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Zimmer Effect

Post by 84BreaksAnkles » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:50 am

Well, boys...

Mike Zimmer has done it..He has completed the unthinkable.
He took the worst Defense in the NFL (literally) from 2013...
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... fied=false
(32nd in scoring/ 31st in yards)

To the #1 defense in the NFL.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... fied=false
(1st in scoring/ 1st in yards)

I'm currently researching, but so far, this seems to be one of the most remarkable turnarounds in NFL history.
I don't think enough can be said of the job he has done...
We've played some of the NFL's top offenses this season (unlike Jacksonville).
Let's take a moment to realize, reflect, gawk, and admire- just how truly special this unit is.

My only gripe is Sendejo. I admire his toughness, and he does make some plays.. but this guy is literally just a torpedo who tattoos guys (including our own - see Xavier Rhodes 2016) and refuses to (or can't?) wrap up. But he does lay the wood. If only he could learn to wrap.. :govikes:
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Re: Zimmer Effect

Post by PurpleMustReign » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:05 am

I disagree on Sendejo. He has improved his game exponentially since he started and he plays really well with Smith. He's also not bad at covering and he's really good in run defense. There are better safeties, but he ci pigments Smith very well.

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Re: Zimmer Effect

Post by Maelstrom88 » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:32 am

I love watching Zimmer's defense. Very exciting with all the exotic pressure and press corners. I think Wayne's is more of a liability than Sendejo though. Hopefully he keeps improving but nevertheless I think they definitely have the best defensive unit in football at the moment. Here's to hoping defense wins championships holds up this year.
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Re: Zimmer Effect

Post by Boon » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:26 am

I honestly think sendejo is completely overrated by way too many people. Every once in a blue he makes a splash play but he misses way too many tackles and is constantly out of position
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Post by Husker Vike » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:46 am

I think Sendejo has improved immensely, Waynes plays the run well ,but needs to improve in coverage,Anthony Harris has played well when called upon.
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Post by John_Viveiros » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:24 pm

Whenever I watch other (non-Vikings) games, I always am shocked to see how many missed tackles and blown coverages there are. I watch games like today's Oakland-Philly game, and I'll always be initially surprised when the team I want to win (Oakland in this case) doesn't play like a Mike Zimmer defense, because I'm so accustomed to seeing great defensive fundamentals.
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Re: Zimmer Effect

Post by J. Kapp 11 » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:28 pm

Boon wrote:I honestly think sendejo is completely overrated by way too many people. Every once in a blue he makes a splash play but he misses way too many tackles and is constantly out of position
And I would tell you there isn't an analyst in football who would agree with you, especially the out of position part. Many of them go out of their way to praise him for his positioning and awareness.

Andrew Sendejo has improved his game immensely. He's not somebody who stands out the way Harry Smith does, but he's a guy the Vikings really miss when he's out.
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Re: Zimmer Effect

Post by 84BreaksAnkles » Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:36 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote:And I would tell you there isn't an analyst in football who would agree with you, especially the out of position part. Many of them go out of their way to praise him for his positioning and awareness.

Andrew Sendejo has improved his game immensely. He's not somebody who stands out the way Harry Smith does, but he's a guy the Vikings really miss when he's out.
False.

1) No analysts know who Sendejo is, let alone talk about him.

2) The problem with Sendejo isn't positioning. Its missing tackles and wrapping up. He has the most missed tackles on our team, and I have the GIFs to prove it.
More often than not, when you watch Sendejo tackle, his arms are down at his sides, and he plows into the guy at 20 mph with his shoulder. Effective at times, but when hes the first responder, guys usually bounce off of it.

3) I don't think we missed him that much when he was out. Anthony Harris won us a game with a FF.

I mean I mostly like Sendejo's game, I'm specifically referring to his tackling technique. Which is wily. Its fun watching him tattoo guys, but its a simple thing to wrap a guy up.
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Re: Zimmer Effect

Post by PurpleMustReign » Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:49 pm

Gifs to prove it, lol. That's a new one.

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Re: Zimmer Effect

Post by J. Kapp 11 » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:33 pm

84BreaksAnkles wrote: False.

1) No analysts know who Sendejo is, let alone talk about him.

2) The problem with Sendejo isn't positioning. Its missing tackles and wrapping up. He has the most missed tackles on our team, and I have the GIFs to prove it.
More often than not, when you watch Sendejo tackle, his arms are down at his sides, and he plows into the guy at 20 mph with his shoulder. Effective at times, but when hes the first responder, guys usually bounce off of it.

3) I don't think we missed him that much when he was out. Anthony Harris won us a game with a FF.

I mean I mostly like Sendejo's game, I'm specifically referring to his tackling technique. Which is wily. Its fun watching him tattoo guys, but its a simple thing to wrap a guy up.
You apparently don't watch much football analysis. Because you're dead wrong about the analysts. Almost every one who has spoken of Sendejo this year has liked his game, specifically his positioning.

Speaking of ... you actually said he's constantly out of position in your earlier post. It's OK to be wrong, but don't say you didn't say something you actually said.

And if missed tackles is a problem, why is he second on the team in tackles?

Andrew Sendejo being an issue on defense is news from, like, 2015.

I'm done arguing about this. You're pretty much on an island here. And by the way, your "GIFs to prove it" comment is ... never mind. Just, wow.
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Re: Zimmer Effect

Post by PurpleMustReign » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:07 pm

I will say this... As far as what we have now, I can't think of even a slight weakness jn this defense. Maybe backup Safety, but Harris is pretty good. Maybe DL depth? We could conceivably upgrade a position or two, but compared to where they were a few years ago, I'll roll with this defense for the next five years easy.

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Re: Zimmer Effect

Post by Raz » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:12 pm

Plus 1 finally can just draft best available player and for depth never know what you will get out of the late rounds . Hopefully coming from the 32 pick :govikes:
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Post by J. Kapp 11 » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:38 pm

PurpleMustReign wrote:I will say this... As far as what we have now, I can't think of even a slight weakness jn this defense. Maybe backup Safety, but Harris is pretty good. Maybe DL depth? We could conceivably upgrade a position or two, but compared to where they were a few years ago, I'll roll with this defense for the next five years easy.

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Honestly, even DL depth isn't bad. We're talking Robison, Stephen, Weatherly, Jaleel Johnson ... these are pretty good players.

I'm a little less sure of our linebacker depth. Brothers, Lamur and Wilson rarely play outside of special teams, and Gedeon is somewhat limited, especially in the passing game. But it's far from a concern.

I love our defense. I love our team.
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Re: Zimmer Effect

Post by 84BreaksAnkles » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:40 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote:You apparently don't watch much football analysis. Because you're dead wrong about the analysts. Almost every one who has spoken of Sendejo this year has liked his game, specifically his positioning.

Speaking of ... you actually said he's constantly out of position in your earlier post. It's OK to be wrong, but don't say you didn't say something you actually said.

And if missed tackles is a problem, why is he second on the team in tackles?

Andrew Sendejo being an issue on defense is news from, like, 2015.

I'm done arguing about this. You're pretty much on an island here. And by the way, your "GIFs to prove it" comment is ... never mind. Just, wow.
Your obviously just trying to pick a fight. Please show me the quote where I said ANYTHING critical of Sendejo's positioning.. you can't just make #### up and use it for the basis of your argument. I never once said anything about his positioning. Now it's clear you misread someone else's post and attributed it to me, but that's ok. Just don't be so strong in your convictions if they are false.

So the evidence you have presented, is that the "analysts" praise his positioning.. big whoop, hope you don't trust them for all your opinions.....
If you actually read my post you would realize that I only had one specific gripe about sendejo, like I stated, I actually like most of his game. But you are lacking in your reading comprehension skills. Also, I don't understand the eagerness to get in some argument about something that misses the point of my post.

And what is so wrong with having 20+ GIFs of him missing torpedo tackles to illustrate my point?
I think YOU are the wrong one on this one, Kapp.
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Re: Zimmer Effect

Post by dead_poet » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:45 pm

How about this:

Andrew Sendejo has grown as a safety.

Andrew Sendejo still has flaws in his game.

FWIW, that's my assessment. He's come a long ways but he still has a tendency to turn into the human missile with arms that like to flex more than wrap. I've also been pleased by Harris' play. He comes in and you really don't hear much from him (which is a good thing). I like Sendejo more in run defense, and Harris' pass defense, but they're close. To me that's a signal of excellent coaching.
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