing finite opportunities or turnover-worthy throws.

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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
My iiggest concern with him is more with play calling. I get that he has missed open receivers but on the other hand, he isn't careless with the ball. He is a better QB when he can select up in the pocket rather than to the side, unless it's a designed roll out.

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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
Arif Hasan is constantly putting down Case Keenum and Also Carson Wentz . He dislikes both QB's
Arif is a Teddy guy...
The thing I dislike about his articles is he is a Stat Whore. You can get stats to show anything you you want.
But that's just my opinion.

Case needs to play better, but hoping a healthy offense line will help him out.


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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
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Arif Hasan is constantly putting down Case Keenum and Also Carson Wentz . He dislikes both QB's
Arif is a Teddy guy...
The thing I dislike about his articles is he is a Stat Whore. You can get stats to show anything you you want.
But that's just my opinion.

Case needs to play better, but hoping a healthy offense line will help him out.


He doesn't hate Case Keenum (yes, he doesn't like Wentz and has acknowledged he had a good year before the ACL). He's said that many times. Evaluating a guy's play doesn't mean he hates them.

What in his article do you disagree with?

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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
halfgiz wrote:
Arif Hasan is constantly putting down Case Keenum and Also Carson Wentz . He dislikes both QB's
Arif is a Teddy guy...
The thing I dislike about his articles is he is a Stat Whore.


He certainly loves his stats. I've never cared for his approach to analysis.

Ahem... sorry, that's not really the subject of this thread.

I'm 100% confident in Keenum's ability to continue playing at the level he's played at thus far. In another words, yes, he may throw a near pick (or even a pick) but overall, I think he'll show good escapability, play smart, resourceful football and help direct a balanced offense that can sustain and finish drives. I don't think he's likely to carry the team to victory on his shoulders or cost them a game on his own. Honestly, I think the Vikes will live and die primarily on the performance of their defense and, to a lesser extent, their OL in the postseason. Their running game is as important to their offensive success as Keenum's passing (thus my comment about the OL) and they're built to win by sustaining long drives and playing stifling defense.


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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
Keenum has earned my confidence in him. Playoffs or not...If he has a bad game, it's not like I'm going to be saying, "man, they should've just started Teddy or Bradford." Obviously something like that would be strong on hindsight, but what have we seen that suggests Case can't be a serviceable, at the least, playoff quarterback? He's not perfect, but he might just be perfect for this team and this run, even if it's only for this season.


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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
As long as the offense doesn't put the defense in bad position I think they will have a great chance to win. Case hasn't done that very often this year. He just needs to play within himself.

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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
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halfgiz wrote:
Arif Hasan is constantly putting down Case Keenum and Also Carson Wentz . He dislikes both QB's
Arif is a Teddy guy...
The thing I dislike about his articles is he is a Stat Whore. You can get stats to show anything you you want.
But that's just my opinion.

Case needs to play better, but hoping a healthy offense line will help him out.


He doesn't hate Case Keenum (yes, he doesn't like Wentz and has acknowledged he had a good year before the ACL). He's said that many times. Evaluating a guy's play doesn't mean he hates them.

What in his article do you disagree with?


Go look at his tweets on Keenum, the other week his tweeter profile pic was Teddy.
Keenum got us to where we are now. We need to ride it out.

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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
halfgiz wrote:
dead_poet wrote:
halfgiz wrote:
Arif Hasan is constantly putting down Case Keenum and Also Carson Wentz . He dislikes both QB's
Arif is a Teddy guy...
The thing I dislike about his articles is he is a Stat Whore. You can get stats to show anything you you want.
But that's just my opinion.

Case needs to play better, but hoping a healthy offense line will help him out.


He doesn't hate Case Keenum (yes, he doesn't like Wentz and has acknowledged he had a good year before the ACL). He's said that many times. Evaluating a guy's play doesn't mean he hates them.

What in his article do you disagree with?


Keenum got us to where we are now. We need to ride it out.

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I'm not saying we make a switch at QB. I'm just nervous that our weakest link on offense might be QB. And that scares the dickens out of me.

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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
Im about 75% confident in Keenums skills and abilities as a quarterback, he has had some great games and a few duds that were covered up by the rest of the team. I am 100% confident in Keenums heart and determination to win!

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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
One of his talking points is YAC. So I posted this on another forum that discussed the same article.

Top 10 in YAC
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1   T. Gurley II     LAR   811
2   L. Bell          PIT   688
3   A. Kamara         NO   662
4   C. McCaffrey     Car   572
5   G. Tate          Det   555
6   D. Johnson Jr.   Cle   548
7   M. Ingram         NO   496
8   C. Thompson      Was   483
9   J. McKinnon      Min   476
10   A. Brown        PIT   471



So, 1,158 yards(26.7%) of Drew Brees 4,334 yards of passing goes to two players running after they caught the ball. Anyone have a story talking about Brees being a paper tiger? Or for that matter Ben Roethlisberger?

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This is Keenum's moment. He's gonna shock some people and be a very rich fella next year.

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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
I'm fully confident he can manage the game, which is all I think he needs to do. Especially with the O-line starters back (sans Easton). His deep ball needs work but he's phenomenal at escaping and improvising.


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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
For me, I don't really care how he did or what his stats were prior to being a Viking. My opinion is from what he's done with this team.

Case is a wizard at feeling pressure and extending plays. I love the way he's always looking downfield. I love his passion, his attitude, his humility.

The only knock I have against him is his ball placement on the deep ball. If Case can lead his receivers better and hit them in stride, this team would be almost unstoppable. If case does this along with hitting that wide open receiver, the Vikings would be unstoppable.

The other thing I noticed lately is I believe the coach staff is telling Case not to force anything. He's been a gunslinger this season but not so much in recent games. Instead, he's been more hesitant and has been holding on to the ball and throwing it away more. I guess I wouldn't blame Zimmer with how the defense and the punting team has been playing.

One more thing I noticed while rewatching the bears game was how many times the Bears tipped Keenum's pass at the line of scrimmage. I think I counted 4. Never noticed prior to this game

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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
Great thread.

I'm a little worried, after the last few weeks where the offense has struggled to push the ball downfield and convert on 3rd down passes.


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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
I am 100% confident in Case at this point. He's played well even as defenses adjusted specifically to him. He's kept the mistakes down and even shown better judgment on his throws in my opinion. A lot of the offensive struggles recently came because of an unusual number of dropped passes (like against the Panthers) or penalties (Packers and Bears) that had nothing to do with Case. He's shown he can escape pressure, make tough throws under duress, and run the offense whether they're ahead or trying to catch up.


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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
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For me, I don't really care how he did or what his stats were prior to being a Viking. My opinion is from what he's done with this team.

Case is a wizard at feeling pressure and extending plays. I love the way he's always looking downfield. I love his passion, his attitude, his humility.

The only knock I have against him is his ball placement on the deep ball. If Case can lead his receivers better and hit them in stride, this team would be almost unstoppable. If case does this along with hitting that wide open receiver, the Vikings would be unstoppable.

The other thing I noticed lately is I believe the coach staff is telling Case not to force anything. He's been a gunslinger this season but not so much in recent games. Instead, he's been more hesitant and has been holding on to the ball and throwing it away more. I guess I wouldn't blame Zimmer with how the defense and the punting team has been playing.

One more thing I noticed while rewatching the bears game was how many times the Bears tipped Keenum's pass at the line of scrimmage. I think I counted 4. Never noticed prior to this game


Yeah, but that isn't Keenum's fault as much as it was great anticipation on the part of a very good Bear front four. The Bear defense was no joke this year. They weren't dominant, but they played well and certainly showed that against the Vikings offense.

The way I see it, the offense has struggled mainly due to the following:

- Dropped passes
- Untimely penalties that put them into unfavorable down and distance situations
- Shuffling on the offensive line due to injuries

The offense does have to correct all of the above to be effective, but none of the above are Keenum's fault, and in many cases Keenum has mitigated each through his play. For example, against the Panthers he threw 2 catchable TD passes there were either ruled incomplete or dropped among several other good passes that were simply dropped. Against both the Packers and Bears, the offense kept going backwards due to holding calls and false starts, with many of the holding calls coming after positive plays.

It's just hard to fault Keenum. I feel like his overall play has improved as the season has worn on to be honest. I think earlier he wasn't sure if he was going to remain the starter once Bridgewater came back and he pressed a bit as a result. Now he knows he's the starter and he honestly seems more confident and comfortable. He still makes a few throws that might come back to haunt him, but for the most part he's been effective and efficient and, if the Vikings can clean up the mistakes on offense they've been making the last several weeks (most of which resulted in wins despite the mistakes), they could roll in the playoffs.


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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
Case does tend to float and underthrow deep passes. He also needs to go back to stepping up and under in the pocket when pressured instead of rolling out, which with the rolling out, he tends to come up short on passes because he doesn't have the arm strength to go deep when a receiver is already in his route and while he is on the run. The latter he already fixed once this season, but seems to be going back to the instant rollout on plays. It also depends on the type of pressure received, but there were a couple of occasions against Chicago where he should have stepped up instead of rolling to the side. He tends to do start doing that when he gets pressured frequently.


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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
I am confident in Keenum's ability to manage the game, what does worry me a little is if the Defense has an off day and we get behind early ,will he panic and try to make throws that he just can't. I do believe that he is a better QB just by getting away from Jeff Fischer, as is Goff.


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Keenum has earned my confidence in him. Playoffs or not...If he has a bad game, it's not like I'm going to be saying, "man, they should've just started Teddy or Bradford." Obviously something like that would be strong on hindsight, but what have we seen that suggests Case can't be a serviceable, at the least, playoff quarterback? He's not perfect, but he might just be perfect for this team and this run, even if it's only for this season.


Healthy bradford is head and shoulders above keenum. Problem is he's made out of glass.

As far as keenum goes he does worry me. Not that he's gonna make dumb throws, but the guy who wrote the article nailed something i've been seeing since early in the season. His diagnosing is suspect. And his deep ball in the last 5 weeks or so has been terrible. He is rarely on target deep as of late, its a bit concerning. He's badly underthrowing bombs in the games other than green bays, where he overthrew wide open thielen, treadwell and diggs, diggs throw being a bit more contested but an overthrow nonetheless. There was ZERO excuse on thielens.


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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
I'm not gonna say 'head and shoulders better,' because they offer different things. Bradford is the "sexier" of the two because of his measurables and he has the arm strength and the best deep ball accuracy in the game. There's absolutely no way, however, that he has the mobility to get away from the defense on some of the plays where Keenum has eluded pressure and a lot of those plays have been huge factors to the Vikings winning games. Bradford needs great protection to be great, Keenum can get by with just good protection and when protection breaks down, he still has a chance to make something happen.


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So, 1,158 yards(26.7%) of Drew Brees 4,334 yards of passing goes to two players running after they caught the ball. Anyone have a story talking about Brees being a paper tiger? Or for that matter Ben Roethlisberger?


They're not talking about them as paper tigers because they have the credentials and proven track record -- 277 career wins, 3 Super Bowls, 17 Pro Bowls, 8x league passing leaders, thrown for combined over 120,000 yards, 817 touchdowns an average completion percentage of 65.5% and are both probably going to be in the Hall of Fame.

Case Keenum entered the season with a sub-59% completion, 24-20 TD-INT ratio and 9-24 record.

Just five months ago we were thinking he was going to be beat out by Taylor Heinike and now we're talking about Case Keenum possibly leading us to a Super Bowl and earning a lucrative extension.

All I'm saying is there's reason to be nervous.

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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
What makes me more nervous is.. Zimmer believes once the Vikings gain a reasonable lead his offense can go conservative and then rely on defense to win the game.
I would just as soon keep the pedal to the medal.


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What makes me more nervous is.. Zimmer believes once the Vikings gain a reasonable lead his offense can go conservative and then rely on defense to win the game.
I would just as soon keep the pedal to the medal.

I agree with this. Love me some Zimmer. But I wish he'd stomp somebody.

On one hand, I get it. Get the lead and shorten the game. But man, it's scary sometimes. I'm watching the Bears drive inside the Vikings 5 with 5 minutes to play, only down 13, and I'm thinking we might actually be in trouble. It's going to bite Zimmer in the butt someday. I sincerely hope it's not during these playoffs.

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So, 1,158 yards(26.7%) of Drew Brees 4,334 yards of passing goes to two players running after they caught the ball. Anyone have a story talking about Brees being a paper tiger? Or for that matter Ben Roethlisberger?


They're not talking about them as paper tigers because they have the credentials and proven track record -- 277 career wins, 3 Super Bowls, 17 Pro Bowls, 8x league passing leaders, thrown for combined over 120,000 yards, 817 touchdowns an average completion percentage of 65.5% and are both probably going to be in the Hall of Fame.

Case Keenum entered the season with a sub-59% completion, 24-20 TD-INT ratio and 9-24 record.

Just five months ago we were thinking he was going to be beat out by Taylor Heinike and now we're talking about Case Keenum possibly leading us to a Super Bowl and earning a lucrative extension.

All I'm saying is there's reason to be nervous.

The point being, and most here might disagree, but most top QB live and die by the YAC. It's part of the game. The myth that the long ball wins just isn't true. Oh, the long ball may win a game or two, and it sure does come in handy. But the short underneath passes is what wins championships.

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What makes me more nervous is.. Zimmer believes once the Vikings gain a reasonable lead his offense can go conservative and then rely on defense to win the game.
I would just as soon keep the pedal to the medal.

I agree with this. Love me some Zimmer. But I wish he'd stomp somebody.

On one hand, I get it. Get the lead and shorten the game. But man, it's scary sometimes. I'm watching the Bears drive inside the Vikings 5 with 5 minutes to play, only down 13, and I'm thinking we might actually be in trouble. It's going to bite Zimmer in the butt someday. I sincerely hope it's not during these playoffs.
Me too. It almost hurt Tham against Detroit too, and that would have been a deviating game to lose.

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I think the key to Case's postseason is how well he can continue to elude pressure. To me, that and throwing on the run out of the pocket are his two biggest assets. He has never had, nor ever will have a beautiful deep ball. And, for the most part he really has taken good care of the ball this season. Overall, considering I watched him play week 3 in Pittsburgh; for as far as he has come he is the MVP in my view. With that said, I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't a little worried, but he has SO earned this opportunity that it is time to just see what happens. Our quarterback situation has always been and, with what I'm seeing will likely be a problem yet again next year so I'm just enjoying the ride. You never know how many first round bye's you'll get to see in your life.


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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
The two toughest defenses in the playoffs besides ours are Carolina and Philly. The Rams are probably an honorable mention. Of those three we've played two of them, one win at home, one loss on the road.

Keenum's stats:

Vs. Rams: 27-38 280yd 1TD 0INT 100.8 rating

Vs. Panthers: 27-44 280yd 2TD 2INT 75.9 rating

We obviously lost the game against CAR, but keep in mind one of those INT wasn't Keenum's fault and he lead us back to tying that game late in the 4Q. He was also sacked 6 times in that game, a game where we had 3 of our Starting OL miss time, including both tackles. That was also a game that was the third game in a row on the road, something that notoriously can result in a team laying an egg. The Viking did just that and still almost won the game.

As Kapp said in a different post, the odds of CAR recreating their performance in that game are low. IMO, if both teams revert to their respective means the Vikings come out ahead, way ahead.

As for the Rams, we torched them. They had no answer to our defense. They will have a game of experence to build on, but they will be playing in our house.

In both cases you have to like our chances.

Philly could be scary as we'd play them on the road, but you have to think that such a game would be one where it would be all about ball security since without Wentz we should be able to rely on our defense to shut their offense down. Score 16 points and win sort of thing.

IMO, the only way Keenum becomes an issue is if our Defense cannot hold up and we get behind, forcing him to win the game himself. That is where we would start to see cracks in his game. For that reason the NFC team that scares me the most is New Orleans since of all the teams in the post season they have what looks to be the most potent offense. Still that is hardly a pre-ordained event. We completely shut them down in week one and our defense has shown the ability to stop QBs. You have ot like our chances.

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Post Re: How confident are you in Case Keenum in the playoffs?
Keenum has played well but I definitely have concern. I think one part that stats don't always describe is ball placement. When you watch games there are plenty of times I've seen Thielen, Diggs, and Rudolph make some amazing catches to compensate for inaccuracies. The offense has been somewhat stagnant the past few weeks which I also think is cause for concern. In Green Bay obviously the weather played a factor but these last few games were against pretty poor teams and the offense still wasn't clicking completely. My concern is against some better teams in the playoffs that have better offenses and defenses we won't be able to count on constant three and outs from the incredible defense or the ability to score few points and grind out wins which seems to have been the formula this season. I'm really concerned if they are playing from behind. The recipe seems to have been suffocating defense, build a lead, and grind the game out while slowly tacking on to the lead.


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