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And Jim, when someone mentions Randy Moss?PsyDanny wrote:
Isn't that the sound that Bill the Cat makes?
Because we've watched more than one game?Pondering Her Percy wrote: ughhh this is just laughable. Some people just really have zero clue what a bust actually is. Adam Thielen drops two touchdowns today, very quiet about that, but Treadwell drops a 5 yard slant on 3rd and 16 and he's a bust
And your point? What classifies him as a bust? Has he been given the opportunities? No. Since he’s gotten here he’s been buried on the depth chart DUE to two studs being in front of him. Not because of lack of skill, route running, speed, etc. Its obvious. But since he isn’t putting up first round pick numbers, some fans label him a bust.soflavike wrote: Because we've watched more than one game?
I think from 1st round pick expectations one could say he has been a bust so far. Really, only 1 reception last year? And not that many this year. You make the excuse he hasn't gotten the opportunities, well maybe because he hasn't shown that he is better than the players in front of him. But when a player is drafted 1st round (especially a running back or wide receiver) people expect them to contribute pretty much right away and it's been almost 2 years now. We just haven't seen any 1st round pick worthy play out of him yet. So at this point, from a 1st round pick prospective, I would say he has been a bust so far. Doesn't mean he has been a total bust, just not up to or even close to expectations.Pondering Her Percy wrote:
ughhh this is just laughable. Some people just really have zero clue what a bust actually is. Adam Thielen drops two touchdowns today, very quiet about that, but Treadwell drops a 5 yard slant on 3rd and 16 and he's a bust
Yeah, more than likely just from frustration. But they are 2 totally different situations. One where the player has control of the ball before crossing the goal line and the other where he hasn't gotten control of the ball yet (according to the rule).Knoxx wrote:I think DeadPoet is just complaining about the differences in the two rules in frustration. I knew the refs got the call right and even said so at the time but a knee down is a knee down.
Yes, I was just frustrated with what appears to be a bit of a contradiction.Purple Reign wrote: Yeah, more than likely just from frustration. But they are 2 totally different situations. One where the player has control of the ball before crossing the goal line and the other where he hasn't gotten control of the ball yet (according to the rule).
What gets me about the Thielen non-catch is pretty basic ... any monkey could see that he caught the ball. But the rules say otherwise.dead_poet wrote: Yes, I was just frustrated with what appears to be a bit of a contradiction.
Ok but that is what I’m saying, do you realize how ridiculously well Treadwell would need to perform in order to pass Diggs or AT??? He’d literally have to play out of his mind. But how is he suppose to do that getting somewhere around the 4th most targets each week??? It’s not realistic when those two are on the field. Plus Rudy. Laquon is at least a number two on most teams but this team has two stud WRs and a stud TE. You can’t perform a whole lot when you’re getting two targets a game because of who’s in front of you. That’s what many fans don’t see.Purple Reign wrote:
I think from 1st round pick expectations one could say he has been a bust so far. Really, only 1 reception last year? And not that many this year. You make the excuse he hasn't gotten the opportunities, well maybe because he hasn't shown that he is better than the players in front of him. But when a player is drafted 1st round (especially a running back or wide receiver) people expect them to contribute pretty much right away and it's been almost 2 years now. We just haven't seen any 1st round pick worthy play out of him yet. So at this point, from a 1st round pick prospective, I would say he has been a bust so far. Doesn't mean he has been a total bust, just not up to or even close to expectations.
I didn't call him a total bust, I qualified by saying compared to 1st round pick expectations IMO he is a bust so far. You earn game time by proving yourself in practice. He was a 1st round pick for a reason and he hasn't shown any reason why he should have been a #1 pick yet (again IMO). Quit making excuses for him.Pondering Her Percy wrote: Ok but that is what I’m saying, do you realize how ridiculously well Treadwell would need to perform in order to pass Diggs or AT??? He’d literally have to play out of his mind. But how is he suppose to do that getting somewhere around the 4th most targets each week??? It’s not realistic when those two are on the field. Plus Rudy. Laquon is at least a number two on most teams but this team has two stud WRs and a stud TE. You can’t perform a whole lot when you’re getting two targets a game because of who’s in front of you. That’s what many fans don’t see.
A BUST is a player who gets plenty of opportunities at starting and either doesn’t perform or plays really bad (Ponder, Williamson, etc) He’s gotten/done neither of those. That’s why he doesn’t classify as a bust IMO. You just can’t give him that label. It’s not realistic given what has happened since he got here
They arent excuses. Name me a first round WR in the last 3 years that could come in right now and play over Thielen and Diggs.....Purple Reign wrote: I didn't call him a total bust, I qualified by saying compared to 1st round pick expectations IMO he is a bust so far. You earn game time by proving yourself in practice. He was a 1st round pick for a reason and he hasn't shown any reason why he should have been a #1 pick yet (again IMO). Quit making excuses for him.
PR, your argument is sound. The fact that he hasn't lived up to expectations is obvious to most fans. It's really laughable that some fans cant see that. PHP, your argument here is sooooo weak its laughable. He hasnt really shown much at all to even justify his #3 role, probably why his snap count has been on the downhill slide since week 7.Purple Reign wrote: I didn't call him a total bust, I qualified by saying compared to 1st round pick expectations IMO he is a bust so far. You earn game time by proving yourself in practice. He was a 1st round pick for a reason and he hasn't shown any reason why he should have been a #1 pick yet (again IMO). Quit making excuses for him.
Think what you want dude. Pretty hard to "live up to expectations" when you have two of the better WRs in the NFL in front of you. I actually look into the details of WHY and HOW. Opposite of what you're doing. By what you said above, you dont care or take into consideration what went on in front of him when he got here his rookie year. Thats what laughable. You just think "well he's a first round pick so he should've automatically made an impact". Not how it works.Alaskan wrote:
PR, your argument is sound. The fact that he hasn't lived up to expectations is obvious to most fans. It's really laughable that some fans cant see that. PHP, your argument here is sooooo weak its laughable. He hasnt really shown much at all to even justify his #3 role, probably why his snap count has been on the downhill slide since week 7.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... counts.htmPondering Her Percy wrote: Think what you want dude. Pretty hard to "live up to expectations" when you have two of the better WRs in the NFL in front of you. I actually look into the details of WHY and HOW. Opposite of what you're doing. By what you said above, you dont care or take into consideration what went on in front of him when he got here his rookie year. Thats what laughable. You just think "well he's a first round pick so he should've automatically made an impact". Not how it works.
Again, and please....answer this question. What does Laquon Treadwell currently have to do to surpass either Thielen or Diggs?? Do you understand what level of performance he would need? Better yet, like I said before, name me one first round WR in the last 3 YEARS that would currently start over Thielen or Diggs given their recent play?? They must all be busts too?? I'll wait...... since my argument is "so weak."
But like I have said in my last post.....here is a fan that is coming out saying Treadwell is a bust.....but provided zero backing behind it. Other than his snap count dipping after week 7.....OBVIOUSLY...Diggs came back week 8.
Where did he get all these golden opportunities that Diggs and AT got because they sure didnt have two studs in front of them?? When he is out there is he playing "poorly"? Is he dropping balls?? Is he not getting separation?? Is he not being physical enough?? I just answered all those questions in another thread.
Troy Williamson was a bust. So he must be comparable to Laquon Treadwell right?? Because if Treadwell falls into the bust category for you, obviously Williamson does. So I guess they are comparable?? Please, enlighten me