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Post by PurpleKoolaid » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:15 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: Since when did missing a 54 yard FG classify as missing a "chip shot"??
Did I say the 54 yard miss was a chip shot? No, the FG he misses are. And a good kicker can make a 54 yarder. We dont have a good kicker though. Stop putting words in peoples mouths and calling their post ignorant, or absurd. Its like personal attacks, yet you keep getting away with them.
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Post by soflavike » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:17 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: Again, Washington, Cleveland and Houston all have awful WRs outside of Hopkins. So again, who do those guys have to compete with?? Nobody. Who does Treadwell have? Thielen and Diggs. They are all drawing #1/#2 targets every game. Treadwell draws less than both our top WRs and obviously Rudy. So he's seeing around the 4th most targets of anyone. The guys above are all seeing top 2. HUGE difference
I think the point might be that a 1st round draft pick WR in his second year is a #3 or #4 choice to an undrafted player (Thielen), a 5th rounder (Diggs) and a 4th rounder (Wright). I call that a bust. A 1st round pick is supposed to make an impact.
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Post by halfgiz » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:25 pm

I think that the coaches like Treadwell's blocking. He is just having a tough time getting passes.
Thielen has 1100 yards
Diggs 700 yards
Rudy 500 yards
And Wright seems to be getting the niche as the tough yards, go to guy.
How many games has Keenum hit 9 different recievers?

I think on lesser team Treadwell could be a # 2 guy.
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Post by PacificNorseWest » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:36 pm

The first couple of games or so, what clearly stood out was the Vikings trying to get Treadwell the ball on those jumpball type throws or deep balls. I was disappointed in the results of those plays, but not because it was anything bad on Treadwell's part, but because it's something you won't see in the boxscore. He drew penalties and forced the issue...It didn't result in a catch, but it told me that some DB's have troubles being physical with Treadwell and he can exploit certain matchups. As said, he's a standout blocker...So far it's things that do not translate to the boxscore mainly, but I think that changes soon. He's the kind of guy that has a career game in ohh, saayyy, January.

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Post by John_Viveiros » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:19 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote:Good Morning Football, I mean. I really like that show normally (mostly because I'm in love with Kay Adams, but I digress). Knock on them today.
I like the show too. Kay is pretty, but I get too much of a "sister" vibe from her to find her attractive, although I'd hang out and watch football with her because she seems pretty fun. And Nate always has a soft spot for the Vikings.
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Post by John_Viveiros » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:21 pm

720pete wrote:Also, just an observation on Treadwell:

2016 NFL WR Draft picks 2017 stats
Pick # 15 Corey Coleman.......20-268-2
Pick # 21 Will Fuller.............20-352-7
Pick # 22 Josh Doctson.........27-388-5
Pick # 23 Laquon Treadwell...17-184-0
Yikes. I mean, the numbers aren't bad for #3 receivers. But you don't draft #3 guys in the middle of round 1. Well, in the past it seemed to take most receivers three years to "get it", so we'll see how it looks after the 2018 season, I guess.
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Post by John_Viveiros » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:28 pm

S197 wrote:I mentioned this in the game thread but it should be repeated. The last time a team won 3 consecutive road games against .500+ teams was in the 1960's. It was a tough stretch and the Vikings didn't come out that badly. It does suck when a team beats themselves but absent long-term injuries, I think we'll be okay. Honestly, rest Reiff and Elflein as long as needed so they're good to go for the playoffs. We should be able to beat Cin, GB, and Chi down a guy or two.
I liked the way Daily Norseman put it, in their Stock Market Report (https://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/12/1 ... ket-report):
Sell: Winning back to back to back road games against .500 or better teams. I was watching the NFL Network pregame show this morning, and they mentioned that the last time a team won all three back to back to back road games against teams above .500 (excluding playoffs), it was the Oakland Raiders. In 1967. Winning in the NFL is tough. Winning games against good teams is tougher. Winning them on their field is even more difficult still, and even with today’s loss, the Vikings are still 5-2 on the road with one road trip left to Green Bay in two weeks.
And when you think of it, we really were pretty close - tied at the two minute warning.
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Post by J. Kapp 11 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:56 pm

John_Viveiros wrote: I like the show too. Kay is pretty, but I get too much of a "sister" vibe from her to find her attractive, although I'd hang out and watch football with her because she seems pretty fun. And Nate always has a soft spot for the Vikings.
Different strokes for ... oh wait, that sounded kinda bad, given the context.

Her eyes make me melt.

I like the cast in general, though. I guess for one, they're all pretty much bullish on the Vikings. That always helps. And I hate to admit it, but Nate Burleson is pretty fly on TV. True style, well-spoken, knowledgeable, good-lookin' dude. He's solid, which is, I'm guessing, why they bumped him up to the studio show on NBC for Sunday Nights. The others are good, too. I'd much rather watch GMF than that blowhard Deion Sanders.
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Post by PacificNorseWest » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:10 pm

GMFB the best morning sports show out right now...too bad I rarely get to watch it though.
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Post by Pondering Her Percy » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:12 pm

soflavike wrote:[

I think the point might be that a 1st round draft pick WR in his second year is a #3 or #4 choice to an undrafted player (Thielen), a 5th rounder (Diggs) and a 4th rounder (Wright). I call that a bust. A 1st round pick is supposed to make an impact.
So that’s people basing it off of draft pedigree which is the wrong way to go by it IMO. Thielen is one of the best WRs in the nfl. Diggs is very good. If they’re that good, who cares when they were drafted. Bottom line is, they’re the best WR tandem in the league and were able to come on when given opportunity. Diggs in 2015 and AT in 2016. No less they didn’t have much competition in front of them when they did it.

Yeah Diggs is a 5th rounder. When he got here, who did he have to compete with?? Mike Wallace (who was awful here)? Charles Johnson?? Patterson?? There was next to no competition.

What about Thielen last year?? Diggs was set. A rookie in Treadwell? Wright? Patterson? Not much competition either for AT.

He didn’t have much of a shot when Diggs and Thielen in the fold. That doesn’t warrant a bust
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Post by 808vikingsfan » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:30 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote: Different strokes for ... oh wait, that sounded kinda bad, given the context.

Her eyes make me melt.

I like the cast in general, though. I guess for one, they're all pretty much bullish on the Vikings. That always helps. And I hate to admit it, but Nate Burleson is pretty fly on TV. True style, well-spoken, knowledgeable, good-lookin' dude. He's solid, which is, I'm guessing, why they bumped him up to the studio show on NBC for Sunday Nights. The others are good, too. I'd much rather watch GMF than that blowhard Deion Sanders.
Love the promo

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Post by Purple Reign » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:09 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote:
You get way too worked up over someone's opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including you, but you go way overboard defending your opinion and trying to invalidate theirs. Chill out - not worth getting all worked up over.
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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:41 pm

Purple Reign wrote: You get way too worked up over someone's opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including you, but you go way overboard defending your opinion and trying to invalidate theirs. Chill out - not worth getting all worked up over.
Not worked up nor am I going overboard. I just simply put things into perspective with my last post.

Some fans don’t look at it that way. They just think “1st round pick, low numbers....bust”. That’s not a bust. Period. Look at the busts of this league over the years. Given opportunities and failed. He’s yet to get those opportunities nor has he dropped balls or failed to get open. There are at least a couple games where he was literally wide open and wasn’t thrown to.

Ryan Leaf is a bust. Jamarcus Russell is a bust. Ponder is a bust. Williamson is a bust. Laquon Treadwell is not a bust until he is given the opportunity to be one. And my guess is when he’s given that opportunity, he’ll show he’s not. The kid has talent. He was the best WR in college football for a reason. Torched Bama for a reason. Nobody can sit here and say he can’t run routes like we did with Patterson. Nobody can say he has bad hands. Nobody can say he can’t create separation. Nobody can question his work ethic given he’s the last one off the practice field every day. Nobody can say he’s been given plenty of opportunity. Etc. Until we can say those things he’s not a bust IMO.

Ponder started. Ponder had plenty of opportunity (more than he should have), Ponder often played badly. Ponder had a weak arm. Ponder didn’t have much pocket awareness. Ponder couldn’t go through reads. THATS A BUST.

Troy Williamson started. Williamson had plenty of opportunity. Williamson caught under 50% of the balls thrown to him. Williamson had HORRIBLE hands. Williamson was very weak and was bullied by DBs. Williamson was a poor interior route runner. Williamson was a soft WR. THATS A BUST.

See the difference? I sure do. Nobody has to believe it but I’ve laid it all on the line. If you don’t see the difference between Treadwell and a bust and what it actually is, then I don’t know what else to tell you. Simple as that. Think what you want. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but please know and understand what a bust is before throwing it all over the board that’s all. The same has been said for Waynes. Go look at CB busts. They sure weren’t performing the way Waynes is. Much much worse.

The word bust is like the word elite. It’s often overused and many don’t understand what either mean. It’s happened way too often on here
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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by PacificNorseWest » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:15 pm

I, for one, love PHP's enthusiasm. He knows his #### too....subjective in response, but I see it objective in nature. Refreshing, really.
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Re: Week 14 Reaction Thread

Post by Purple Reign » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:24 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote:
You just proved my point, if that's not going overboard you don't understand the word. You have made your point numerous times but you keep repeating it and keep telling us that we don't know what a bust is. It's just a personal opinion and your opinion isn't any more valid than anyone else's, so please, give it a rest - we know what your opinion is.
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