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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by Purple Reign » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:28 pm

PacificNorseWest wrote:I, for one, love PHP's enthusiasm. He knows his #### too....subjective in response, but I see it objective in nature. Refreshing, really.
There is a fine line between enthusiasm and being repetitive. Plus he isn't very diplomatic when he disagrees with someone. Sorry, but he comes off like his opinion is the only one that should count and I don't find that very refreshing.
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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by PacificNorseWest » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:38 pm

I'm not going to defend the guy that hard, but people have a real a hard time separating being a fan and really understanding football. The latter of which PHP understands. He may not be eloquent in his points, but there are only a few of us that look and understand the game at a deeper level beyond just what a homer would see. Not implying any of this is you, but I've been around here just long enough to see some of the bs I make fun of Seahawk fans for. We all get in heated debates; it's fun -- at least, it is for me. I understand the repetitiveness because a lot of it never sinks in despite its validity. It's just that people hate when they can't equally validate their side of things. Just how it goes. *shrugs*
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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by PurpleMustReign » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:20 am

Purple Reign wrote: There is a fine line between enthusiasm and being repetitive. Plus he isn't very diplomatic when he disagrees with someone. Sorry, but he comes off like his opinion is the only one that should count and I don't find that very refreshing.
I agree with this. At times he gets excited. I would like to see him tone it down a bit because it sounds like he is flat out arguing, which I assume he isn't.

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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by Cliff » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:16 am

We're starting to discuss the individual rather than the content of his posts. Lets move away from that.
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Post by Pondering Her Percy » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:08 am

Purple Reign wrote: There is a fine line between enthusiasm and being repetitive. Plus he isn't very diplomatic when he disagrees with someone. Sorry, but he comes off like his opinion is the only one that should count and I don't find that very refreshing.
Like PNW said, I make sure there is validity behind what I say just about every time I post. I do understand the game and whats behind the game. I study and read on it like crazy. Not only do I know this team like the back of my hand but I am very familiar with all 31 others. There are a lot of guys on here that are the same way. Yes, I come across as a little more combative than others. I get that. That's just me, it's nothing personal. If I'm being repetitive then that's my fault. But at the same time, when someone comes on here and just says "Treadwell is a bust" but has nothing to back it with, then that's what I address. Listen, I'll be the first to admit, I've been proved wrong on here many of times over the years. I own up to it. I have no problem admitting it. But at least provide me some proof behind a comment like that.

I UNDERSTAND everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I GET it. But please back your opinion up with something. I mean someone said earlier "Treadwell is slow and cant run routes". I've heard crickets since I addressed it. A comment like that is just out of frustration, it has no validity behind it, no source, nothing.

This whole Treadwell thing, I laid it all on the line. I explained in detail why his situation is the way it is. I've pulled from just about every source I could over the past few years. Spielman talks him up, Zim talks him up, Hazell talks him up saying he's been "amazing". You cant find a bad thing on the guy. That tells me he's putting in the work. He's doing what he needs to in practice. But like I said in the other thread, name me a first round WR in the last 3 years that could currently play over Thielen or Diggs?? If you cant name one then what could Laquon Treadwell (with little opportunity) possibly do to surpass Thielen and Diggs given how they've played this year??? That is my point. If Laquon Treadwell turns into a starter and absolutely sucks, then I'll be the first to eat crow but nobody on here, literally not one person, can say he's gotten the opportunity and has failed. You literally CAN NOT say that and that's what I am trying to get fans to understand.

I dont hate anyones opinion, I dont think anyones opinion is dumb, we're all entitled to our own but if fans are going to throw the word "bust" around on here, just please try to understand what a bust is and provide some validity behind your posts. Take a close look at the busts of the NFL over the years. Just about every one of them has gotten plenty of opportunities. And every one of them has failed. Until Laquon Treadwell is given that opportunity to fail, then I dont know how anyone could say that with any kind of validity
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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by mansquatch » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:40 am

I wouldn't be surprised if Treadwell becomes Trade Bait at some point. He has made some decent plays this year when the ball has come his way, that catch on the slant on Sunday was a thing of beauty. But to PHP's point, Thielen and Diggs are just too good to not start.
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Post by Pondering Her Percy » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:10 am

mansquatch wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Treadwell becomes Trade Bait at some point. He has made some decent plays this year when the ball has come his way, that catch on the slant on Sunday was a thing of beauty. But to PHP's point, Thielen and Diggs are just too good to not start.
Yes I could see him as trade bait for sure. Unless Diggs or AT fizzle out which I dont really see. It will also depend on Diggs contract. If he takes one with us, LT is probably gone. If he doesnt, Diggs walks and LT stays. Dont forget about his one hander against GB too! Probably the catch of the year for the Vikes.
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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by 720pete » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:02 am

LMAO at Al Harris giving up. He couldn't believe anyone would catch that.

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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by DK Sweets » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:38 pm

I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but I have a theory that the defense is saving their best stuff for January. In years past, we saw more double A gap looks and we've seen less of those this year. I think that last year (much like Kansas City offensively this year) we blew our load in September. We were throwing everything we had at teams because we needed to if we wanted to win, and while we saw immediate returns, we were exposed down the stretch.

This year, I'm HOPING we're saving some plays we have a lot of faith in for our most desperate moments, and I'm hoping we'll see a spike like we saw in the first 5 games last year.

I will 100% admit to this being heavily influenced by wishful thinking, but I do think there is merit to the idea. It's hard for me to believe we went from a dominant defense to a merely good one by losing Captain Munnerlyn.
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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by mansquatch » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:53 pm

DK I like you're type of wishful thinking!

I wonder if some of it is how well the offense has played this year. There haven't been many games where they've things have been tight, which has allowed them to east off in the 4Q and just eat up clock playing Cover 2 shell. Just conjecture on my part.

More importantly the need to bounce back hard against CIN this week and then prepare to drub the Packers straight out of the playoff picture on the 23rd.
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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by 808vikingsfan » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:12 pm

Here's the NFC playoff scenario going into week 15

2017 Week 15 Comprehensive NFC Playoff Picture

This is the comprehensive playoff picture for the NFC for Week 15 (the AFC post will be up on Wednesday). It is a combination of clinching scenarios, elimination scenarios, the possible seeds each team could still get, as well as the seed that each team controls.

We finally had our first playoff berth clinched last week, with PHI clinching the NFC East division title. Things didn't go so well for the other teams. LAR needed 6 games to go their way in order to clinch a playoff berth, and exactly 0 went their way. MIN could have clinched with a win/tie or both DET loss/tie + GB loss/tie, but instead all 3 games went against them (MIN lost, DET won, GB won). Ignoring Strength of Victory scenarios, NO also had every possible game go against them.

This week, thanks to all of the other division leaders losing, PHI can clinch the 1 seed this week. MIN and LAR have another opportunity to clinch berths this week. After failing to clinch last week, NO does not have a clinching scenario this week. On the other hand, things are starting to look grim for all the teams that have fewer than 8 wins. We have elimination scenarios for DAL, DET, GB, and ARI.

Enjoy, and feel free to ask me any questions you have about this post or any other tiebreaker or scenario questions you might have! I will respond to every question (related to the post) as soon as I am able.

Reading this post:
For each team, the listing begins with team name followed by a list of numbers in square brackets. These numbers are the possible seeds the team could still obtain. If E is listed, then that means the team could still be eliminated from the playoffs as well. One of those numbers (or E) will have parentheses around it. That is the seed that the team "controls." The seed that a team controls is the worst seed the team could possibly get if they win out. They could end up with a better seed, but they can't end up with a worse one if they win out. If the parentheses are around the E, then that means the team could still miss the playoffs even if they win out. If an E is all that is left in the list, then that means the team is eliminated from the playoffs.

NFC North

MIN (10-3) [1, (2), 3, 4, 5, 6, E]:

MIN clinches the NFC North division title with:
- MIN win/tie OR
- DET loss/tie + GB loss/tie

MIN clinches a playoff berth with:
- SEA loss + ATL loss + CAR loss OR
- SEA loss + ATL loss + NO loss OR
- SEA loss + ATL tie + CAR loss + NO loss



DET (7-6) [2, 3, 4, 5, 6, (E)]:

DET is eliminated from NFC North title contention with:
- DET loss/tie OR
- MIN win/tie

DET is eliminated from the playoffs with:
- DET loss + CAR win/tie + ATL win



GB (7-6) [2, 3, 4, 5, 6, (E)]:

GB is eliminated from NFC North title contention with:
- GB loss/tie OR
- MIN win/tie

GB is eliminated from the playoffs with:
- GB loss + ATL win



CHI (4-9) [(E)]:
CHI is already eliminated from division title contention and the playoffs.
The rest of it here:

2017 Week 15 Comprehensive NFC Playoff Picture
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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by S197 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:52 pm

Dang I didn't know Philly can clinch the #1 seed this week. I assume the Vikings need to lose in that scenario?
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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by S197 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:03 pm

DK Sweets wrote:I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but I have a theory that the defense is saving their best stuff for January. In years past, we saw more double A gap looks and we've seen less of those this year. I think that last year (much like Kansas City offensively this year) we blew our load in September. We were throwing everything we had at teams because we needed to if we wanted to win, and while we saw immediate returns, we were exposed down the stretch.

This year, I'm HOPING we're saving some plays we have a lot of faith in for our most desperate moments, and I'm hoping we'll see a spike like we saw in the first 5 games last year.

I will 100% admit to this being heavily influenced by wishful thinking, but I do think there is merit to the idea. It's hard for me to believe we went from a dominant defense to a merely good one by losing Captain Munnerlyn.
It seems like the defense is playing within the system on 1st and 2nd down for the most part and gets a bit more exotic on 3rd down. They seem to be content rushing four, corner inside leverage, and single high safety. Obviously they don't run it on every down but they run it quite a bit. The two big rovers are Smith and Barr, simply because they're able to cover so much ground at their respective positions.

I think the defense got exposed a bit last year when it was clear that they weren't as good in base 43 defense as they were in nickel. This may be part of the reason why they're not blitzing as much this year as they're doing more to take away the middle of the field.

Also, we've seen 3 road games in a row and the home crowd noise really helps this D. Typically they can show a look (such as the double A) then check out of it once the protection is set. By then it's hard for the QB to reset due to the crowd noise. This is probably one of the biggest advantages of home field. I wouldn't be surprised if this Sunday the defense looks a lot more exotic.
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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by 808vikingsfan » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:49 pm

Kalil's hold on Netwon's run. Question, is Griffen supposed to read the play or is he assigned to Stewart?

Sendejo.

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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by Grashopa » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:30 pm

Crax wrote: You may be referencing a different run. When Stewart scored a TD on a 61 yard run, Sendejo went towards Cam to the opposite side of the field and was completely out of the play

Sendejo(#34) is last line of the defense right at the 50 and goes to his right towards Cam as stewart blows by him on his left side. Sendejo is nowhere close to making even an attempted tackle. Sendejo really bit on the play fake there and as the last guy, I do think he maybe should have stayed more center there, but don't know what his specific assignment is. Maybe he was supposed to really focus on shadowing cam
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